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Poll: What do you think of Italian T5 to T8 tanks? (49 members have cast votes)

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How do you feel about tier 5 Italian? P.43

  1. Below average. (13 votes [26.53%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 26.53%

  2. Mediocre. (30 votes [61.22%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 61.22%

  3. Above average. (6 votes [12.24%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 12.24%

How do you feel about tier 6 Italian? P.43 bis

  1. Below average. (11 votes [22.45%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 22.45%

  2. Mediocre. (26 votes [53.06%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 53.06%

  3. Above average. (12 votes [24.49%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 24.49%

How do you feel about tier 7 Italian? P.43 ter

  1. Below average. (13 votes [26.53%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 26.53%

  2. Mediocre. (21 votes [42.86%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 42.86%

  3. Above average. (15 votes [30.61%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 30.61%

How do you feel about tier 8 Italian? P.44 Pantera

  1. Below average. (1 vote [2.04%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 2.04%

  2. Mediocre. (14 votes [28.57%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 28.57%

  3. Above average. (34 votes [69.39%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 69.39%

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_cro_magnon #1 Posted 23 December 2018 - 12:28 AM

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OK everyone, care to share the impressions of Italian middle tiers? I'm probably pick this line up sometime, so I was wondering what I'm up against. I'm just gonna add simple poll if you don't want to write your impressions.

 

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Tactical_Spoon #2 Posted 23 December 2018 - 12:55 AM

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View Postcro001, on 23 December 2018 - 12:28 AM, said:

OK everyone, care to share the impressions of Italian middle tiers? I'm probably pick this line up sometime, so I was wondering what I'm up against. I'm just gonna add simple poll if you don't want to write your impressions.

 

Thanks.

 

Tier 5 is eh...sluggish ,same with tier 6 (but the 240 alpha gun makes it the heaviest hitting medium, peak-a-boo in towns with heavies and you'll do fine. Be aware the 5, 6 and 7 all have shocking shell velocities at like 700 m/s or something. 

 

The tier 7 is OK and pretty playable, I had a 2600 WN8 and 58% WR in mine, it's more mobile than the tier 6 with better terrain resistances and I believe a bit better engine power but still not extremely mobile.

 

Tier 8 is great but still worse than the premium version - finally a mobile tank with good power to weight . Tier 8 is probably the best tech tree medium, had a lot of fun with mine despite the terrible MM and got it done in around 90 battles (free exp'd the top gun, just be aware you only get a 2 shot autoreloader without the top turret). 

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Forgot to add, I'm currently on the Standard B and even without the top engine it's a really strong tank. I'd keep up the grind even if it's just for the tier 9.

_cro_magnon #3 Posted 23 December 2018 - 06:05 PM

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View PostTactical_Spoon, on 23 December 2018 - 12:55 AM, said:

Forgot to add, I'm currently on the Standard B and even without the top engine it's a really strong tank. I'd keep up the grind even if it's just for the tier 9.

 

Yeah I know tier 9 and 10 are pretty strong and fun but I'm not really keen on grinding tanks, especially bad ones.



Tactical_Spoon #4 Posted 23 December 2018 - 06:11 PM

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View Postcro001, on 23 December 2018 - 06:05 PM, said:

 

Yeah I know tier 9 and 10 are pretty strong and fun but I'm not really keen on grinding tanks, especially bad ones.

 

 

Well the 7 is average and the 8 is very good, but you'd have to grind through a annoyingly sluggish tier 5 + 6 to get to the average and better.



Oldewolfe #5 Posted 24 December 2018 - 06:29 PM

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Tier 5 was Below Avg at Best, this one was the Start of my Disappointment that Carried Over to the Tier 6....       Tier 6 was also Unremarkable, but some make it Work and rather Enjoy it so I call it Meh, Mediocre pretty much fits it.....

 

The Tier 7 is actually what the Top Tier 6 Should be....     Even without a Trained Crew in it, it actaully still performs Nicely....     It has Better Speed and Gun Handling than the Tier 6 by Miles....

 

As for the Tier 8 Pantera, what is there to say...       If you have any Experience with Autoloaders you'll be Right at Home...       AND, you'll have the added Benefit of Versatility you'd been Wishing for in your other Autoloaders.....

