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Kandly #1 Posted 04 October 2018 - 02:16 PM

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Today marks the beginning of the Supertest for a Viking newcomer: the Emil 1951, a Tier VIII Premium Swedish heavy with an autoloader. Gameplay-wise, it’s an ‘Emil I Lite’: the Emil 1951 has less armor than its progression counterpart but is more mobile. There’s one less round in the barrel of the Emil 1951, but its aiming parameters are better and it shoots faster than the Emil I.

 

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The hull of the Emil 1951 has less protection, and to compensate it has a new 400-hp engine, bringing its specific power up to 15.15 hp per ton. Not a great difference to the Emil I, but certainly noticeable: the 1951 will move faster and accelerate to the top speed way quicker.

 

How will this tank play? Much like its progression partner, but more energetic: less covering, more movement. The barrel that unloads quickly also presupposes a hit-and-run playstyle: fire three rounds and fall back without taking any extra risks.

 

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Depending on test results, we may change the stats for the Emil 1951, so we’ll publish the final ones later. Stay tuned!

 

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Simeon85 #2 Posted 05 October 2018 - 03:39 PM

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Er 'The hull of the Emil 1951 has less protection'

 

Yet it is listed with the exact same armour values? The armour and the hp on both tanks is the same, so this is just a faster Emil 1 with better clip speed and aim time, but one less shell. 



Dr_Oolen #3 Posted 05 October 2018 - 03:40 PM

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"The hull of the Emil 1951 has less protection, and to compensate..."

 

Meanwhile the armor values are exactly the same with what looks like a better angle on ufp, so in fact the armor is if not better then the same, unless it has worse engine deck/lfp armor, which would technically make the armor worse, but not in any meaningful way. So basically the armor is no worse and the tank still gets "compensated" for non-existing drawback by better mobility and much better gun handling. Almost as if this tank was a premium and thus is straight up better than comparable tech tree tank :thinking:

 

(notice im not claiming this tank is op with these stats)

 

(ninjad by tajj, ffs)


Edited by Dr_Oolen, 05 October 2018 - 03:42 PM.


fighting_falcon93 #4 Posted 05 October 2018 - 04:00 PM

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View PostDr_Oolen, on 05 October 2018 - 04:40 PM, said:

(ninjad by tajj, ffs)

 

Interesting to know who's hiding behind that troll account :B



bubyy #5 Posted 05 October 2018 - 05:16 PM

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Good news WG 

Andrasan89 #6 Posted 06 October 2018 - 01:13 AM

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theres nothing less on armor by those stats, and even worse looks like it have some spaced armor over tracks, so that means BETTER armored, not less...thats just wrong translation, a bug or simply...LIES :facepalm:

 

so...just make it BALANCED, NOT SIMPLY BETTER THAN NORMAL EMIL (p2w) and its wellcome.


Edited by Andrasan89, 06 October 2018 - 01:14 AM.


Dr_Oolen #7 Posted 06 October 2018 - 10:33 AM

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also 0.25/0.25/0.15 are dispersions of tech tree emil while this premium has 0.21/0.21/0.13

 

So tldr: its the tech tree emil, just 15% better at everything basically



leggasiini #8 Posted 06 October 2018 - 01:30 PM

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I dunno, maybe they are planning to buff the EMIL I (+ other Swedish heavies)? Remember when the Strv 81 hit supertest, it was flat out superior to the Centurion I in terms of not just mobility, but also the turret armor. However, they buffed the Centurion 1 turret around when they introduced the Strv 81 (now with Primo Victoria skin), which made them way more equal to each other (altho Primo still is a bit better but whatever).

 

I guess the EMIL I will get armor buffs or something, which would make sense if this thing is supposed to be "lighter" than the EMIL I, and EMIL I's armor isn't quite as good tier-for-tier than it's higher tier brothers.



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View Postleggasiini, on 06 October 2018 - 01:30 PM, said:

I dunno, maybe they are planning to buff the EMIL I (+ other Swedish heavies)? Remember when the Strv 81 hit supertest, it was flat out superior to the Centurion I in terms of not just mobility, but also the turret armor. However, they buffed the Centurion 1 turret around when they introduced the Strv 81 (now with Primo Victoria skin), which made them way more equal to each other (altho Primo still is a bit better but whatever).

 

I guess the EMIL I will get armor buffs or something, which would make sense if this thing is supposed to be "lighter" than the EMIL I, and EMIL I's armor isn't quite as good tier-for-tier than it's higher tier brothers.

