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WaifuRacer #1 Posted 15 September 2018 - 02:57 AM

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So, why does the E-100 still has the lowest pen compared to the 705 and the siemka tank, even tough its the biggest, slowest, and weakest armoured of the 3? You either spam HEAT if you have enough credits or you are stuck with HE like me. Doing 400 dmg in best case scenario/ 16 seconds (but more like 300).

Proposals:

NO.1: Buff AP pen to 255 so its kind of the same level as the mention tanks above.
NO.2: Buff DPM
NO.3: Buff armour and AP pen as mentioned above



Cuck0osNest #2 Posted 15 September 2018 - 03:05 AM

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omg just 4th wave of overpowereness, what can you do? how can you protest comfort monetizing? Yes, E100 is 2nd wave now. Even though it was buffed from being in 1st wave lately.

Edited by Cuck0osNest, 15 September 2018 - 03:17 AM.


_Dunc_ #3 Posted 15 September 2018 - 09:28 AM

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E100 has been trash for years. 

 

It currently sits in the pile of stuff long forgotten by WG, along with KJpz, T-10, KV-3, anything with T95 turret, CDC, 59 & M60 Pattons, Jap meds, and countless others.

 

It all stems back to the buffing of Jap heavies... Since then it's been a continuous powercreep every patch.

 

But hey, a massively armoured heavy that splashes for 700+ with no need to aim is hard to play...



Dava_117 #4 Posted 15 September 2018 - 09:33 AM

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View PostWaifuRacer, on 15 September 2018 - 02:57 AM, said:

So, why does the E-100 still has the lowest pen compared to the 705 and the siemka tank, even tough its the biggest, slowest, and weakest armoured of the 3? You either spam HEAT if you have enough credits or you are stuck with HE like me. Doing 400 dmg in best case scenario/ 16 seconds (but more like 300).

Proposals:

NO.1: Buff AP pen to 255 so its kind of the same level as the mention tanks above.
NO.2: Buff DPM
NO.3: Buff armour and AP pen as mentioned above

 

Because it got the best HEAT round, far better accuracy compared to 705, and more or less the same with the 60TP. But it still the best sidescraper of the 3.

705 is quite mediocre, can't really sidescrape well, hull roof is fully overmatchable and shooting HE at the turret will likely splash the hull, with chance to hit the engine.

60TP has 6mm more AP pen, but 31mm less pen on HEAT. Has a LFP and driver hatch weackspot that negate any angling in the open, as the relatively thin sides do.

So, no, E100 is not the weacker armoured of the 3, it's just different in use. And with a skillful player can actually be toughter than the other 2.


Edited by Dava_117, 15 September 2018 - 09:34 AM.


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View PostGerman_Dunc, on 15 September 2018 - 09:28 AM, said:

E100 has been trash for years. 

 

It currently sits in the pile of stuff long forgotten by WG, along with KJpz, T-10, KV-3, anything with T95 turret, CDC, 59 & M60 Pattons, Jap meds, and countless others.

 

It all stems back to the buffing of Jap heavies... Since then it's been a continuous powercreep every patch.

 

But hey, a massively armoured heavy that splashes for 700+ with no need to aim is hard to play...

 

T-10??? Its kinda not so bad or close to E100..i love T10,got over 200 battles in it,around 52% WN and its nice allrounder,could be a bit faster in my eyes but everything else its still nice even in current gameplay

Jigzy84 #6 Posted 15 September 2018 - 07:57 PM

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Problem is that certain new Tonks seem to power creep older established Tonks, perhaps part in design to deliberately incentivise players to power grind to get new Tonks which are better than others. People spend RL money on the game in the process.

 

Then if server stars show the Tonk is broken they might balance it in a few years time, anyways that is how it appears  feels.

 

So many high tier tonks are introduced that are better. 



Andrasan89 #7 Posted 15 September 2018 - 09:00 PM

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the only problem with E100 is that moronic p2w gold ammo...thats all

thats why its "worst" armored and thats why its "balanced" with 334 p2w pen wich is better than his counterparts

 

just fix this and E100 is already perfectly balanced


Edited by Andrasan89, 15 September 2018 - 09:01 PM.


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View PostWaifuRacer, on 15 September 2018 - 01:57 AM, said:

So, why does the E-100 still has the lowest pen compared to the 705 and the siemka tank, even tough its the biggest, slowest, and weakest armoured of the 3? You either spam HEAT if you have enough credits or you are stuck with HE like me. Doing 400 dmg in best case scenario/ 16 seconds (but more like 300).

Proposals:

NO.1: Buff AP pen to 255 so its kind of the same level as the mention tanks above.
NO.2: Buff DPM
NO.3: Buff armour and AP pen as mentioned above

 

The only problem with E100 is that almost all tier 10 tanks can pen the turret from the front every single time with premium ammo and most of the time with normal ammo. The front of the turret, except for the gun mantle, it`s a giant weakspot. 

