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Kandly #1 Posted 21 September 2018 - 04:42 PM

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Howdy tankers!


Today we’re starting the closed test of a new Soviet Tier VIII Premium tank destroyer, the SU-130PM. While tuning its stats, we used the SU-100P as a basis.

 

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SU 130 PM 1.png Su 130 PM 2.png

 

The SU-100P was a post-WWII light TD prototype, aimed at gradually replacing the SU-76M. A fully operational unit passed the trials, and the SU-100P was greenlit for army service; yet it did not enter mass production. The test unit now resides in the Kubinka Tank Museum.

 

What will it be like in-game?
The main difference between the game version and the completed prototype is the armament: in-game it boasts a more powerful 130mm cannon. Gameplay-wise, the SU-130PM is a compact vehicle with decent mobility, great camo and a hard-hitting gun with an alpha of 520 and a penetration of 243 mm with a standard round. You can hardly call this gun a sniper as its base accuracy is 0.35, but it still allows you to be effective at almost any distance. It should be noted that the base aiming time is 2.3 seconds, so you won’t be able to fire from the hip. Before picking your target, you’ll need to prepare.

 

The SU-130PM is agile enough to benefit from switching flanks and firing positions. Its top speed is 65 km/h but it’s attainable after a period of time and on terrain with good traction—off-road it doesn’t perform so well. The cruising speed of the SU-130PM is between 45–55 km/h.

 

Still looks enticing, so what’s the catch?
Well, the SU-130PM is very scantily armored, has a small HP pool (1100 points), and a limited horizontal firing arc of 155 degrees. To survive in battle, you’ll need to rely on camouflage and using your mobility wisely.

 

Drawing a line: we’re going to battle-test a mobile, but squishy Soviet TD—a dedicated damage dealer with camo-based play, which changes its position a lot. It’s a relatively complex but rewarding vehicle which has everything it needs to be efficient in battle.

 

The trials will define what will become of the SU-130PM. As always, its stats are not final and may change depending on test results. Please follow the news and good luck to you in every battle! :playing:



JaffaStar #2 Posted 24 September 2018 - 03:11 PM

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What ?/ Another super OP Russian TD ?? 520 damage ??/ WTF is wrong with you guys ??? 

IvB_fighter #3 Posted 24 September 2018 - 07:47 PM

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Can you PLEASE compare this to the Rhm.-Borsig Waffenträger? If 0.35 is not sniper, 0.34 on German is? Lack of turret isn't that much of a disadvantage as long as you play it correctly. Since RoF on this is only in leaks (5.01/min, 2603 DPM), I cannot say the final verdict, but if it's true, oh boy. I don't know what was bad about 100mm version but well, I guess stronk russian TD has to have the biggest cannon of them all.

Gkirmathal #4 Posted 24 September 2018 - 08:18 PM

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Give it 390 or 490 alpha and it will be "more balanced"...than this alpha level. It is just not fitting for a mobile turreted platform at tier 8. The Skorpion was already bad for balance when it was released this, everything started going down hill around that era. This won't add anything worthwhile game balance wise.

 

Btw....not even talking about it being another RUSSIAN tank again FFS.


Edited by Gkirmathal, 24 September 2018 - 08:34 PM.


_LEO_ #5 Posted 24 September 2018 - 08:34 PM

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Skorpion G is not selling anymore so you have to add something even more powerfull.

520 alpha @ t8 is really good for game balance.

 



IvB_fighter #6 Posted 24 September 2018 - 09:19 PM

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View Post_LEO_, on 24 September 2018 - 08:34 PM, said:

Skorpion G is not selling anymore so you have to add something even more powerfull.

520 alpha @ t8 is really good for game balance.

 

 

 

I really don't think alpha is the issue with this tank. You have 700+ alpha guns, that are not considered OP and more common, similar 490 alpha isn't a problem.

What is the problem imo is properly downscale Grille 15 to T8. They want to make fast platform, hard hitting gun? Sure, np, as long as they don't make strictly better tank. Skorpion G was an example, how to not do it.

My solution to this would be lowering the reverse speed to around -13, and/or lower RoF to something like 4.7 rounds (12.8 s, 2450 DPM), and/or make base accuracy 0.36. This way, it cannot be as versitile, as it is in current state.

And yes, I am aware, that another high alpha tank isn't exactly what the game needs, but aparantly, this is what milks money. And when it is unevitable, at least let them make it correctly. 

 

Edit: some wording


Edited by IvB_fighter, 24 September 2018 - 09:25 PM.


Dr_Oolen #7 Posted 24 September 2018 - 09:23 PM

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Well, i guess until now all rasha needed was to have the best t8 td in the game to complete the full roster of best tanks at every high tier of every class.

Andrasan89 #8 Posted 25 September 2018 - 01:59 AM

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thats a WT pz4 at tier 8...:facepalm:

but of course, RUSKI and that means BETTER:facepalm:.

almost same damage, almost same pen, probably WAY better camo and way better speed from what you said, accuracy and aim time im sure that will be "balanced" by soft stats...and...A WHOLE TIER LOWER??

 

 

SHAME AGAIN !

STOP P2W !


Edited by Andrasan89, 25 September 2018 - 02:01 AM.


