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micalv #1 Posted 31 December 2018 - 01:50 PM

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Explain how this is "fair" I angle my turret to bounce, BUT how do i angle my gun protection thing. That should not be penetratable. *edited* leave the turret to be pened by alll tanks cause everyone uses gold sure i can still bounce em with right angling. ~(not fair since rus tanks dont need any specifc perfect angling) But the gun? seriously i cant protect that.

 

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View Postmicalv, on 31 December 2018 - 01:50 PM, said:

Explain how this is "fair" (...)

 

That's a common misconception.

WoT actually isn't supposed to be perfectly fair and balanced.

The goal is just to fight it out in different kinds of tanks.

 

Otherwise we'd all be driving the same tank, on the same map, all totally symmetrical, with same fps and ping, same crew skills, same type of account, no RNG, and perhaps even 1v1 instead of 15v15.

 

It's not a fair game.

And that's ok.

It's just that we as players sometimes forget that, in case we even understood it in the first place.


Edited by 1ucky, 31 December 2018 - 08:48 PM.


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gpalsson #5 Posted 31 December 2018 - 10:37 PM

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View Post1ucky, on 31 December 2018 - 07:42 PM, said:

 

 

That's a common misconception.

WoT actually isn't supposed to be perfectly fair and balanced.

The goal is just to fight it out in different kinds of tanks.

 

Otherwise we'd all be driving the same tank, on the same map, all totally symmetrical, with same fps and ping, same crew skills, same type of account, no RNG, and perhaps even 1v1 instead of 15v15.

 

It's not a fair game.

And that's ok.

It's just that we as players sometimes forget that, in case we even understood it in the first place.

 

E100 is objectively a bad tank in this meta. It needs a buff. Even WG knows this. There really isn't any reason for apologizing for obvious terrible balance. It doesn't mean symmetrical maps or whatever strawman you want to use. It just means E100 should be better than it currently is.

panter22 #6 Posted 31 December 2018 - 10:52 PM

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View Postgpalsson, on 31 December 2018 - 09:37 PM, said:

 

E100 is objectively a bad tank in this meta. It needs a buff. Even WG knows this. There really isn't any reason for apologizing for obvious terrible balance. It doesn't mean symmetrical maps or whatever strawman you want to use. It just means E100 should be better than it currently is.

 

why do you need e 100 you got type 4-5 Good Balance i mine Japan win the WW2 type 4-5 :justwait:

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View Postgpalsson, on 31 December 2018 - 10:37 PM, said:

 

E100 is objectively a bad tank in this meta. It needs a buff. Even WG knows this. There really isn't any reason for apologizing for obvious terrible balance. It doesn't mean symmetrical maps or whatever strawman you want to use. It just means E100 should be better than it currently is.

 

Did I say it's a good tank or apologize for anything?

I only stated the truth:

The game is neither fair nor supposed to be fair.

You can stuff your strawman up yours.



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View Post1ucky, on 31 December 2018 - 08:42 PM, said:

That's a common misconception.

WoT actually isn't supposed to be perfectly fair and balanced.

The goal is just to fight it out in different kinds of tanks.

 

Otherwise we'd all be driving the same tank, on the same map, all totally symmetrical, with same fps and ping, same crew skills, same type of account, no RNG, and perhaps even 1v1 instead of 15v15.

 

Nice logic mate, it's the shitty balance that makes everyone drive same tanks. Have you played ranked where people cared about tank selection and don't drive meme tanks? Type 5, S.Conq 430U and the gang all game every game. In game with ~50 tier 10s, about 10 of them is useful.


Edited by cro001, 01 January 2019 - 05:36 AM.


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View Postpanter22, on 31 December 2018 - 09:52 PM, said:

 

why do you need e 100 you got type 4-5 Good Balance i mine Japan win the WW2 type 4-5 :justwait:

 

WW2 was win with crap tank build in mass production... German lost just because they can't supply enough VS USA and Soviet!

Don't talk when you don't even know about history!
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View Postcro001, on 01 January 2019 - 04:36 AM, said:

 

Nice logic mate, it's the shitty balance that makes everyone drive same tanks. Have you played ranked where people cared about tank selection and don't drive meme tanks? Type 5, S.Conq 430U and the gang all game every game. In game with ~50 tier 10s, about 10 of them is useful.

