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BR33K1_PAWAH #1 Posted 15 September 2018 - 12:00 PM

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After lurking eu forum for some time i couldnt but notice how much u guys here are concerned with current MM.

Which is very different from .ru community, where general community opinion on MM is way more positive. Ppl over there consider 3/5/7 the best MM WoT ever had, despite obvious problems it brings (which are explainable by simple math: 3<5<7, and there is no way around it).

 

But here, on eu forum i see ppl constantly complain about mm system, the main topic being matchmaking of tier 8 vehicles.

 

So, tier 8 matchmaking. It's harsh, oh yes it is. But why it's so much more cruel compared to tiers 5,6,7? 

Well kids, it's time for a history lesson!

 

Back in the day, when 3/5/7 was just released in 9.18, we got realy strange MM for our tier 10 tanks. 

You were constantly MMed only against other tier 10 players and it was almost impossible back then to be placed in a match with 9 and 8 tier tanks.

And this feature was heavily criticized on ru forum. While receiving mostly positive feedback on 3/5/7, WG was given a tonn of shirt on it's tier 10 matchmaking.

 

So, they fixed it. And players were again able to play in their top tier vehicles against 8s and 9s.

But how did WG fixed the issue? By simply making MM system prioritize matching tier 8s against tier 10s, rather than lower tiers. And from now on, we have our awesome tier 8 matchmaking.

 

Was this is the right solution for MM? Was it just? Was it BS? Let us know in the comments what u think!


Edited by BR33K1_PAWAH, 15 September 2018 - 12:13 PM.


jabster #2 Posted 15 September 2018 - 12:03 PM

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Maybe using the pinned MM thread would be a good idea as this one will just end up getting locked.

Edited by jabster, 15 September 2018 - 12:03 PM.


BR33K1_PAWAH #3 Posted 15 September 2018 - 12:06 PM

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View Postjabster, on 15 September 2018 - 02:03 PM, said:

Maybe using the pinned MM thread would be a good idea as this one will just end up getting locked.

 

Mb. Wanted to remind this community of a root of the problems current tier 8 MM has.

If mods are in a working mood they can just merge it with a pinned thread.



chiggy #4 Posted 15 September 2018 - 12:07 PM

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Over the years I've seen thousands of MM threads and hundreds of people who have wasted time gathering data and assembling mathematical formula.

Do this...…

Take a look at the average WR on your server...according to tanksgg the EU average WR is: 50.38.

If all the players on your team are all significantly below this and the players on the opposite team are higher. Alfred Einstein is not required to establish what the outcome of that game is likely to be.

A five year old is able to establish the difference between a high and low number.

If you are consistently on a team with low figures then it is blindingly obvious even to a small child with an underdeveloped brain what is occurring in this game.

All those threads were never required.
 

Edited by chiggy, 15 September 2018 - 12:11 PM.


Evilier_than_Skeletor #5 Posted 15 September 2018 - 12:08 PM

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Interesting...so: blame WG blame Russians.

BR33K1_PAWAH #6 Posted 15 September 2018 - 12:10 PM

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View Postchiggy, on 15 September 2018 - 02:07 PM, said:

Over the years I've seen thousands of MM threads and hundreds of people who have wasted time gathering data and assembling mathematical formula.

Do this...…

Take a look at the average WR on your server...according to tanksgg the EU average WR is: 50.38.

If all the players on your team are all significantly below this and the players on the opposite team are higher. Alfred Einstein is not required to establish what the outcome of that game is likely to be.

All those threads were never required.
 

 

Ehm, what? I'm not trying to be rude, but mb u should also try to read ts posts in threads. At least sometimes :D
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View PostEvilier_than_Skeletor, on 15 September 2018 - 02:08 PM, said:

Interesting...so: blame WG blame Russians.

 

Blame ppl who play tier 10 :trollface:

jabster #7 Posted 15 September 2018 - 12:22 PM

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View PostBR33K1_PAWAH, on 15 September 2018 - 11:06 AM, said:

 

Mb. Wanted to remind this community of a root of the problems current tier 8 MM has.

If mods are in a working mood they can just merge it with a pinned thread.

 

Or the could just lock it as they’ve done with many MM threads before. Your choice really.

Wintermute_1 #8 Posted 15 September 2018 - 12:38 PM

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The Russian server figures are at all time lows too, albeit from a much higher starting point, so they can't like 3/5/7 that much.

 

 



Aikl #9 Posted 15 September 2018 - 12:39 PM

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It's generally a terrible idea to take a giant dump on those who pay €35 for a tank.



