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iKnewIT #221 Posted 09 October 2018 - 02:31 PM

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View PostHan951753, on 09 October 2018 - 01:51 PM, said:

I don't get the point of buffing PREMIUM VEHICLES! Why? They do not have to enter tier 10 combat anyway. Condider the fact that all tier 8 researchables are straggling against tier 10 tanks ever 9 out of 10 battles. It is fair to say that tier 8 PREMIUMS are really nice and easy to play. First of all they do not need to worry about performance anyway because that tanks have credits buff. Secondly, due to the fact they can use gold shells without even thinking about the cost,there performance are even better than most of the tier 8s. Thirdly they never meet tier 19s. Under current economy system, with a researchable tier 8 you always have to do your best to balance your cost. I can still remember one from yesterday. I did 3000+ dmg in centurion mk1 without using any gold shell and more than 85% penetrated. In the end you know what I earned in total? 257 credits, that is it. Only 257 credits! With no matter wich premium I can easily get more than 15000+ even I have to use only gold shells in battles. Consider the fact that all premium can use gold shells much more often and never meet tier 10s, their average performance is a lot better. So if you buff PREMIUMS due to performance, that can be nothing further from the trueth.

But I can still get you reason why you buff PREMIUMS. I mean the real reason. Money! You want to earn more money! Consider the fact that WOT is lossing active player very fast, due to your horrible game balance and matchmaking. You want everyone left to go and buy premium tanks. So you can earn money. But really you do not need to find such hilarious reason to cover this very fact. You can really just say out loud. WE NEED MONEY! Everyone left there are the real lover of this game, and we do not have any problem of sponsoring you as long as you are speaking honestly.

To the very fact that you lied again and will keep on lying, I seriously have to reconsider the plan of buying a new premium vehicle. Maybe I can spend it in a similar but more sustainable game such as Armored Warfare.

 

Sorry for making this conversation a little bit personal, but:

1. Your the most top vehicles (0 of them premium, and 0 of them PMM, of course):

2...….

  Total Past 24 hours Past 7 days Past 30 days
Battles 13550 50 172 172
Ø Tier 5,43 6,06 5,92 5,92

So, You do not have any experience about things You are trying to talk about and there are no possibilities to discus with You.


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OudeHeer #222 Posted 09 October 2018 - 03:47 PM

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Fix the matchmaking in a way that low tiers dont have to play against tier 8 premiums, i have only tier 6 and become kannonfodder every time against the high tier just for 1 simple reason i cant penetrate any 1 of them its like trowing cottonballs at an elephant.

For the 1ns that call uninstall then i want to let you know i dont buy to win and i dont need to playing should be fun nothing else.



__KoRni__ #223 Posted 09 October 2018 - 06:00 PM

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The solution for standard tier VIII tanks is simple: replace 3-5-7 template with 5-5-5 one. This way it will take the same amount of tier X and tier VIII to fulfill template requirements, instead of 3:7 ratio, which results in too many bottom tier battles for T8.



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I've to admit I haven't read the entire topic here and English is not my native language so please excuse this question if it's already answered.

 

So they are going to buff these premium tanks and they will keep the special matchmaking.

But I've read they will also improve the situation that you are not always bottom tier or mid tier.

Is that also true?

I mean the changes to the matchmaker in favor of those premium tanks?



WoT_RU_Doing #225 Posted 09 October 2018 - 08:22 PM

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View PostOudeHeer, on 09 October 2018 - 02:47 PM, said:

Fix the matchmaking in a way that low tiers dont have to play against tier 8 premiums, i have only tier 6 and become kannonfodder every time against the high tier just for 1 simple reason i cant penetrate any 1 of them its like trowing cottonballs at an elephant.

For the 1ns that call uninstall then i want to let you know i dont buy to win and i dont need to playing should be fun nothing else.

 

The fact a tank is premium makes little difference. Some are better  than non-premiums, some are worse. What is more important is learning where to penetrate the tanks you meet.

View PostErithas, on 09 October 2018 - 06:59 PM, said:

I've to admit I haven't read the entire topic here and English is not my native language so please excuse this question if it's already answered.

 

So they are going to buff these premium tanks and they will keep the special matchmaking.

 

Yes

View PostErithas, on 09 October 2018 - 06:59 PM, said:

But I've read they will also improve the situation that you are not always bottom tier or mid tier.

Is that also true?

 

 

 

Yes, for all tanks, but that will take longer (not planned for update 1.2)

View PostErithas, on 09 October 2018 - 06:59 PM, said:

I mean the changes to the matchmaker in favor of those premium tanks?

 

 

No

 


Edited by WoT_RU_Doing, 09 October 2018 - 09:32 PM.


Curcanis #226 Posted 10 October 2018 - 05:22 AM

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Nothing about T34?

iKnewIT #227 Posted 10 October 2018 - 06:52 AM

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View PostKoRneeshon, on 09 October 2018 - 07:00 PM, said:

The solution for standard tier VIII tanks is simple: replace 3-5-7 template with 5-5-5 one. This way it will take the same amount of tier X and tier VIII to fulfill template requirements, instead of 3:7 ratio, which results in too many bottom tier battles for T8.

