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ThinGun #1 Posted 29 December 2018 - 07:01 PM

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Heated debate in a recent game - are proxy and proximity spotting the same thing?

I'd always thought that proxy spotting is what happens when you are notified of an enemy's position by another player - i.e. they act as a proxy for you, whereas proximity spotting is .. well ... you see anything in a 50m range. 

 

Someone else thought different.  Admittedly, English wasn't his first language, but ... are they the same thing, or are they different?



Wintermute_1 #2 Posted 29 December 2018 - 07:06 PM

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Proxy spotting is when you get within 50m of an enemy and they light up automatically, Line of sight or not.

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View PostWintermute_1, on 29 December 2018 - 07:06 PM, said:

Proxy spotting is when you get within 50m of an enemy and they light up automatically, Line of sight or not.

 

I understand that is PROXIMITY spotting.  Where's the proxy in it?

I'm assuming you know what a 'proxy' is.  Of is it just used as an abominated abbreviation in this case?

 



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View PostThinGun, on 29 December 2018 - 06:08 PM, said:

 

I understand that is PROXIMITY spotting.  Where's the proxy in it?

I'm assuming you know what a 'proxy' is.  Of is it just used as an abominated abbreviation in this case?

 

 

They just gave you the correct answer in the context of WoT. Where’s the problem in that?

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View PostThinGun, on 29 December 2018 - 07:08 PM, said:

 

I understand that is PROXIMITY spotting.  Where's the proxy in it?

I'm assuming you know what a 'proxy' is.  Of is it just used as an abominated abbreviation in this case?

 

 

They are the same thing. Its a contraction of the word proximity, that's all.

ThinGun #6 Posted 29 December 2018 - 07:14 PM

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View Postjabster, on 29 December 2018 - 07:11 PM, said:

 

They just gave you the correct answer in the context of WoT. Where’s the problem in that?

 

The problem is, it wasn't explained properly.  Now run along and troll someone else, you bore me.
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View PostWintermute_1, on 29 December 2018 - 07:11 PM, said:

 

They are the same thing. Its a contraction of the word proximity, that's all.

 

OK, thanks.  So what is it called when an enemy is spotted by someone else, i.e when someone acts as a proxy for you?

UrQuan #7 Posted 29 December 2018 - 07:18 PM

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View PostThinGun, on 29 December 2018 - 07:14 PM, said:

 

OK, thanks.  So what is it called when an enemy is spotted by someone else, i.e when someone acts as a proxy for you?

 

Spotting



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View PostThinGun, on 29 December 2018 - 07:14 PM, said:

 

The problem is, it wasn't explained properly.  Now run along and troll someone else, you bore me.
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OK, thanks.  So what is it called when an enemy is spotted by someone else, i.e when someone acts as a proxy for you?

 

Assisted spotting, you are spotting with assistance. That's what I'd call it, WG may have a more specific term. 

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View PostUrQuan, on 29 December 2018 - 07:18 PM, said:

 

Spotting

 

OK, so what's it called when you spot someone yourself, further out than 50m ...

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Different from, 'Poxy-spotting', where a visit to a clinic is recommended.

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View PostUrQuan, on 29 December 2018 - 07:18 PM, said:

Spotting

 

:)  

 

I think he's just trying to get a term for spotting beyond your own view range though, although really that's just spotting too I guess. 



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View PostThinGun, on 29 December 2018 - 07:08 PM, said:

 

I'm assuming you know what a 'proxy' is.  Of is it just used as an abominated abbreviation in this case?

 

 

Yes.  Shorter to type in chat.

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View PostThinGun, on 29 December 2018 - 07:20 PM, said:

 

OK, so what's it called when you spot someone yourself, further out than 50m ...

 

Also spotting.

Main reason for lack of differentiation is because in quite some cases you can't tell if you are the one spotting, or a fellow tank is doing it, or even which tank is doing the spotting (and very likely multiple tanks are spotting the same target)

The tag proxy spotting being reserved for proximitty spotting is because it relies on a different method to find folks. The standard spotting looks at camo ratings, viewrange & the whole mechancis behind it, while the close range spotting (proxy) simply relies on "Is it within 50 meters? yes/no" & nothing else matters, not even solid objects between it nor line of sight.

 

Hence the need to differentiate between standard spotting (with the whole camo rating & view range & line of sight stuff) and proximity spotting (which simply relies on "is he close enough?" but no real need to differentiate between two tanks spotting targets. They spot & it is hard to tell which ones are spotting, especially as multiple tanks can be spotting, even not on purpose (so much random spotting damage you can get as HT/TD, even tho you're not actively doing spotting duty)


Edited by UrQuan, 29 December 2018 - 07:35 PM.


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Others already answered it, the WoT community just shortened "proximity" to "proxy" for ease of use.

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View PostThinGun, on 29 December 2018 - 07:20 PM, said:

OK, so what's it called when you spot someone yourself, further out than 50m ...

Spotting. Proxy spotting is short for proximity spotting, which describes the one and only exception from the spotting calculations. Everything else is just normal spotting. There are just those two different kinds of spotting mechanics.


Edited by Jigabachi, 29 December 2018 - 08:03 PM.


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It isn't an abbreviation. As the above replies indicate, to the WOT community proximity means 'proxy', nearly everything is a 'hill', a horse has 5 legs if you call its tail a limb, and you need some sort of animation or manga avatar to use this forum. Additionally, if you want to discuss language (English, in this case), walk to the nearest kebab shop and ask from the first Pakistani / Englishman you see. This forum isn't the place.

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View PostPanzerKFeldherrnhalle, on 29 December 2018 - 08:27 PM, said:

It isn't an abbreviation. As the above replies indicate, to the WOT community proximity means 'proxy', nearly everything is a 'hill', a horse has 5 legs if you call its tail a limb, and you need some sort of animation or manga avatar to use this forum. Additionally, if you want to discuss language (English, in this case), walk to the nearest kebab shop and ask from the first Pakistani / Englishman you see. This forum isn't the place.

 

With respect, the only reason there is confusion is because of misuse of language.  Proxy isn't JUST a term shortened from 'proximity', it also describes the very mechanism of assisted spotting (i.e. using a proxy to spot on your behalf).  It very much does require a discussion.  If you don't want to read such a discussion, just ignore it - no need to get snitty about it.  Happy Christmas.

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proxy spotting = proximity spotting

 

it's just shorter to type.

 

If you can even call it spotting, you'd probably call someone spotting for you, "spotting by proxy" instead of "proxy spotting".



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View PostThinGun, on 29 December 2018 - 09:23 PM, said:

With respect, the only reason there is confusion is because of misuse of language.  Proxy isn't JUST a term shortened from 'proximity', it also describes the very mechanism of assisted spotting (i.e. using a proxy to spot on your behalf).  It very much does require a discussion.  If you don't want to read such a discussion, just ignore it - no need to get snitty about it.  Happy Christmas.

In my whole time playing this game over all those years (and I'm a rather communicative player), I've never ever heard anyone using "proxy spotting" that way. Never. No confusion, except you insist on it.

That said, you are just trying to start one of your silly discussions again.


Edited by Jigabachi, 30 December 2018 - 08:34 AM.


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View PostPanzerKFeldherrnhalle, on 29 December 2018 - 08:27 PM, said:

...and you need some sort of animation or manga avatar to use this forum.

 

...nah, you just need some free time to bother with putting them in your pfp/signature. Not to mention cropping and editing!




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