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Cobra6 #21 Posted 17 December 2018 - 11:23 AM

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It's completely broken compared to it's regular tech tree peers, but compared to all the recent T8 premiums it's balanced.

That says more about recent T8 premium balancing though.

 

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Commander_MC_Flabby #22 Posted 17 December 2018 - 11:38 AM

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The_Georgian_One #23 Posted 17 December 2018 - 11:57 AM

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View PostNoobySkooby, on 17 December 2018 - 10:52 AM, said:

 

Maybe but more often than not it don't see tier 7's, mainly nines and tens, and as someone else pointed out elsewhere, the gun is not the best.
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Nope probably your skill, tank itself nothing special, just more over hype tanks in the game.

 

 A tank shouldn't be balanced around the fact that it sees tier 10s often.

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View PostThe_Georgian_One, on 17 December 2018 - 10:57 AM, said:

 

 A tank shouldn't be balanced around the fact that it sees tier 10s often.

 

I agree,   I have both the 252 and Defender (from the "loot boxes") and dont play it often as its more idiot prood that any other tier 8 tank, I have something stupid like a 65% WR in the 252, If I played it exclusivly I could easy manipulate my overall WR... My defender is just going to sit there as I just dont play the tanks.

 

Thats not my skill, thats the broken tank.  The IS3A is just better than the IS3, whats not to like about it, you dump your load, then you're a normal IS3.  But I find it quite fun to play.



gadguru #25 Posted 17 December 2018 - 12:05 PM

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is3a is broken? nah not really.. 

 

I see scorpions and the russian scorpion do the same damage numbers, and they do it with sniping from the back.

No one compains about that?

Wait for the statistics i would say before judging by a streamers opinion, or when you just saw the tank having a good game.



FatigueGalaxy #26 Posted 17 December 2018 - 12:21 PM

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View PostCobra6, on 17 December 2018 - 11:23 AM, said:

It's completely broken compared to it's regular tech tree peers, but compared to all the recent T8 premiums it's balanced.

That says more about recent T8 premium balancing though.

 

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No? They strong, OP and often annoying to play against but IS-3A is just a completely new level. Nothing else makes lives of tier 5-8 tanks more miserable than an IS-3 with 1170 burst. And after he's done with his initial burst, you have a slightly worse IS-3 to fight.

So it's not balanced compared to recent T8 premiums. They are all strong, too strong compared to regular vehicles but IS-3A is broken.


Edited by FatigueGalaxy, 17 December 2018 - 12:22 PM.


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View PostFatigueGalaxy, on 17 December 2018 - 12:21 PM, said:

 

No? They strong, OP and often annoying to play against but IS-3A is just a completely new level. Nothing else makes lives of tier 5-8 tanks more miserable than an IS-3 with 1170 burst. And after he's done with his initial burst, you have a slightly worse IS-3 to fight.

So it's not balanced compared to recent T8 premiums. They are all strong, too strong compared to regular vehicles but IS-3A is broken.

 

Actually IMHO IS3 Is far from being the most OP tank against tier 6-8 (tier 5 don't meet the IS3A) The O-HO, Defender, VK are much worst to play against, even the Lowe.

Edited by pecopad, 17 December 2018 - 12:36 PM.


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View PostThe_Georgian_One, on 17 December 2018 - 11:57 AM, said:

 

 A tank shouldn't be balanced around the fact that it sees tier 10s often.

No. A tank should be balanced around its own tier, T8 tanks in this case.

 

That WG created a useless matchmaker is not a reason to say powercreep is fine and ok.



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Defender and now the IS3a are clearly one thing and that is a "business decision".

 

I wonder if the MM system was also a business decision.

 

Making premium ammo available for credits and reworking armor profiles was almost certainly one as well. 



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View Postpecopad, on 17 December 2018 - 11:36 AM, said:

 

Actually IMHO IS3 Is far from being the most OP tank against tier 6-8 (tier 5 don't meet the IS3A) The O-HO, Defender, VK are much worst to play against, even the Lowe.

 

Pffff

All of those tanks cant clip you with absolutely no drawbacks.. The amount of IS-3A which just yolo over the hill and kill me in my P43 Ter i just ridiculous and i'm dead almost immediately cause even if he manages to mess up his three shells guess what???? Yeah he can reload another one in 10 seconds!

BALANCE

For anyone who doesn't see this as completely stupid and utterly broken in terms of game balance is just being so naive  



HeroThePilot #31 Posted 17 December 2018 - 02:15 PM

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I got one, played few matches in it, accuracy kills this things potential to shoot at long ranges but its a Russian gun anyway

 

 

besides this its real OP features IMO is the autoloader and the fact it has a fast reload with the first round (10 sec) and thats pretty much it.


Edited by HeroThePilot, 17 December 2018 - 02:20 PM.


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View PostZlatanArKung, on 17 December 2018 - 09:48 AM, said:

 

I see the IS-3A is not enough p2w for you.

 

There is NEVER enough P2W for me. Only poor people and freeloaders complain about P2W.

