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bnmm113 #21 Posted 31 October 2018 - 02:07 PM

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View PostLethalWalou, on 31 October 2018 - 01:58 PM, said:

 

It isn't something like breathing. You are not forced to turn the turret if they are there waiting. You honestly shouldn't be in a situation where your only way out is to turn your turret to the enemies. If you are outnumbered and they are just staring you, you are already taking potential damage away from them as they are rather staring at you and not shooting than shooting others. Meanwhile your team mates can do the damage. This is one overlooked thing, everyone is so keen on doing damage always that they forget there is multiple ways to play to win the game.

 

About someone not owning a tank, you don't have to own a certain tank to know the game mechanics. Maus has mostly flat armor plates. Those need angling to be effective. The picture Simeon posted earlier was the live view, with a properly angled Maus. That is how you're supposed to angle and if you don't, then don't complain that someone damages you. The game does not need idiot proof tanks that you can just drive around and still bounce most shots.

 

if you want idiot-proof tank, then go play o-i exp

Simeon85 #22 Posted 31 October 2018 - 03:03 PM

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View PostHaikonnen, on 31 October 2018 - 01:29 PM, said:

 

Why are we even talking about one stupid angle. Maybe I didn't reach that exact one degree where Maus is harder to pen even with 340 pen, but does it change anything about a fact that all they have to do is to wait for you to turn the turret and shoot?? It doesn't.

 

Btw you still haven't answered my question - you don!t have any Maus battles on your profile. So when did you play Maus?? Can you explain? And your profile was created in 2013. So it!s not like this is your fresh account.

 

Or maybe Im just a noob for all I care. My point is that it s hard to enjoy that tank in the current tier X gameplay. Unless you reach one exact degree that is.

 

As for Tier X TDs.. I think they are ok having a high pen. They are TDs after all. 

 

It's hardly one stupid angle or a particular degree, you are literally nowhere near it, you can make the Maus turret cheeks about 350 - 360 effective against HEAT and in the view you got to you only managed 290 effective, that is quite a massive difference. 

 

And if they are sitting there waiting for you to turn your turret then you are doing what the Maus is supposed to do, roadblocking for the team, that 277 is basically doing nothing, what are your teammates doing? If he's only waiting to shoot you then they have easy shots into him, if he then fires at them you can shoot him for free.

 

And at worst as explained earlier you can at least trade 1 for 1 and you have the much superior health.

 

You also bait them into taking the shot turning and then turning back, much like how you bait shots into tracks when sidescraping. 

 

If you want an idiot proof tank you can just sit in front of enemies bouncing rounds then you chose the wrong tank, the Maus is a tank for people who know how to angle, bait shots, use their HP, trade effectively etc. 

 

You can either accept that you aren't playing it right and try to improve your play, at which point you might get more enjoyment from the tank, or you can continue to be pig headed and stubborn and not enjoy it, I don't really care either way. 



unrealname #23 Posted 31 October 2018 - 04:05 PM

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Well i just checked myself, live armor profile of maus against 340 HEAT, if everything is at decent angles, lower plate is min 334mm and turret 356mm at weakest spot, so Simeon85 is correct about armor profile.

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Tijsbeek993 #24 Posted 31 October 2018 - 04:48 PM

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Never heard of Jagdpanzer E 100..



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View Postunrealname, on 31 October 2018 - 03:05 PM, said:

Well i just checked myself, live armor profile of maus against 340 HEAT, if everything is at decent angles, lower plate is min 334mm and turret 356mm at weakest spot, so Simeon85 is correct about armor profile.

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Simeon85 is correct on everything he's said to Haikonnen

 

View PostSimeon85, on 31 October 2018 - 10:28 AM, said:

 

Point was he drives into the middle of the field and gets shot at by a lot of premium spam and bounces shed loads.

 

And that statistics show that the Maus bounces on average more than any other tier 10 tank, more than those tanks you mentioned.

 

It also has 3k hit points.

 

You bounce on average 2433 damage per game in the Maus, which means on average each game you have effectively had 5400 hit points in each game, yet you only do 1.5k damage with that HP. That is not a good ratio, it means you are getting shot 3-4 times for every time you do damage. 