 

Type 5 is drive because he is simple to use.

A good player will perfrom no more high WN8 in Type 5 than in many other tanks.

But they cry because average bob can play it easely.


So all the crying about type 5 is just because bob can make 2000wn8 instead of 750...

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View Post1ucky, on 31 December 2018 - 08:42 PM, said:

That's a common misconception.

WoT actually isn't supposed to be perfectly fair and balanced.

The goal is just to fight it out in different kinds of tanks.

 

Otherwise we'd all be driving the same tank, on the same map, all totally symmetrical, with same fps and ping, same crew skills, same type of account, no RNG, and perhaps even 1v1 instead of 15v15.

 

It's not a fair game.

And that's ok.

It's just that we as players sometimes forget that, in case we even understood it in the first place.

 

 

Hello 1ucky!

 

Thank you for contacting the Wargaming Forums!

 

We are gathering more data about E-100, and consider it tank balanced for the game.

To balance the game for players, from next patch we make forther changes:

 

E 100
Gathering more data.

 

Object 140

Moves to Tier9, No changes to stats or HP.

In future new Object 140U will take its place in Tier10, just like Object 430.

 

Object 705A
Penetration for Shell UBR5510 from 256mm to > 292mm
Shell velocity (m/s) from 900 (m/s) to > 1400 (m/s)
Top Speed from 40 (km/h) to > 60 (km/h)
Health from 2,450 to 2,700

 

Object 277
Reload time from 11.99  (sec) to > 10.09 (sec)
View range from 400 (m) to > 420 (m)
Power/weight from 17.27 (hp/t) to > 24.39 (hp/t)
Health from 2,200 to 2,600

 

T-44-100
Top speed (km/h) from 52 to > 61
Reverse speed (km/h) from 23 to > 29
Power/weight (hp/t) from 22.69 to 29.87
Dispersion from 0.34 to 0.314
Aim time (sec) from 1.92 to 1.81
Reload time (sec) from 7.19 to 6.19

 

These changes will ensure that players fight it out in different tanks, and not choose same tank again and again for best chance to win.

 

If you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us again.
I wish you a good day, a Merry Christmas and a happy New Year.


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View Post1ucky, on 01 January 2019 - 05:13 AM, said:

 

Did I say it's a good tank or apologize for anything?

I only stated the truth:

The game is neither fair nor supposed to be fair.

You can stuff your strawman up yours.

A game can be fair without symmetrical maps or all tanks being identical.



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View Post_Flagada_Jones_, on 01 January 2019 - 06:03 AM, said:

 

WW2 was win with crap tank build in mass production... German lost just because they can't supply enough VS USA and Soviet!

Don't talk when you don't even know about history!
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Type 5 is drive because he is simple to use.

A good player will perfrom no more high WN8 in Type 5 than in many other tanks.

But they cry because average bob can play it easely.


So all the crying about type 5 is just because bob can make 2000wn8 instead of 750...

 

so you know history how nice of you princes so you know how to balance e100 and type 4-5 show us how princes 

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View Postmicalv, on 31 December 2018 - 03:50 PM, said:

 

E100 turret needs SOMETHING

 

Here, this should help:

 

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View Post1ucky, on 01 January 2019 - 07:13 AM, said:

 

The game is neither fair nor supposed to be fair.

 

Balance in multiplayer games, no? :unsure:



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View Post1ucky, on 01 January 2019 - 04:13 AM, said:

 

Did I say it's a good tank or apologize for anything?

I only stated the truth:

The game is neither fair nor supposed to be fair.

You can stuff your strawman up yours.

 

You can call it what you want, but you say that the game isn't supposed to be fair and we are supposed to fight in different tanks.

Well guess what hotshot: If the E100 is completely terrible you won't see many, which in turn makes your statement untrue. When you press battle you will see novelty tanks, but mostly you will just see the same top 20 tanks fighting against each other.

You either willfully ignore this or you don't understand, that balance is what actually makes diversity flower.



