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salvager #1 Posted 18 November 2018 - 03:32 PM

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Site seems to be down.  Anyone know if this is permanent??

arthurwellsley #2 Posted 18 November 2018 - 03:37 PM

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View Postsalvager, on 18 November 2018 - 02:32 PM, said:

Site seems to be down.  Anyone know if this is permanent??

 

The guy who runs it stills plays, just watch out for him online ingame.

Search_Warrant #3 Posted 18 November 2018 - 03:38 PM

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Its hacked apparently.

 

https://www.reddit.c...baddict_hacked/


Edited by Search_Warrant, 18 November 2018 - 03:49 PM.


PervyPastryPuffer #4 Posted 18 November 2018 - 08:05 PM

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View PostSearch_Warrant, on 18 November 2018 - 03:38 PM, said:

Its hacked apparently.

 

https://www.reddit.c...baddict_hacked/

 

1 bitcoin? :D Seems like a reasonable price or it's some gag-...oh that's 5000$ :unsure:

 

...who in the world would do something like that. What an absolute jackwagon. :angry:



Search_Warrant #5 Posted 18 November 2018 - 08:31 PM

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View PostPervyPastryPuffer, on 18 November 2018 - 07:05 PM, said:

 

1 bitcoin? :D Seems like a reasonable price or it's some gag-...oh that's 5000$ :unsure:

 

...who in the world would do something like that. What an absolute jackwagon. :angry:

 

Buttholes with too much time on there hands and pray on people's hard work.

Nishi_Kinuyo #6 Posted 18 November 2018 - 11:37 PM

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Whelp, I won't miss that cherry-picking stat site.

PervyPastryPuffer #7 Posted 19 November 2018 - 01:07 AM

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View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 18 November 2018 - 11:37 PM, said:

Whelp, I won't miss that cherry-picking stat site.

 

I liked using it just to see how certain tanks performed compared to others. :(

Nishi_Kinuyo #8 Posted 19 November 2018 - 07:53 AM

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View PostPervyPastryPuffer, on 19 November 2018 - 01:07 AM, said:

 

I liked using it just to see how certain tanks performed compared to others. :(

Except its not reliable information since only a few people provide stats for the site rather than the general population.

Which is exactly why I won't miss it.



TheLittleGirl #9 Posted 19 November 2018 - 09:06 AM

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View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 19 November 2018 - 06:53 AM, said:

Except its not reliable information since only a few people provide stats for the site rather than the general population.

Which is exactly why I won't miss it.

 

Reliable enough since it is the people that matters, the ones we compete/compare with 



250swb #10 Posted 19 November 2018 - 09:33 AM

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View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 19 November 2018 - 06:53 AM, said:

Except its not reliable information since only a few people provide stats for the site rather than the general population.

Which is exactly why I won't miss it.

 

I guess you don't understand how opinion polls work. If the question is 'do you like strawberry or vanilla milkshake best?' the polling company don't ask everybody in the country for their opinion, just a representative sample of people. Well it's a similar thing for stats in WoT, to find an average answer to the question 'which tank is most OP at tier VIII?' you only need an accurate sample, not all the players.

Edited by 250swb, 19 November 2018 - 09:34 AM.


jabster #11 Posted 19 November 2018 - 09:45 AM

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View Post250swb, on 19 November 2018 - 08:33 AM, said:

 

I guess you don't understand how opinion polls work. If the question is 'do you like strawberry or vanilla milkshake best?' the polling company don't ask everybody in the country for their opinion, just a representative sample of people. Well it's a similar thing for stats in WoT, to find an average answer to the question 'which tank is most OP at tier VIII?' you only need an accurate sample, not all the players.

 

But that is one of the problems with VBAddict the people who use it aren’t going to representive of the playerbase as a whole. That doesn’t mean it’s completely useless (the stats are generally based on all the battles it sees not just the player’s that use it) but you do have to be aware that it can create problems depending on what part of the data you’re looking at and what ‘question’ you’re trying to answer.

 

One of the worse ones, for example, is the proportions of tiers played.



LordMuffin #12 Posted 19 November 2018 - 09:53 AM

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View Post250swb, on 19 November 2018 - 09:33 AM, said:

 

I guess you don't understand how opinion polls work. If the question is 'do you like strawberry or vanilla milkshake best?' the polling company don't ask everybody in the country for their opinion, just a representative sample of people. Well it's a similar thing for stats in WoT, to find an average answer to the question 'which tank is most OP at tier VIII?' you only need an accurate sample, not all the players.