 

Which highlights the issue with your play not premium ammo really.

 

 

It's very far from impossible, for a start, 'support at the back' sounds like you are fighting outnumbered, but you have the same alpha and 800 more hit points than a 277, so if you trade 1 for 1 you should kill him before he kills you, also if you angle the Maus turret  and keep moving, you will bounce some HEAT rounds, the Maus also has very good gun handling so you can often just snap shots in.

 

If you are fighting a 277 hull down then you are fighting someone in a superior position anyway, doubly so if you are outnumbered so your positioning and decision making there was not good.

 

I also note that you only payed 19 games in the tier 9, and only 80 something games in the tier 8, so you clearly free XPd to the tier 10 without really learning how to play this line of tanks. 

 

Overall just learn to play issues IMO, you have just decided you lost because of premium ammo, when you didn't, you lost because you don't know how to use the Maus effectively, it's one of the strongest tier 10 tanks and as I have shown is one of the best bouncers of damage. 

 

Topic should've been closed after this ^



NoobySkooby #26 Posted 31 October 2018 - 05:48 PM

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View PostSimeon85, on 31 October 2018 - 11:03 AM, said:

Half the heavies and several meds at tier 10 have 340 penetration HEAT rounds.  E5, IS4, 121, 430U, 277, 260, T57 Heavy, 113, WZ-5A and E100 has 334. 

 

How are you only noticing the 277?

 

As for the Maus's armour, well -

 

 

 

 

I think it's doing fine. 

 

 

Lmao, I must try this with mine, got to love Skills 4 u:D

 

That said there was no arty in the game, might have been a different story then.


Edited by NoobySkooby, 31 October 2018 - 06:02 PM.


RamRaid90 #27 Posted 31 October 2018 - 05:51 PM

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You suck in the Maus.

 

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Tjup #28 Posted 04 November 2018 - 04:08 AM

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705A sucks bad, anything can penetrate it, its soft as butter, cant hit anything whit the tank, sometimes bullet just go trough other tanks, whit no damage, acurasy is rediculess, and the penetration is riculess low, if u manage to hit anything..they really need to upgrade this tank, because its really bad tank..

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View PostHaikonnen, on 31 October 2018 - 11:13 AM, said:

 

 

Don't know. Just noticed that with 277. But it only means then that the problem lies in more tanks. If a Maus is called a superheavy, it should have a superheavy frontal armor too. But I don't want them to buff it, on the contrary - just reduce the premium pen on tier X vehicles (except TDs I guess). Obj 268-4 or T110E3 have a great frontal armor. At least 268-4 is a lot faster than Maus too. These are advantages over Maus.

 

Btw the video is pointless. It doens't prove anything. Getting shot at from 500 meters away is a lot different than trying to defend yourself in a close quarters fight with a 277 that just keeps spamming gold at you. It is impossible. If a 277 has a bit of brain and some support from the back, you're fucked. Period. And good luck trying to snipe with Maus. Or trying some other playstyle when it takes 30 secs just to turn the Maus around.

 

 

Maus block over half shots shot at it and you want it to block more? Please stop, you know it is going to be even more game breaking than what gold ammo is. WG could just limit gold ammo depending of the tank and that would fix the spam issue.

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4 steel wall medals, 4 shellproof ribbons and 3 cool headed medals in 33 games.

 

TANK HAS WEAK ARMOUR HURRRRDURRRR.

 

You lost against a tank that has hardly any dpm advantage, while you have an 800 hp advantage. Don't blame prem for your failure.



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Not going to close the topic as long as it's constructive :sceptic: and people don't resort to offensive posts again. 

 

Please use this as an opportunity to continue the current trend explaining the ways we can encourage bouncing and other mechanics to mitigate incoming enemy fire. 



ares354 #32 Posted 11 January 2019 - 11:18 PM

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Simeon85 is troll profile, WG dont give a. Why you dont block him?, HE SHOULD use true profile or non WG. 

