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UserZer00 #1 Posted 11 September 2018 - 10:51 PM

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I have once again seen from my recent attempts at playing tier VII and above that use of premium ammo, at least with the current maps, is required in order to being a contributing member of the team. As the use of premium ammo offends my Scottish sensibilities, this means that I really have no place at these tiers as I am not able to help as much as I should be able.

 

This is not a rant about over armored vehicles, premium ammo, etc.  (although after an evening of bouncing "green" shot after "green" shot off the sides of higher tier vehicles I am sorely tempted). It is instead an attempt to use the collective knowledge of the forum to try and choose a tier or tiers which are least impacted by premium ammo use.

 

How premium ammo has or doesn't have a place in this game has already been discussed to death in other posts and this isn't meant to be a repeat of all those discussions.  It's really meant to focus on which tiers are least impacted by it.

 

Based on the responses received I will probably try to limit my gameplay to the identified tiers and stick to playing the higher tiers only at Christmas times or during other events.  This is of course until WG realises that the current ability to go into a match with a full premium load out (costing 800x (yes, that's an exaggeration) the cost of a normal ammo load out) is not beneficial to the overall game balance.

 

 



SevernaSnaga #2 Posted 11 September 2018 - 11:21 PM

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See what tanks have good standard pen and use them.

I like my VK 30.01 P since i carry only 2 APCR in case of OI/O Ni/O Ho



signal11th #3 Posted 11 September 2018 - 11:23 PM

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these days? probably warthunder

PervyPastryPuffer #4 Posted 11 September 2018 - 11:29 PM

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Tier 6, Sherman Jumbo, 105mm derp, stock turret with 152mm armor all-round.

 

Impenetrable, unstoppable, oneshotter.

 

Best tank to have fun in the game.



OreH75 #5 Posted 11 September 2018 - 11:33 PM

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Coldspell #6 Posted 11 September 2018 - 11:42 PM

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The tanks I play with 0-5 premium rounds, there are a lot of prem tanks on the list but that is because I play a metric ton of prem tanks (more then standard tanks atm).

Also I don't think firing premium rounds is tied that much to tier, there are plenty of armour monsters low tiers face that can require prem... TBH I think tier for tier most of the best armoured beasts in the game are sub tier 8 despite all the complaints about tier 8-10 tanks armour.

 

Leopard 1 (None)

WZ-120-1G FT (5 rounds)

Type 62 (5 rounds)

Type 64 (5 rounds)

AMX 13 57GF (Used to run it full premium before LT changes now I run it with no prem shells)

P Victoria (None)

Mutz (None)
Lorr (None)

Sta2 (5 rounds)

Obj 416 (None)

T26E4 (None)

Thunderbolt (None)

IS2 Berlin (5 rounds)

Jagtig 8,8 (None)

Edit: Although I haven't taken it out in awhile I carry 5 prem rounds on my E25.

 

 


Edited by Coldspell, 11 September 2018 - 11:44 PM.


clixor #7 Posted 11 September 2018 - 11:54 PM

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I have no issues with shooting da goldz. But i think i only shot one or 2 clips of gold EVER in my lorraine. It has excellent base pen and you are not really playing it right if you are trying to pen superheavies from the front anywayz.

snowlywhite #8 Posted 12 September 2018 - 12:44 AM

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tier 9 probably as long as you avoid the ones designed to eat your(most probably irl) money... T-54 and such. Only 1 tier above, no horrid tier 10 MM, no horrid tier 8 MM, can break even with standard acct(as long as you don't want to run food/large kits).

 

ok, you'll need a few for the superheavies, but that's it.

 

or if you have some God knows what principle against premium ammo in general, pick a td. Most have more than enough pen as long as you bother to aim properly. Avoid the assault ones(obviously), because those have to be played "in your face" if you don't want to handicap your team. And playing front on obviously might require more premium ammo even with good pen.

 

p.s. - you want base pen + gun handling. For instance, a-44 has an ok pen for it's tier but I still run it more or less gold only. "Aiming" in that tank being some kind of lottery. So if I happen to hit I really want to pen too because I don't know when that miracle will happen again.


Edited by snowlywhite, 12 September 2018 - 01:07 AM.


catatpillar #9 Posted 12 September 2018 - 01:46 AM

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TDs usually got higher standard pen for its tier..

Derp guns requiring only HE shells... Make the math.

But in general lower tiers got lowered armor values. Tier 5+ is where the armour comes in handy.



Grimmx #10 Posted 12 September 2018 - 06:34 AM

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The “ meta” is moving towards armor and lower pen guns unfortunately.
WG wants to sell premium tanks.

And we are supposed to spam premium ammo.

I suspect even older tanks with good pen and good guns on “paper”, has been rng nerfed with this in mind.

 


Edited by Grimmx, 12 September 2018 - 06:37 AM.