 

As for the Line as a Whole, I kept nearly EVERY Tank in the Line, and I have Crews for Most of them....        It was the LEAST Painful Line to Grind thru for me as I had the Prog 46 already, so Crews for Tiers 5 in Up were already Progressing before the Line Hit.....



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View PostOldewolfe, on 24 December 2018 - 06:29 PM, said:

Tier 5 was Below Avg at Best, this one was the Start of my Disappointment that Carried Over to the Tier 6....       Tier 6 was also Unremarkable, but some make it Work and rather Enjoy it so I call it Meh, Mediocre pretty much fits it.....

 

The Tier 7 is actually what the Top Tier 6 Should be....     Even without a Trained Crew in it, it actaully still performs Nicely....     It has Better Speed and Gun Handling than the Tier 6 by Miles....

 

As for the Tier 8 Pantera, what is there to say...       If you have any Experience with Autoloaders you'll be Right at Home...       AND, you'll have the added Benefit of Versatility you'd been Wishing for in your other Autoloaders.....

 

As for the Line as a Whole, I kept nearly EVERY Tank in the Line, and I have Crews for Most of them....        It was the LEAST Painful Line to Grind thru for me as I had the Prog 46 already, so Crews for Tiers 5 in Up were already Progressing before the Line Hit.....

 

Thanks for the input.

Tactical_Spoon #7 Posted 26 December 2018 - 12:07 AM

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View PostOldewolfe, on 24 December 2018 - 06:29 PM, said:

Tier 5 was Below Avg at Best, this one was the Start of my Disappointment that Carried Over to the Tier 6....       Tier 6 was also Unremarkable, but some make it Work and rather Enjoy it so I call it Meh, Mediocre pretty much fits it.....

 

The Tier 7 is actually what the Top Tier 6 Should be....     Even without a Trained Crew in it, it actaully still performs Nicely....     It has Better Speed and Gun Handling than the Tier 6 by Miles....

 

As for the Tier 8 Pantera, what is there to say...       If you have any Experience with Autoloaders you'll be Right at Home...       AND, you'll have the added Benefit of Versatility you'd been Wishing for in your other Autoloaders.....

 

As for the Line as a Whole, I kept nearly EVERY Tank in the Line, and I have Crews for Most of them....        It was the LEAST Painful Line to Grind thru for me as I had the Prog 46 already, so Crews for Tiers 5 in Up were already Progressing before the Line Hit.....

 

I don't even have the Progetto 46 and the grind still isn't painful haha. Tempted to chuck in the Christmas girls into my Standard B  or the Progetto 65 when I get it and if I like it. 

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View PostTactical_Spoon, on 26 December 2018 - 12:07 AM, said:

 

I don't even have the Progetto 46 and the grind still isn't painful haha. Tempted to chuck in the Christmas girls into my Standard B  or the Progetto 65 when I get it and if I like it. 

I have Buffon and 3 Christmas girls since the pantera, currently sitting in my P 65. Worth it.



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Am i the only one that had the impression that the gun's precision of the p 43 bis was lower than what is shown on paper? Because i wonder, with crew now 100% and two skills why my shots are always so wide...

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View PostThe_Jk, on 08 January 2019 - 01:43 PM, said:

Am i the only one that had the impression that the gun's precision of the p 43 bis was lower than what is shown on paper? Because i wonder, with crew now 100% and two skills why my shots are always so wide...

 

Cause it is a derpy gun and that means it will get bad RNG most the time and that leads to many missed shots.

MkH #11 Posted 13 January 2019 - 12:03 AM

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T5 was bad. While the 70mm/175 damage HE pen wrecked everything on tier 4, you need good AP pen on tier 5. You don't really get it with this one. Or anything else.

 

T6 was decent. Awesome alpha damage for its tier, excellent dpm. Everything else was mediocre. However you are able to just brutalize most opponents through sheer DPM and alpha damage: whether they want to take trade shots around corners, or fight head on, you will beat them regardless.