 

i dont believe this untill i see, so for now thats just another p2w premium wich is better than standard counterpart :facepalm:

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View Postleggasiini, on 06 October 2018 - 01:30 PM, said:

I dunno, maybe they are planning to buff the EMIL I (+ other Swedish heavies)? Remember when the Strv 81 hit supertest, it was flat out superior to the Centurion I in terms of not just mobility, but also the turret armor. However, they buffed the Centurion 1 turret around when they introduced the Strv 81 (now with Primo Victoria skin), which made them way more equal to each other (altho Primo still is a bit better but whatever).

 

I guess the EMIL I will get armor buffs or something, which would make sense if this thing is supposed to be "lighter" than the EMIL I, and EMIL I's armor isn't quite as good tier-for-tier than it's higher tier brothers.

 

Buffs to that line would be "needed" indeed. 

 

The main issue with emil 1 is simply that unlike on kranvagn/emil II the turret armor doesnt really allow you to take your time aiming (while hulldown) due to horrendous gun handling. The turret is still pen for t8 gold and for t9/10 regular ammo 50% of the time basically, while the t9/10 tanks are gold proof on their turrets.

 

So Id have no issue with the stats of this premium being what they are if emil 1 actually got armor/other buffs sufficient enough... kinda like:

 

- turret front 180 -> 210 (245 effective -> 285) (and accordingly buffed armor below gun and the sloped parts of turret front to the sides and above the gun

- side armor 20 -> 40 (instead of overmatch by everything to overmatch by 120+)

- side turret armor 35/30 -> 55/45 (instead of overmatch by 105/90+ to overmatch by 165/135+ )

- HP 1400 -> 1500

- aimtime 3.2 -> 3

 

Then the issue with emil II and kranvagn is simply the bad penetration combined with bad gun handling with fairly bad turret traverse

 

So emil II id buff like this:

- dispersion on turret traverse 0.12 -> 0.1

- turret traverse 20 -> 24

 

kranvagn (while emil II is fairly well balanced on T9 and doesnt really need a buff, kranvagn is actually fairly bad, and id say almost purely on account of the terrible pen on both rounds):

- dispersion on turret traverse 0.1 -> 0.08

- penetration 252/300 -> 268/310 (remember standard is apcr and its pen drops to 228 at 400 m, so then it would drop to something like 243 from 268, still making it less penetrating than other regular t10 heavy/med shells but actually not impotent against other t10 tanks)

- turret traverse 26 -> 28

- HP 2000 -> 2200

 



masheene #11 Posted 06 October 2018 - 07:27 PM

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Another premium tank for a dead HT line. These Belarus "developers" are smart as hell.

Edited by masheene, 06 October 2018 - 07:28 PM.


Simeon85 #12 Posted 09 October 2018 - 09:27 AM

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View Postleggasiini, on 06 October 2018 - 01:30 PM, said:

I dunno, maybe they are planning to buff the EMIL I (+ other Swedish heavies)? Remember when the Strv 81 hit supertest, it was flat out superior to the Centurion I in terms of not just mobility, but also the turret armor. However, they buffed the Centurion 1 turret around when they introduced the Strv 81 (now with Primo Victoria skin), which made them way more equal to each other (altho Primo still is a bit better but whatever).

 

I guess the EMIL I will get armor buffs or something, which would make sense if this thing is supposed to be "lighter" than the EMIL I, and EMIL I's armor isn't quite as good tier-for-tier than it's higher tier brothers.

 

That seems optimistic. 

 

 



Homer_J #13 Posted 09 October 2018 - 09:41 AM

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View PostKandly, on 04 October 2018 - 02:16 PM, said:

 Gameplay-wise, it’s an ‘Emil I Lite’: 

I'll pass.

 

Emil I is too "lite" already.



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Sounds good! :)

Bucifel #15 Posted 28 February 2019 - 07:04 PM

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ok..."changed stats" arrived and we can see here a dramatic change...

+1 ammo capacity...while armor is STILL SAME like emil 1 + spaced armor on sides AND KEEP ITS MOBILITY and better gunhandling???

 

What is this? :facepalm:


Edited by Bucifel, 28 February 2019 - 07:05 PM.


dex_1950 #16 Posted 17 May 2019 - 08:44 PM

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What a joke, Emil 1 has a horrid gun handling this is even worse. :trollface:



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View Postdex_1950, on 17 May 2019 - 08:44 PM, said:

 

What a joke, Emil 1 has a horrid gun handling this is even worse. :trollface:

 

You can use turret armor and sit on ridge for a longer period of time so aim time is not an issue that much. Reload is short enough, clip potential just a bit worse than on old Emil. So DPM that it can deliver is still amazing imo.

Also, intra clip reload is very nice. I like that Emil 1 and Emil 51 aren't the same, they have both pros and cons.






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