Tiddy #11 Posted 12 September 2018 - 08:25 AM

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If it's about shooting yourself I doubt that there is a tier that really has an advantage. But I guess any tier below 5 or so should do. Every tier has tanks that have pretty good armor.

If you don't mind missing a turret go for the swedish trank destroyers. Although I am having real trouble with their tier9. Somehow the shells don't want to fly where I want them to. D:

 

If it's about getting shot with gold I don't think there is any tier that's safe for you. :/



Geno1isme #12 Posted 12 September 2018 - 08:37 AM

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There is no specific tier, it depends on the individual tanks. Even at T4 many tanks will have a hard time penning a KV-1 or even a Matilda with regular AP. And on the other side a Matilda or most TDs can pen basically every tank they encounter without trouble. And in tiers 4-6 you of course always have the derp options.

250swb #13 Posted 12 September 2018 - 08:48 AM

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As others have said it depends more on the tank and how it is played than the tier. There are quite a few high tier tanks that only need AP or HE, but off the top of my head if there is one tank that doesn't need anything other than AP it is the Charioteer.

razer01 #14 Posted 12 September 2018 - 08:57 AM

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Tier 0 xD

Simeon85 #15 Posted 12 September 2018 - 09:06 AM

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More tanks, find tanks with good high standard pen, that are decent and flexible. 

 

So basically reasonably mobile heavies or meds with good standard pen or TDs if that is your thing. 

 

For example lots of premium ammo is spammed on tier 10 but I'd reckon you could still do perfectly well in something like a 277 because it has 265 AP standard pen, has some armour and is mobile.

 

Panther on tier 7 has lots of standard pen, as does T29, as does Tiger 1, generally enough to challenge tier 8s. 

 

Firefly is another one, 171 standard pen on a tier 6 med. 

 

If you ignore HESH, the Cent 7/1 basically has no premium ammo, it has 268 pen APCR and you can still do well in it from my experience (though HESH is fun when it works)

 

Of course there are multiple TDs as well that have more than enough pen to never really need premium ammo, like the Swedish TDs, the tier 8 has near 290 base pen and both the tier 9 and 10 have over 300 standard. 

 

Not using premium ammo though is just stupid, using some in the correct situations is more than affordable in most tanks and you are just unnecessarily handicapping yourself. 


Edited by Simeon85, 12 September 2018 - 09:07 AM.


Wintermute_1 #16 Posted 12 September 2018 - 09:07 AM

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My Tier 6, KV2, never shot a premium round in its life.

Dava_117 #17 Posted 12 September 2018 - 10:08 AM

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View PostUserZer00, on 11 September 2018 - 10:51 PM, said:

I have once again seen from my recent attempts at playing tier VII and above that use of premium ammo, at least with the current maps, is required in order to being a contributing member of the team. As the use of premium ammo offends my Scottish sensibilities, this means that I really have no place at these tiers as I am not able to help as much as I should be able.

 

This is not a rant about over armored vehicles, premium ammo, etc.  (although after an evening of bouncing "green" shot after "green" shot off the sides of higher tier vehicles I am sorely tempted). It is instead an attempt to use the collective knowledge of the forum to try and choose a tier or tiers which are least impacted by premium ammo use.

 

How premium ammo has or doesn't have a place in this game has already been discussed to death in other posts and this isn't meant to be a repeat of all those discussions.  It's really meant to focus on which tiers are least impacted by it.

 

Based on the responses received I will probably try to limit my gameplay to the identified tiers and stick to playing the higher tiers only at Christmas times or during other events.  This is of course until WG realises that the current ability to go into a match with a full premium load out (costing 800x (yes, that's an exaggeration) the cost of a normal ammo load out) is not beneficial to the overall game balance.

 

 

 

All depends on how good you are on a tank. I 3MoE my T-150 without a single APCR shot and perform well enought in it, KV-4 and ST-I to mostly rely on AP (use HEAT and APCR only against Maus and Type5). 

I need more APCR on Tiger2, because armour don't hold up enought to allow for fine aiming.

 

If you don't want to use premium ammo, you need a tank with really high pen (mainly TDs) or with a good combo of armour and pen or gunhandling and pen. So it's more a veicle limit more than tier limit.



LordMuffin #18 Posted 12 September 2018 - 10:15 AM

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Kv-2, Japan heavies up to T8, T5 derps or T1-3.

Panther and Tiger H works aswell.

Swedish TDs aswell (T8-T10)


Edited by LordMuffin, 12 September 2018 - 10:16 AM.


Hamsterkicker #19 Posted 12 September 2018 - 10:17 AM

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Basically I only carry premium ammo in the tanks I need for clan wars or in Tier X advances. If AP doesn't work I rather play with HE instead.

JCD3nton #20 Posted 12 September 2018 - 10:36 AM

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21k matches. Never fired a single premium ammo in my entire WoT life. Just bumping to show my love <3




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