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_Conan_Librarian_ #1 Posted 30 December 2018 - 12:02 AM

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Why this tank is at T9? No armor at all, every t8 pen easly, long [edited]reload for so called alpha made this tank obsolete piece of trash. Oh i forgot, its not magic russian . *edited*, 9 of 10 tanks a useless crap. Hope this imaginary TX will be worth anything. 

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Nishi_Kinuyo #2 Posted 30 December 2018 - 12:14 AM

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Here's a pro tip: don't angle in it.

barison1 #3 Posted 30 December 2018 - 12:20 AM

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turret is pretty darn good, frontplate is autoricochet angle for AP/APCR. only the drivers hatch and lowerplate are weak. while drivers hatch isnt garanteed pen either

looks real weak indeed :trollface:



MeNoobTank #4 Posted 30 December 2018 - 01:01 AM

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This tank is actually powercreeping some older tanks and you say it is bad ? It is a hulldown machine not for sidescraping. Try IS-4 line for that.

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Qarina #5 Posted 30 December 2018 - 01:33 AM

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This is amazing tank, by far my favourite.

I can't get tired to play it. It has amazing alpha, very good gun handling, good pen and sorta decent armor.

The tank is a beast, you shoot 5 times and already have 3000 dmg. Rip all the people who thought its a good idea to trade hits with you.

 

If you expect to hold positions with sidescraping - well that's not gonna work. But there are other things you could adopt to make it work.


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ares354 #6 Posted 30 December 2018 - 11:51 AM

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View PostQarina, on 30 December 2018 - 01:33 AM, said:

This is amazing tank, by far my favourite.

I can't get tired to play it. It has amazing alpha, very good gun handling, good pen and sorta decent armor.

The tank is a beast, you shoot 5 times and already have 3000 dmg. Rip all the people who thought its a good idea to trade hits with you.

 

If you expect to hold positions with sidescraping - well that's not gonna work. But there are other things you could adopt to make it work.

 

Tortoise disagree with this. After third shoot you will be log dead. Armor on hull vs 259 mm pen is not working at all, turret is by far average, better then Nazi one, but only them. Pen is nothing special. 

That all vs fighting him, I dont own them, I wont give WG free EXP to exp tanks because they made them unplayable on many tiers. 

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View Postares354, on 30 December 2018 - 11:51 AM, said:

 

Tortoise disagree with this. After third shoot you will be log dead. Armor on hull vs 259 mm pen is not working at all, turret is by far average, better then Nazi one, but only them. Pen is nothing special. 

That all vs fighting him, I dont own them, I wont give WG free EXP to exp tanks because they made them unplayable on many tiers. 

 

Yes cause it's a good idea to fight head  on vs  a tortie, in what tank exactly?

ares354 #8 Posted 30 December 2018 - 01:23 PM

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View PostRaxipIx, on 30 December 2018 - 12:57 PM, said:

 

Yes cause it's a good idea to fight head  on vs  a tortie, in what tank exactly?

 

Badger, 268v4, 705 with hidden lower plate because Russia cant have weakspot on turret. 

ares354 #9 Posted 30 December 2018 - 01:40 PM

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Comparing T10 tanks you T9 tanks and claiming the T10 tank have the upper hand. Staggering news.

 

Tortoise is a very strong T9 tank and can devetate all other T9 tanks in game if they are both on open terrain without any cover.

 
How long do you play this game. We both know times when tier IX was last TD tank, and you could win fight vs tier X HT. 

And 705 will rekt Tortoise because russia dont have weakspot on turret, in this line, from tier IX. And E5, tier X cant fight Tortoise because unlike Soviet, he have wekaspot on hull and turret, so yea.  

 



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View Postares354, on 30 December 2018 - 01:40 PM, said:

 
How long do you play this game. We both know times when tier IX was last TD tank, and you could win fight vs tier X HT. 

And 705 will rekt Tortoise because russia dont have weakspot on turret, in this line, from tier IX. And E5, tier X cant fight Tortoise because unlike Soviet, he have wekaspot on hull and turret, so yea.  

 

Tortoise will reck 705 if they are on flat ground and between 50m and 445m apart. 

 

If the 705 use terrain to his advantage and the tortoise don't, then the situation is different.

 

But I agree, 705 and Russian tanks should have turret weakspots.

Just like Super Conq should have turret weakspot.

 

But WG is just useless at rewarding skill on this game, or seems to think that skill (as in better stats) is something that you should get of you pay more money.



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View PostLordMuffin, on 30 December 2018 - 01:47 PM, said:

Tortoise will reck 705 if they are on flat ground and between 50m and 445m apart. 

 

If the 705 use terrain to his advantage and the tortoise don't, then the situation is different.

 

But I agree, 705 and Russian tanks should have turret weakspots.

Just like Super Conq should have turret weakspot.

 

But WG is just useless at rewarding skill on this game, or seems to think that skill (as in better stats) is something that you should get of you pay more money.

 

No he wont. If you dont see lower plate, AP wont pen upper and turret is immune to your APCR. 

Tortoise ACPR wont pen 705 turret, 705 APCR or HEAT will pen Tortoise front even if he use bulding to cover cupola. 

Look on this; Old VK auf B, even when was in very OP state, have cupola weakspot, and still have turret that gold or high AP pen would pen, but not soviets. Skill was killed. And overbuffed Tortie and T95 just add more powercreep. 

That why 50Tp look silly. He would fit this game fine, in 2014. Now days, hes armor is nothing. He, 60TP are balanced like old days, strange. 

Edited by ares354, 30 December 2018 - 01:52 PM.


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View Postares354, on 30 December 2018 - 01:51 PM, said:

 

No he wont. If you dont see lower plate, AP wont pen upper and turret is immune to your APCR. 