 

T7 didn't work at all for me. I guess it's a lot like the Swedish Leo in terms of gameplay (which I also failed with). Good mobility and should be a nice brawler, but you get awful matchmaking. My DPG was pretty much the same with t6 and t7 (1186 vs 1206 - Leo DPG 1214 btw.). Felt like the longest grind in the entire line. With better gun handling it would have been an excellent vehicle though. Now it's mostly limited to very close range brawling in my opinion.

 

T8 was good, although I couldn't quite make it work as well as I would have liked - I wasn't really familiar with the map changes and new meta after a lengthy break, so I got raped by high tier TDs in a lot of games. The improved turret makes a huge difference with massively improved gun depression, improved gun handling, increased magazine size and increased armor. Possibly the most important module upgrade in the game.

 

From tier 8 onwards it was easy sailing. The Prototipo Standard B is a beast, with it's only flaw being mediocre gun handling (better gun handling would have made it completely OP). The tier 10 is probably my favorite top tier vehicle already, after just 11 games.


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TER Tier for Tier is one huge downgrade from the BIS

 

Especially the lack of decent gold pen hurts when you cannot flank enemies.


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View PostMkH, on 13 January 2019 - 12:03 AM, said:

T5 was bad. While the 70mm/175 damage HE pen wrecked everything on tier 4, you need good AP pen on tier 5. You don't really get it with this one. Or anything else.

 

T6 was decent. Awesome alpha damage for its tier, excellent dpm. Everything else was mediocre. However you are able to just brutalize most opponents through sheer DPM and alpha damage: whether they want to take trade shots around corners, or fight head on, you will beat them regardless.

 

Seeing how I ground(?, is that a word even) through these two, I'd say I agree with T5, it's rather underwhelming. Quite forgettable tank at that too. T6 on the other hand. Oh boy. This one I hated. Potato thrower as gun and mobility of 3 legged horse. It has quite effective DPM/Alpha combination but that's pretty much only thing it has going for it IMO. I preferred T25 Skoda and Strv 74 over it.

 

We'll see how T7 will turn out, I liked Swedish Leo and this one looks promising to me.



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My stats in the tier 5 and tier 6 look OK on paper (for me... I am not a good player), but I found the experience in the P43bis to be such that I abandoned the line after researching (but not buying) the tier 7. Expecially considering that I don't get along well with the Progetto 46.


 

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I got over the P.43 Ter and that one isn't really spectacular in any way. So far Italians got nothing to show for.

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Finished the P44 Pantera. Damn, this is really nice tank that I'll keep for SHs when I'm forced to play competitive tank. Quite mobile, has extremely reliable gun and is very flexible. Overall quite nice tank in not so nice tier.

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I have good stats in the T5 and T6, but i hated both of these tanks.

 

T5 is mediocre, the mini-derp does not work at t5 anymore.

T6 made me hate myself for playing it (60% winrate in it btw), sluggish, little armor and the gun handling does not allow any form of snapping.

T7 is lacking in pen, lacking in gun handling, sacrifices an equipment slot for vstab (not a bonus when most t7 meds don't need to do it ... more of a downside tbh), and in some ways it feels like it wants to go faster, but it is held back. Ppl compare it with the Leo ... but it's not right comparison ... Leo is a much better tank than the P.43 ter.

 

Both t6/t7 lack in pen, and while on paper they have alpha, they are neutered in how they apply that alpha/dpm through lousy pen, lousy gun handling and lousy mobility.

Having done the polish line previously i have to say ... i miss the polish line. t6 polish was slow but ok-ish, t7 was fine-ish as a heavy, had nice gun. Even the t5 polish was better (decent sniper/support tank).

 

I have high hopes for the T8 though.


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View PostVarzA, on 11 April 2019 - 07:19 AM, said:

I have high hopes for the T8 though.

 

T8/9/10 are all great.



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The P.43 is ridiculous with that 70 pen HE shell.

 

The P.43 bis is god. I thought I loved 240 alpha tier 7 mediums (T20 and T34/100), then I got this thing. Nice and bouncy upper plate as well when fighting same and lower tier tanks.

 

Both feel a little sluggish and were awful to play with stock engines.






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