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Tier 5, 6 & 7 lights are mediums, not scouts


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Eyebot #21 Posted 06 January 2012 - 10:16 AM

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View PostDabeko, on 06 January 2012 - 09:37 AM, said:

Its worse then other tier 5 scouts coz he cost 300k credits less, need less xp to unlock, i dont know that repair bill yet but im sure that its less too... and from AMX u can grind next tanks. It shouldnt be compared to other t5 light tanks

yeah .. the AMX12t is treated by the matchmaker like a tier 4.5 light.

it's lowest battle tier higher than on tier 4 lights.
it's highest battle tier is the same as for tier 4 lights.

LeeTErik #22 Posted 06 January 2012 - 11:27 AM

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Any tank on the light/medium line can elevate his gun, or i must live with that? Im at tier5 now, and its horrible that i cant shoot a tank infront of me if he is on a higher ground.

Arkhell #23 Posted 06 January 2012 - 01:02 PM

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jep it's thanks to the turret design, it's very stable on the move but can't shoot up (most tanks don't really have to shoot up irl :P )

Chronoes #24 Posted 06 January 2012 - 01:53 PM

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View PostDabeko, on 06 January 2012 - 09:37 AM, said:

Its worse then other tier 5 scouts coz he cost 300k credits less, need less xp to unlock, i dont know that repair bill yet but im sure that its less too... and from AMX u can grind next tanks. It shouldnt be compared to other t5 light tanks

Just what Eyebot mentioned, it is treated by MM as a Tier 5 light of other nation tech trees, that is why comparison must be made.

RokRoland #25 Posted 06 January 2012 - 02:55 PM

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View PostArkhell, on 06 January 2012 - 01:02 PM, said:

jep it's thanks to the turret design, it's very stable on the move but can't shoot up (most tanks don't really have to shoot up irl :P )

Yeap and so the Russians thought when they brought their T-72s to Afghanistan, where one finds steep hills as well as shooting at buildings in cities... No fun for a tank commander to be RPG'd from above with relative impunity.

So you'd be better off saying "most tanks can't shoot up" but they rather would but there's huge design tradeoffs to be made there.

Krzystos #26 Posted 06 January 2012 - 07:46 PM

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Do you know the repair cost of tier 5,6,7 lights?

tapi0 #27 Posted 06 January 2012 - 08:05 PM

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French tier 4-5 light tanks should be treated in matchmaking so that they would not be at same match with higher tier tanks than their own tier. Tier 6 light should be at max with same as other regions tier 4 lights and French tier 7 light same as other regions tier 5 lights.

IamSalvation #28 Posted 07 January 2012 - 01:42 PM

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Problem is: It has the same MM as other T5 Lights!

Panocek #29 Posted 07 January 2012 - 02:04 PM

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AMX 12t have repair cost around 3k, AMX 13/75 have about 5k. So on par with same tier mediums/heavies.

Not sure on 13/90 though.

Rallief #30 Posted 07 January 2012 - 02:24 PM

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Although I did recieve a scout medal using the AMX 13 75. ;)

scafa #31 Posted 07 January 2012 - 04:40 PM

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View PostIamSalvation, on 07 January 2012 - 01:42 PM, said:

Problem is: It has the same MM as other T5 Lights!
No, no it does not. Why post something like this when you can just take a look at the matchmaking chart for 0.7.1 to see it's not true?

Hornet331 #32 Posted 07 January 2012 - 07:09 PM

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View Postscafa, on 07 January 2012 - 04:40 PM, said:

No, no it does not. Why post something like this when you can just take a look at the matchmaking chart for 0.7.1 to see it's not true?

Because if you look at the chart you see it was edited at the 6th.. so yesterday.. there was an older chart where no extra AMX12t section was.. and the T5 light secton applied.. yeah so fater huge complaines they fixed that...

Now lets please look at the AMX 13/90 and the AMX13/75 MM value.. now look at the Lorrain MM value... yfw.. http://forum.worldof.../Smile_harp.gif

scafa #33 Posted 07 January 2012 - 10:52 PM

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View PostHornet331, on 07 January 2012 - 07:09 PM, said:

Because if you look at the chart you see it was edited at the 6th.. so yesterday.. there was an older chart where no extra AMX12t section was.. and the T5 light secton applied.. yeah so fater huge complaines they fixed that...

Now lets please look at the AMX 13/90 and the AMX13/75 MM value.. now look at the Lorrain MM value... yfw.. http://forum.worldof.../Smile_harp.gif
Yes, the older chart was for 0.7.0 so no wonder AMX 12t did not appear there. If you looked on the test server section of the forums, you'd see that this new chart was already in use then. Mind you, I think the current matchmaking for AMX 12t is a little harsh and it could do with the same matchmaking as tier 5 mediums. Now it has the same as tier 6 mediums.

AMX 13 75 has the matchmaking of tier 7 heavies and AMX 13 90 that of tier 9 heavies. I'm only up to AMX 13 75 on EU server and making do although meeting tier 10 heavies can be discouraging. AMX 13 90 worked fine on test, but I'll reserve judgement until I've run it in normal games. Lorraine is too large to be played in the same way as the lights and I didn't much like it on test either.

Zulway #34 Posted 08 January 2012 - 11:00 AM

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well the last few light tanks at least are really fast, so they might be able to scout, even when they could do other things better.
But the T4 light already is a joke: getting matched up with t8+ tanks, where he's just useless, since he can't even scout because he is so slow, he will be the last one to see the enemies. and damaging enemies is just impossible in higher tiers. Well, actually I damaged an IS for FOUR damage after bouncing several times.




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