Dava_117 #10 Posted 15 September 2018 - 12:40 PM

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View PostBR33K1_PAWAH, on 15 September 2018 - 12:00 PM, said:

After lurking eu forum for some time i couldnt but notice how much u guys here are concerned with current MM.

Which is very different from .ru community, where general community opinion on MM is way more positive. Ppl over there consider 3/5/7 the best MM WoT ever had, despite obvious problems it brings (which are explainable by simple math: 3<5<7, and there is no way around it).

 

But here, on eu forum i see ppl constantly complain about mm system, the main topic being matchmaking of tier 8 vehicles.

 

So, tier 8 matchmaking. It's harsh, oh yes it is. But why it's so much more cruel compared to tiers 5,6,7? 

Well kids, it's time for a history lesson!

 

Back in the day, when 3/5/7 was just released in 9.18, we got realy strange MM for our tier 10 tanks. 

You were constantly MMed only against other tier 10 players and it was almost impossible back then to be placed in a match with 9 and 8 tier tanks.

And this feature was heavily criticized on ru forum. While receiving mostly positive feedback on 3/5/7, WG was given a tonn of shirt on it's tier 10 matchmaking.

 

So, they fixed it. And players were again able to play in their top tier vehicles against 8s and 9s.

But how did WG fixed the issue? By simply making MM system prioritize matching tier 8s against tier 10s, rather than lower tiers. And from now on, we have our awesome tier 8 matchmaking.

 

Was this is the right solution for MM? Was it just? Was it BS? Let us know in the comments what u think!

 

The right solution was, IMO, the first implementation that didn't priorize 3/5/7 over 5/10 and single tier MM. Best MM ever released! Saddly it got changed. :(

Hellraiser0201 #11 Posted 15 September 2018 - 12:45 PM

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KV4 vs t9 and t10 all the time. WG shame on you !

gunslingerXXX #12 Posted 15 September 2018 - 01:03 PM

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For me personally its rather simple. I prefer to have 5 good/ok matchups, 2-3 excellent and 2-3 horrific (say 3x t8, 2x t9 and 10x10) than the current system where you have 7-8 mediocre/bad (+2 in 3/5/7) and 2-3 ok-good.

Erwin_Von_Braun #13 Posted 15 September 2018 - 01:04 PM

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InB4Lock:bush:

BR33K1_PAWAH #14 Posted 15 September 2018 - 03:38 PM

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View PostErwin_Von_Braun, on 15 September 2018 - 03:04 PM, said:

InB4Lock:bush:

 

I srsly doubt that 

Erwin_Von_Braun #15 Posted 15 September 2018 - 04:04 PM

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View PostBR33K1_PAWAH, on 15 September 2018 - 02:38 PM, said:

 

I srsly doubt that 

 

I must confess, I'm surprised it's still here - mods must be on holiday :trollface:

BR33K1_PAWAH #16 Posted 15 September 2018 - 04:15 PM

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View PostHellraiser0201, on 15 September 2018 - 02:45 PM, said:

KV4 vs t9 and t10 all the time. WG shame on you !

#armourmatters :trollface:



Dava_117 #17 Posted 15 September 2018 - 04:18 PM

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View PostHellraiser0201, on 15 September 2018 - 12:45 PM, said:

KV4 vs t9 and t10 all the time. WG shame on you !

 

That's the best mm you can get. Your armour still matter and there are more HP in game to farm. As top tier is hard to get more than 2k damage and stomping tier 6 isn't really much fun...

duijm #18 Posted 15 September 2018 - 04:19 PM

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View PostBR33K1_PAWAH, on 15 September 2018 - 11:06 AM, said:

 

Mb. Wanted to remind this community of a root of the problems current tier 8 MM has.

If mods are in a working mood they can just merge it with a pinned thread.

 

The cure is worse than de old mm. 

DeadLecter #19 Posted 15 September 2018 - 04:31 PM

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skill-based MM and addition of bots to fill the void. Why should better players suffer from the mistakes of bad players?Till when should we see tier 10 heaves camping in back and tier 8 scouts rushing towards enemy heavies because none of them have any idea what the hell they are doing?



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View Postjabster, on 15 September 2018 - 12:22 PM, said:

 

Or the could just lock it as they’ve done with many MM threads before. Your choice really.

 

It will still probably get more attention in the short windowit is here than it would being tagged to the end of a 470 page thread that no one EVER reads....




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