 

Now the real template of -2/+2 tier battles is 3-1 / 5-1 / 7-13 tending to the first value of the interval (I think You were some times in 2/4/9 or 3/3/9, or 2/2/11 battles?)

So, the question is what are You really suggesting:

1. Only 5 / 5 / 5, or

2. 5-1 / 5-1 / 5-13 tending to the first value like it is now, or

3. 3-7 / 3-7 / 3-7 (maybe tending to the middle value), like I told some time before?

 

The biggest problem is that that none of static templates could properly deal with this job so, that MM would work equally "fair" for all tiers (because of too big difference in amounts of different tiers' tanks overall and in some moment)... :(

http://forum.worldof...5#entry15858075

 

p. s. Every complicated problem has a simple wrong solution. ;)


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Cigic #228 Posted 10 October 2018 - 06:53 AM

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In order to improve gaming experience  it would be the best if they would nerf all premiums and then issue all of them again but this time in new skin and OP.

And repeat the process every year.



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I just play 1.2 version. How WG decrease dispersion by 0.02 of IS6. It's still 0.44 like previous versions. Also I feel gun less accurate that before. WHY? The armor is good. It have weak spots, but this is fine.

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View PostDBalla, on 10 October 2018 - 08:17 AM, said:

I just play 1.2 version. How WG decrease dispersion by 0.02 of IS6. It's still 0.44 like previous versions. Also I feel gun less accurate that before. WHY? The armor is good. It have weak spots, but this is fine.

 

Version 1.1 value was 0.46 and it is now 0.44. If you look tanks.gg version 1.1 values use base value instead of effective one.

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cyka pershing now better effective armour that T28. GGWP

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Anymn #233 Posted 10 October 2018 - 04:26 PM

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Block Quote

  • First iteration: Level the preferential matchmaking tanks with each other
  • Second iteration: Choose the parameters for improving the vehicle’s characteristics on a case-by-case basis
  • Third iteration: Polishing these changes

 

You forgot one iteration:

  • Remove premium ammo from the game


5igns #234 Posted 10 October 2018 - 05:09 PM

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Why even touch the FCM 50t if you're not going to address the actual issues with it, i.e. gun handling and accuracy.

After 2 years of being entirely worthless it gets this complete farce of a treatment, just to be able to say "look, we did a thing".

Now you can miss enemies faster, [edited]great, thanks.

 



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View PostlnfernaI, on 09 October 2018 - 09:15 AM, said:

 

No,you won't. They are irrelevant here.

 

Yeah, they are entiraly irrelevant. I have T34-3 for a long long time, and it has got multiple buffs, its much much better than T34-2 in every aspect, suspecting thats because it isnt premium. And guess what -2 still sees tier X. Things like gold free xping trees makes not only those tanks irrelevant, but also the game.

 

But I know what you mean, not the right post for that.



Search_Warrant #236 Posted 11 October 2018 - 04:50 AM

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Give T-34-3 the engine/armor of Type59, you said yourself they are historically the exact same tank WG. just different guns, so why are you again screwing T-34-3 owners over? why are you making Type59 superior again? have you no shame in lieing to everyone?

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Some tanks could use a little more tuning, the one's that barely got anything in terms of buffs (the ones I played I can only confirm on) could use some.
the T-34-3 for example, it got a bit better gun handling, 1.5 degree extra gun depression and the standard pen buff. Nothing to write home about, a mobility buff in terms of engine power isnt something that should be given, but traverse (so ground resistances?) would be nice.

 

I heard that the FCM 50t and wz 111 could use a little more fine tuning as well.

now for the most important question, all these buffs are nice, but why not for tier 4-7 as well?



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View PostRoQeNooB, on 11 October 2018 - 11:43 AM, said:

Some tanks could use a little more tuning, the one's that barely got anything in terms of buffs (the ones I played I can only confirm on) could use some.
the T-34-3 for example, it got a bit better gun handling, 1.5 degree extra gun depression and the standard pen buff. Nothing to write home about, a mobility buff in terms of engine power isnt something that should be given, but traverse (so ground resistances?) would be nice.

 

now for the most important question, all these buffs are nice, but why not for tier 4-7 as well?

 

Guess WG cant overbuff cuz nerfing a premium is a big no-no? Even though one could argue that the buffs given to the Type 59 were a bit overdone...

 

WG started with a selection of Tier 8 PMM since they had the biggest problem with MM (or were the biggest problem TO MM ;)). Lower tier PMM tanks will follow later



ToodlePips #239 Posted 14 October 2018 - 05:31 PM

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I have most of these vehicles and I tried all of them after the buff. To cut things short: I think the majority of buffs were totally pointless, because I nearly always ended up in Tier IX matches, and the buffs did way too little to compensate for that. No point in playing these vehicles anymore.

As far as I'm concered, 10.2 has for the most part been yet another fail. If I were a Wargaming WoT employee, I would slowly but surely start worrying about my future.



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You may say I'm crazy, but....

I've traded in T34 and I took Super Pershing instead of it....

And then I've finished mission for 15.000 HP blocking in.... 6 battles with Super Pershing. ;)






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