Tortoise ACPR wont pen 705 turret, 705 APCR or HEAT will pen Tortoise front even if he use bulding to cover cupola. 

Look on this; Old VK auf B, even when was in very OP state, have cupola weakspot, and still have turret that gold or high AP pen would pen, but not soviets. Skill was killed. And overbuffed Tortie and T95 just add more powercreep. 

That why 50Tp look silly. He would fit this game fine, in 2014. Now days, hes armor is nothing. He, 60TP are balanced like old days, strange. 

obj705 isnt that strong, turret and side armor is only thing it can somewhat rely on, not the front hull. 75% chance for APCR and 40% chance for AP for the upperhull

while obj705 has 2.4k ish dpm and tort 4k dpm, pretty darn sure tort will rip it apart unless 705 is full hulldown, then it could stand a chance



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View Postares354, on 30 December 2018 - 01:51 PM, said:

 

Tortoise disagree with this. After third shoot you will be log dead. Armor on hull vs 259 mm pen is not working at all, turret is by far average, better then Nazi one, but only them. Pen is nothing special. 

That all vs fighting him, I dont own them, I wont give WG free EXP to exp tanks because they made them unplayable on many tiers. 

 

Well... yea :D

Also dont trade with mauses and type 5 heavies.

50tp is not a great brawler for the reasons you mentioned.

But it is a great peek-a-boom tank. It punishes hard.

It is similar to the russian heavies except it trades armor for better gun. For this reason I think it's superior to them - better gun handling together with more flat damage means better chance to hit them and better chance to do more damage. IMO it's overal tank than t-10 for example and t-10 is already quite good on its own

 



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View Postbarison1, on 30 December 2018 - 02:35 PM, said:

obj705 isnt that strong, turret and side armor is only thing it can somewhat rely on, not the front hull. 75% chance for APCR and 40% chance for AP for the upperhull

while obj705 has 2.4k ish dpm and tort 4k dpm, pretty darn sure tort will rip it apart unless 705 is full hulldown, then it could stand a chance

 

DPm dont matter. You can hide hull in so many place on map, that doesnt matter. What then ? You will trade 490 alpha in face for you 35ish % to chance to pen turret front if u hit right spot ? GL 

barison1 #15 Posted 30 December 2018 - 03:19 PM

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View Postares354, on 30 December 2018 - 03:01 PM, said:

 

DPm dont matter. You can hide hull in so many place on map, that doesnt matter. What then ? You will trade 490 alpha in face for you 35ish % to chance to pen turret front if u hit right spot ? GL 

 

try reading,

"obj705 isnt that strong, turret and side armor is only thing it can somewhat rely on, not the front hull. 75% chance for APCR and 40% chance for AP for the upperhull

while obj705 has 2.4k ish dpm and tort 4k dpm, pretty darn sure tort will rip it apart unless 705 is full hulldown, then it could stand a chance"



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View Postbarison1, on 30 December 2018 - 03:19 PM, said:

 

try reading,

"obj705 isnt that strong, turret and side armor is only thing it can somewhat rely on, not the front hull. 75% chance for APCR and 40% chance for AP for the upperhull

while obj705 has 2.4k ish dpm and tort 4k dpm, pretty darn sure tort will rip it apart unless 705 is full hulldown, then it could stand a chance"

 

705 is very strong. SO you hide hull, and what WILL GIVE u 4k dpm vs tank who do sidescrape and wont give you chance to use that dpm ? 

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View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 29 December 2018 - 11:14 PM, said:

Here's a pro tip: don't angle in it.

 

it doesn't matter if you angle it or not number 2 fixes all the problems :justwait:

Edited by panter22, 30 December 2018 - 04:10 PM.


barison1 #18 Posted 30 December 2018 - 04:26 PM

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View Postares354, on 30 December 2018 - 03:23 PM, said:

 

705 is very strong. SO you hide hull, and what WILL GIVE u 4k dpm vs tank who do sidescrape and wont give you chance to use that dpm ? 

 

how dense are you, i have literally been saying that couple times

to quote again "pretty darn sure tort will rip it apart unless 705 is full hulldown, then it could stand a chance"

 

sidescraping can be tricky tho, shoulders can be exposed which are pretty paper, so close on it will be pretty reliable hit on that. longer ranges less so. simply saying; just hulldown with 705.

 

 

thing i do wonder about if tort decides to spam HESH at the turret face so splash going trough  the engine deck how much dmg it will keep doing

 



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The tank is actually pretty good (not OP, wouldnt even say its great, but its certainly above average T9 heavy). That said I actually hate it and especially the gun, which despite having fairly reasonable overall stats can completely troll the [edited]out of me, more often than one would expect.

 

Also initially i played it like a front line "breakthrough" heavy... but that just doesnt work in it at all, this tank only really starts working when you arent the one pushing, but the one in more defensive position and punishing enemies for doing the pushing/mistakes, or in case enemies arent pushing but your team is, you simply let someone else take the hit and then you put your 560 shell into the enemies that already fired. As when you play aggressively you simply arent playing to the tanks strengths, which are being preaimed with hidden lfp and blaping people for 600. 



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View PostOjciec_Director, on 30 December 2018 - 12:02 AM, said:

Why this tank is at T9? No armor at all, every t8 pen easly, long [edited]reload for so called alpha made this tank obsolete piece of trash. Oh i forgot, its not magic russian . Fk your polish line WG, 9 of 10 tanks a useless crap. Hope this imaginary TX will be worth anything. 

 

Thank god you never wasted money on the premium version then, took that into training rooms so many times, even a stock KV4 can rip the crapout of it, only thing it has going for it is the 440 alpha.




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