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View Postpecopad, on 17 December 2018 - 12:36 PM, said:

 

Actually IMHO IS3 Is far from being the most OP tank against tier 6-8 (tier 5 don't meet the IS3A) The O-HO, Defender, VK are much worst to play against, even the Lowe.

 

Looks like something IS-3A owner would say. Regular IS-3 is already a big low tier bully and premium variant has 3-shot clip on top of that.

O-Ho has a derp so often there is an equal chance he will miss me, do insignificant damage or pen me with HE in my paper tier 7 tank. But it's big, slow and can't really chase me because he is slow and once he leaves his advantageous position, he dies quickly to campers and arty. Also, long reload gives me plenty of time to something so he won't hit me again.

VK is more difficult to deal with but it's still a slow tank so I can just leave it or avoid it. Defender is even worse but in the worst scenario I can at least snipe his cupolas and do some damage. IS-3A? If it comes at me I'm either dead or left with less than half HP or less. Sure, same deal as with other autoloaders. Except if they make a mistake I have plenty of time to punish them and then retreat before they reload. IS-3A fires almost as fast as regular IS-3 with empty clip - where is my counter-play?



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View PostThe_Wallet_Warrior, on 17 December 2018 - 02:40 PM, said:

 

There is NEVER enough P2W for me. Only poor people and freeloaders complain about P2W.

 

Considering several streamers who have invested a lot of time and money into the game thinks it has been over-buffed and become broken and/or OP you are just wrong.



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View Postpathed91, on 17 December 2018 - 05:49 PM, said:

 

Considering several streamers who have invested a lot of time and money into the game thinks it has been over-buffed and become broken and/or OP you are just wrong.

 

They have their opinion, I have my opinion and I dare say that you have your own opinion too. However, going by your comment, you are probably a sheep that merely follows what you perceive to be the most popular opinion as all typical virtue signallers like yourself do. 

 

Pray tell who made "several streamers" the ultimate and final arbiters of what is and is not? 



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View PostThe_Wallet_Warrior, on 17 December 2018 - 06:54 PM, said:

 

They have their opinion, I have my opinion and I dare say that you have your own opinion too. However, going by your comment, you are probably a sheep that merely follows what you perceive to be the most popular opinion as all typical virtue signallers like yourself do. 

 

Pray tell who made "several streamers" the ultimate and final arbiters of what is and is not? 

 

This is all one giant ad hominem and you know it. Let's go back to what you said

 

View PostThe_Wallet_Warrior, on 17 December 2018 - 02:40 PM, said:

 

Only poor people and freeloaders complain about P2W.

 

I only gave the counter argument that people who have paid a lot of money actually care about game balance and think that P2W is bad for the game. It has nothing to do with being a "sheep that merely follows what you percieve to be the most popular opinion".

 

But whatever, keep strawmanning people who point out how your mindset is detrimental to the quality of the game.



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View Postpathed91, on 17 December 2018 - 06:03 PM, said:

 

This is all one giant ad hominem and you know it. Let's go back to what you said

 

 

I only gave the counter argument that people who have paid a lot of money actually care about game balance and think that P2W is bad for the game. It has nothing to do with being a "sheep that merely follows what you percieve to be the most popular opinion".

 

But whatever, keep strawmanning people who point out how your mindset is detrimental to the quality of the game.

 

Why are you applying logical fallacies to a situation where we are not having a debate? Besides strawman arguments only happen if I was making your comment apropos streamers into something which you had not argued, but the fact is that you left your statement so loose and open to interpretation that no strawman was built. If you're going to act like a pseudo-intellectual then at least apply logical fallacies correctly instead of looking like an [edited]to the actual intellectuals. 



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View PostThe_Wallet_Warrior, on 17 December 2018 - 07:18 PM, said:

 

Why are you applying logical fallacies to a situation where we are not having a debate?

 

Because you made logical fallacies, obviously. You just started making crapup about me without responding to the point I was making.

 

View PostThe_Wallet_Warrior, on 17 December 2018 - 07:18 PM, said:

 

Besides strawman arguments only happen if I was making your comment apropos streamers into something which you had not argued, but the fact is that you left your statement so loose and open to interpretation that no strawman was built.

 

I used streamers as an example of people who put a lot of money into the game as proof you were wrong in you statement that only freeloaders complain about P2W. You went off a tangent and basically called me a fanboy when you said "you are probably a sheep that merely follows what you perceive to be the most popular opinion as all typical virtue signallers like yourself do", which is the strawman.

 

View PostThe_Wallet_Warrior, on 17 December 2018 - 07:18 PM, said:

If you're going to act like a pseudo-intellectual then at least apply logical fallacies correctly instead of looking like an [edited]to the actual intellectuals. 

 

I did apply it correctly, and implying that you are an actual intellectual is just hilarious considering your thread started as nothing more than a shitpost trying to troll people.



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View Postpathed91, on 17 December 2018 - 06:30 PM, said:

WROTE A SALTY ESSAY.

 

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pathed91 #40 Posted 17 December 2018 - 07:36 PM

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View PostThe_Wallet_Warrior, on 17 December 2018 - 07:35 PM, said:

 

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Thank you for proving that you are indeed just trolling.





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