Andrasan89 #9 Posted 15 September 2018 - 09:22 PM

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View Postthe_nebuchadnezzar, on 15 September 2018 - 09:15 PM, said:

 

The only problem with E100 is that almost all tier 10 tanks can pen the turret from the front every single time with premium ammo and most of the time with normal ammo. The front of the turret, except for the gun mantle, it`s a giant weakspot. 

 

really?...show me another tank wich is NOT A TD and can pen that E100 turret with standard ammo reliably

NoobySkooby #10 Posted 16 September 2018 - 01:24 AM

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So straight up comparison between this and the Maus, which one is the better super heavy, Maus looks a little suspect as it does not have the handsome angled lines of the VK100,01P.

spuriousmonkey #11 Posted 16 September 2018 - 07:47 AM

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It's maybe not as good as the current generation of OPness. But it is still mostly fun to play. I mean for a heavy tank and I don't like playing heavy tanks.

 

You hit something 3 times and you had an ok game if you compare the average population of WoT. Even if they gold farm you, you can make that happen in most games.



MeNoobTank #12 Posted 16 September 2018 - 10:01 AM

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E-100 has that stupid police bar on top of the turret that is weak. Actually if there where no prem ammo in game and all the tanks (for exemple Maus) had weakspots as E-100 has it will be good. E-100 is one of the best balanced tanks but there are so many new tanks that are unbalanced so the balanced ones become unbalanced and the unbalanced become balanced.

WaifuRacer #13 Posted 16 September 2018 - 01:58 PM

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View PostDava_117, on 15 September 2018 - 09:33 AM, said:

 

Because it got the best HEAT round, far better accuracy compared to 705, and more or less the same with the 60TP. But it still the best sidescraper of the 3.

705 is quite mediocre, can't really sidescrape well, hull roof is fully overmatchable and shooting HE at the turret will likely splash the hull, with chance to hit the engine.

60TP has 6mm more AP pen, but 31mm less pen on HEAT. Has a LFP and driver hatch weackspot that negate any angling in the open, as the relatively thin sides do.

So, no, E100 is not the weacker armoured of the 3, it's just different in use. And with a skillful player can actually be toughter than the other 2.

 

Are we really comparing a tank based on heat pen... Why? Premium ammo should never be a primary principal when balancing a tank. Reduce heat pen then and increase ap pen.
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View PostGerman_Dunc, on 15 September 2018 - 09:28 AM, said:

E100 has been trash for years. 

 

It currently sits in the pile of stuff long forgotten by WG, along with KJpz, T-10, KV-3, anything with T95 turret, CDC, 59 & M60 Pattons, Jap meds, and countless others.

 

It all stems back to the buffing of Jap heavies... Since then it's been a continuous powercreep every patch.

 

But hey, a massively armoured heavy that splashes for 700+ with no need to aim is hard to play...

 

T-10 is one of the best t9 heavies, very quick, good dpm, good pen, and fairly accurate with good gun handling... So it doesnt need buff at all, but I agree on the other things you mentioned

Dava_117 #14 Posted 16 September 2018 - 07:14 PM

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View PostWaifuRacer, on 16 September 2018 - 01:58 PM, said:

 

Are we really comparing a tank based on heat pen... Why? Premium ammo should never be a primary principal when balancing a tank. Reduce heat pen then and increase ap pen.

 

As long as Type5, Maus, 268v4 and so on stroll around in tuer 10, HEAT pen matters a lot! Especially if you need to outtrade a Tye5 shooting premium HE.

But I also metioned other things, like better sidescrape capabilities and the abilitu to angle in the open. Did you miss that?



Strizi #15 Posted 16 September 2018 - 10:45 PM

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E100 doesnt need a buff, all the other heavies need to be nerfed.

Simeon85 #16 Posted 17 September 2018 - 02:49 PM

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View PostWaifuRacer, on 16 September 2018 - 01:58 PM, said:

 

Are we really comparing a tank based on heat pen... Why? Premium ammo should never be a primary principal when balancing a tank. Reduce heat pen then and increase ap pen.
 

 

It's part of the game, so yes it's pretty relevant.  It is an obvious downside of tanks like the IS7, TVP, Kranvagn etc.

 

Also people really think 4mm and 10mm of penetration make any real difference?

 

E100 AP is for targets you'll pen and targets you can overmatch, then you use HEAT for tougher targets or HE for stuff that won't pen or for juicy 1k hits against paper stuff.

 

Whether it had 246, 250, 255 or 258 AP pen would not change anything in reality. 

 

E100 is generally fine, maybe the off QoL buff but it general it's well balanced tank, some of the power creep tanks on 10 need toning down. 

 






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