WoT_RU_Doing #9 Posted 25 September 2018 - 08:30 AM

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Interesting. We have no tier 8 Soviet TD, so the answer is to give us something that would fit perfectly into the German line. It has no armour, and a limited traverse turret, so the engine is going to take a pounding, For a German glass cannon line this is perfectly fine, as the tech tree vehicles have similar issues and the crews will be using the same camo skills. However, for the Russian lines, the TDs all have moderate to decent armour, with the engine shielded by the rest of the tank, and camo is a less important crew skill. Sure, this looks like an interesting fun TD, but the first priority should be a Soviet Tier 8 TD with a similar playstyle to the TDs in the tech tree, as the primary role of a premium is to act as a crew trainer for the tech tree tanks. Please give us the SU-130 or let us have our SU-122-54's back as a premium before adding novelty tanks into the mix.

fighting_falcon93 #10 Posted 25 September 2018 - 12:39 PM

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It looks interesting, but if this will be a premium tank, I find it a bit sad that you add so many interesting tanks behind a paywall :(

CrimsonEntropy #11 Posted 25 September 2018 - 10:40 PM

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View PostDr_Oolen, on 24 September 2018 - 08:23 PM, said:

Well, i guess until now all rasha needed was to have the best t8 td in the game to complete the full roster of best tanks at every high tier of every class.

 

Let's see...

Not, objectively, as good as a Scorpion G in DPM, or accuracy (for whatever that's worth...) and lacks a fully traversable turret or the Scorp's view range. One of the historical variants of this tank has a 152mm gun (so 130mm isn't as OP as the non-informed trolls would like to insist, given the alternatives)......it has paper armour (so even near misses by HE hits are going to spoil your day - the Scorpion G can weather a few) but on the flipside this has "better" camo. Finally, the SU 130PM has been posited as a precursor to a new line of TDs (which is probably an inaccurate guess) but in either case, it would be perfect as a crew trainer. 

Best Tier 8 TD in game? 

Nope. 

IvB_fighter #12 Posted 26 September 2018 - 01:07 AM

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View PostCrimsonEntropy, on 25 September 2018 - 10:40 PM, said:

 

Something

This thing is on par with view range (360 m) and has better DPM (2610 vs 2410) than Skorpion G. Yes accuracy is worse, but soft stats seem pretty decent to somewhat make up for it. Lack of turret is meh (155° total gun arc btw), but it won't matter in mid and long distances. Even in retreating this has traverse advantage. Only better position that this is worse than Skorp is aggro play, which is fully justified imo. And even if this was still worse than Skorp it doesn't automaticly mean it's ok to release.

Maybe 152mm version with 650 alpha and severe dpm drawback should have been considered (maybe even tested), but having premium with that alpha would be dangerous and not healthy for the game. 



CrimsonEntropy #13 Posted 26 September 2018 - 01:20 AM

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crap, I compared it mentally to my Scorpion with a really good crew.....waiting for Tanks GG to put the stats up so I can compare them properly!

Aggro play? 

IvB_fighter #14 Posted 26 September 2018 - 02:12 AM

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I meant aggresive type of plays, when you take only a ridge as a cover and peak pointing gun side ways, or being in somewhat open position, where you have to turn your whole tank pretty often. You can check the stats on Armored Patrol or The Daily Bounce.

Hiisi #15 Posted 02 October 2018 - 02:52 PM

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Old grille 15 in tier 8. Did you forget, why did you nerf grille 15. Alfa/pen/mobility combo is way too good for this one. 

 

Look at Scorpion g, copy stats for this one. Make gamo better and keep less turret traverse and whola you are quite close. After that slight adjustments.



Darkoni_ #16 Posted 02 October 2018 - 03:02 PM

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Better than scorpion and on top of that 3X times better camo than scorpion (and we all know how scorp is good compared to everything else). You lost your mind WG? Why you wanna kill the game so passionately? (kill the game, no more money....you are shooting yourself in a foot.....is it worth it to earn quick buck that way?) 

sokolicc #17 Posted 03 October 2018 - 12:20 PM

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Same caliber on same tier have different alpha damage?

So far, it was somehow normal for tier 8 TDs have tier 10 heavies gun.
Rhm. B. WT, Skorpion G (Op a bit), Ferdinand, SU-101 etc...
And now you have Russian TD with Russian 130mm gun with alpha greater than Tier 10 Russian heavies. 

Give it alpha 490 and we're okay.
Also, premium amo is a waste.

Like ISU-130, Russian 130mm guns on Tank destoryers could have gold rounds with pen like 210 but alpha 550 or so.
That can become speciality of Russian Tank destroyers.

I like ISU and it has balanced gold shells, so do Centurion 7/1 etc.
Less pen - more alpha.

Tank itself is OK, 152 mm variant is SPG, not TD.

This tank is made up partially, but i am okay with it if you make it, let's say, on par with Rhm. Borsig. 
Just give it 30 less alpha and adjust Rate of fire and we're good.
Also, consider gold shells being 550 alpha 210 pen.
240 or so pen is enough for tier 8 TD, really.

grizly1973 #18 Posted 21 October 2018 - 06:56 PM

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DO NOT add it to the game in this state! It will only make people more upset. Give it 490 alpha and everything will be fine...





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