With the exception that the vbaddict sample isn't representative.

Thus, the result you get from there will be skewed in one way or the other.

 

Using vbaddict would be like asking if strawberry or vanilla is the best and ask mostly persons who are allergic to strawberries.


Edited by LordMuffin, 19 November 2018 - 09:54 AM.


Geno1isme #13 Posted 19 November 2018 - 10:46 AM

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The site was kinda in zombie mode for the last year or so anyway. Person that took it over from the original author just kept the servers running, development was stopped silently and some functions (e.g. heatmaps) already broke.

Only thing I really miss is the data about actual tank distribution in games. Good thing is that people can no longer refer to the nonsense net-income stats.



Nishi_Kinuyo #14 Posted 19 November 2018 - 06:09 PM

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View Post250swb, on 19 November 2018 - 09:33 AM, said:

 

I guess you don't understand how opinion polls work. If the question is 'do you like strawberry or vanilla milkshake best?' the polling company don't ask everybody in the country for their opinion, just a representative sample of people. Well it's a similar thing for stats in WoT, to find an average answer to the question 'which tank is most OP at tier VIII?' you only need an accurate sample, not all the players.

And what sample is more accurate then seeing how it performs for each given winrate for the playerbase as a whole like on wot-news?

If a 44% player typically gets 50% WR in a tank, then clearly there's something odd about that.

View PostLordMuffin, on 19 November 2018 - 09:53 AM, said:

With the exception that the vbaddict sample isn't representative.

Thus, the result you get from there will be skewed in one way or the other.

 

Using vbaddict would be like asking if strawberry or vanilla is the best and ask mostly persons who are allergic to strawberries.

Exactly this, yes.



Laatikkomafia #15 Posted 19 November 2018 - 06:44 PM

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I wouldn't be surprised if WG is behind this, so we can't see how balanced some premium tanks and tier 10s are.

Balc0ra #16 Posted 19 November 2018 - 07:00 PM

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View PostLaatikkomafia, on 19 November 2018 - 06:44 PM, said:

I wouldn't be surprised if WG is behind this, so we can't see how balanced some premium tanks and tier 10s are.

 

Considering the data they had on tier X is based on dossiers and replay uploads from its users. And not data taken from the servers... You can only trust it that much anyway. As that site was more a general pointer on the above average players more so then a full picture of how a tank performed. Their stats were always way off vs other sites. So I doubt WG had much to worry about as is. 

 

Think LordMuffi more or less hit the nail on the head with what he said. 



Bordhaw #17 Posted 19 November 2018 - 09:48 PM

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Just useful for some stats on popular equipment / crew choices. But even then none of the more recent tanks have any stats collected. I know it takes them from contributing players but even that doesnt work with software bugs that are not fixed. 

RockyRoller #18 Posted 19 November 2018 - 10:04 PM

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View PostLordMuffin, on 19 November 2018 - 08:53 AM, said:

With the exception that the vbaddict sample isn't representative.

Thus, the result you get from there will be skewed in one way or the other.

 

Using vbaddict would be like asking if strawberry or vanilla is the best and ask mostly persons who are allergic to strawberries.

 

strawman

it is more like saying if one brand of Ford is better than another. They all have the same type of operator (all unicums?) so you do get a realist picture of 'best at' tank, just no clue where you fit on its scale as its operator. 



Mr_Deo #19 Posted 19 November 2018 - 10:41 PM

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Since the site pulls data, and uses regular backups then little to nothing of value will be lost.  The owner should just shrug it off, restore, and patch.  Saying that, without him giving more info on what has happened then it's possible that only the landing and http pages have been replaced and no database encryption has happened at all.  Sorry to hear that he has to go through this tho. 

 

WG uses tokens that are one way only, so users who have logged into the site (assuming a full hack) are of no risk of login details being used against them.  He should revoke all existing tokens before putting the site back up tho.



250swb #20 Posted 19 November 2018 - 11:43 PM

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View Postjabster, on 19 November 2018 - 08:45 AM, said:

 

but you do have to be aware that it can create problems depending on what part of the data you’re looking at and what ‘question’ you’re trying to answer.

 

 

Well if Donald Trump can call it a great victory in the mid-term elections then it is true statistics can be manipulated however you want them to look. The question most people are trying to answer are some basic performance statistics that are true without having to cross reference multiple and almost meaningless graphs that you see on sites such as Wot News. Too much information is NO information, and is ruled by nerds who want to keep it to themselves by obfuscating data into such tiny samples that it becomes meaningless for the majority. 






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