Maus cant do crapvs good player who spam gold. I will take any fight vs simeon85, He can take Maus, I will rekt hes face with SQ on APCR, because Maus have no armor vs good player on gold. Only stupid or bad player spam gold on Maus in middle of map, when he is angled and far away. 

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View Postares354, on 11 January 2019 - 11:18 PM, said:

Simeon85 is troll profile, WG dont give a. Why you dont block him?, HE SHOULD use true profile or non WG. 

Maus cant do crapvs good player who spam gold. I will take any fight vs simeon85, He can take Maus, I will rekt hes face with SQ on APCR, because Maus have no armor vs good player on gold. Only stupid or bad player spam gold on Maus in middle of map, when he is angled and far away. 

Bait shots, don't aim at good players/at players with good penetration on close range if they aim at you. Let them shoot first, then shoot them. Be patient! Biggest weakness of a Maus is the driver.

 

Biggest mistake a Maus player can do is to aim at enemies who are trying to get shot at him with HEAT and already has their guns pointed to right spot(turret cheeks).

 

If you angle Maus correctly(check tanks.gg) it is under 50/50 to pen softest spot with 340 HEAT if I am right. If you are facing multiple enemies, always use cover and sidescrape from there.



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View PostObjec7, on 12 January 2019 - 09:40 PM, said:

Bait shots, don't aim at good players/at players with good penetration on close range if they aim at you. Let them shoot first, then shoot them. Be patient! Biggest weakness of a Maus is the driver.

 

Biggest mistake a Maus player can do is to aim at enemies who are trying to get shot at him with HEAT and already has their guns pointed to right spot(turret cheeks).

 

If you angle Maus correctly(check tanks.gg) it is under 50/50 to pen softest spot with 340 HEAT if I am right. If you are facing multiple enemies, always use cover and sidescrape from there.

 

I dont shoot Maus when he is angled. I play this game long enough to know how to face Maus player, that Why i use to say Maus was bad when he had 240 armor on turret cheek, because he was penned every time he aimed at enemy tank, tier X or with tier 10 gun. Maus need armor rework, not pure 20 mm more armor, that sad truth. 

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No need for all this science...armour normalisation of Maus weakspots etc......its because its Russian. And if it didn't have that pen the Russian players would complain. So to avoid complaints devs simply make it massively OP.

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View Postares354, on 12 January 2019 - 09:44 PM, said:

 

I dont shoot Maus when he is angled. I play this game long enough to know how to face Maus player, that Why i use to say Maus was bad when he had 240 armor on turret cheek, because he was penned every time he aimed at enemy tank, tier X or with tier 10 gun. Maus need armor rework, not pure 20 mm more armor, that sad truth. 

 

So what? Don't get your point... You don't shoot Maus before he peeks, Maus doesn't peek before you shoot = neither of you take damage. What's the problem with that?

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View PostObjec7, on 13 January 2019 - 04:48 PM, said:

 

So what? Don't get your point... You don't shoot Maus before he peeks, Maus doesn't peek before you shoot = neither of you take damage. What's the problem with that?

 

[edited]. If Maus is only 3 of tier X in battle, he cant be passive

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View Postares354, on 13 January 2019 - 06:04 PM, said:

 

[edited]. If Maus is only 3 of tier X in battle, he cant be passive

 

If he's facing the enemy top tier heavy, he can. They're basically just sitting there canceling each other out. If he's facing anything other than the enemy top tier heavy, it's not particularly scary to a Maus...


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View PostMimos_A, on 13 January 2019 - 07:49 PM, said:

 

If he's facing the enemy top tier heavy, he can. They're basically just sitting there canceling each other out. If he's facing anything other than the enemy top tier heavy, it's not particularly scary to a Maus...

 

HEAT 430U is very scary to him. You wont pen him, if you dont see lower plate. Hes HEAT will pen you turret front with eaz. 

Edited by ares354, 13 January 2019 - 08:03 PM.


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View Postares354, on 13 January 2019 - 08:03 PM, said:

 

HEAT 430U is very scary to him. You wont pen him, if you dont see lower plate. Hes HEAT will pen you turret front with eaz. 

 

Only if you point your turret at him, so don't.





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