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View Post_Flagada_Jones_, on 01 January 2019 - 06:03 AM, said:

 

WW2 was win with crap tank build in mass production... German lost just because they can't supply enough VS USA and Soviet!

Don't talk when you don't even know about history!
06:05 Added after 2 minutes

 

Type 5 is drive because he is simple to use.

A good player will perfrom no more high WN8 in Type 5 than in many other tanks.

But they cry because average bob can play it easely.


So all the crying about type 5 is just because bob can make 2000wn8 instead of 750...

 

You clearly don't know about history yourself if you think tanks and supplies are the litterally the only thing that made winning ww2 possible, Which makes you massive hypocrite trying to read through your mangled english.

 

Also the type 5 is poorly balanced the fact that you whinge about people trying to make the game bearable and more fun is stupid at best. A tank with insane frontal hull armour (and armour in general) and a large caliber howitzer is always bad design regardless.

 

 

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View Post1ucky, on 31 December 2018 - 07:42 PM, said:

 

 

That's a common misconception.

WoT actually isn't supposed to be perfectly fair and balanced.

The goal is just to fight it out in different kinds of tanks.

 

Otherwise we'd all be driving the same tank, on the same map, all totally symmetrical, with same fps and ping, same crew skills, same type of account, no RNG, and perhaps even 1v1 instead of 15v15.

 

It's not a fair game.

And that's ok.

It's just that we as players sometimes forget that, in case we even understood it in the first place.

 

No but the game isn't surpossed to be stupidly unbalanced either where having certain tanks (at this rate a majority of them in the game is pointless.

 

It is blantanly obvious that people aren't asking for chess, but for tanks to be balanced and structured around certains or sometimes multiple with drawbacks so that there is a reason to play the majority of the tanks in the game and to design maps so they do not favour one class each and everysingle time.

 

it's also ironic with your statement that everyone fights with different tanks when that really isn't true considering people will gravitate heavily towards vehicles that are easier to use which basically means you will face the same tanks over and over again regardless.



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Buffs for the E-100 and Leopard 1 have already been announced.

 

Anyone ever read the news?

 



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Me thinks a better turret traverse would be a good thing. As is, enemy just waits for you to turn the gun towards him to shoot you when your turret is flat on. That lasts forever, faster turret would be a nice buff. AFAIK E100 is listed as one of the tanks in that 2019 WG video that will get worked on.

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View PostRamRaid90, on 01 January 2019 - 10:59 AM, said:

Buffs for the E-100 and Leopard 1 have already been announced.

 

Anyone ever read the news?

 

 

Bad news. In my opinion they should not buff any T10 as this will move them further away from T8 what makes the matches vor T8 and T9 more worse. They should balance T10 by nerfing the tanks which are at the top.

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View PostIn_memory_of_Bud_Spencer, on 01 January 2019 - 10:04 AM, said:

 

Bad news. In my opinion they should not buff any T10 as this will move them further away from T8 what makes the matches vor T8 and T9 more worse. They should balance T10 by nerfing the tanks which are at the top.

 

That would be a good way but ain't gonna happen for three reasons at least:

1. free-exp sinks for fast tree grinds towards a new buffed tank

2. the powercreep which is a natural progression of a game like this - stronger T10-s will "justify" getting stronger more competitive OP tanks together with T8 tanks in the shop

3. goldspam

 

All three get WG money, so go figure....


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View PostIn_memory_of_Bud_Spencer, on 01 January 2019 - 10:04 AM, said:

 

Bad news. In my opinion they should not buff any T10 as this will move them further away from T8 what makes the matches vor T8 and T9 more worse. They should balance T10 by nerfing the tanks which are at the top.

 

Not really interested. My point is people should read the news and stop crying about their own decision to play a bad tank.

 

If you don't want to play bad tanks then don't. Nobody is forcing people to play the E-100 over the 705a which is just a flat out better tank. Tanks will always fall in and out of favour as the game progresses, it's called power-creep and is essential to the longevity and survivability of a game such as this.

 

Afterall, who would waste time grinding new lines and spending money when their trusty old stuff still does the job. People seem to forget this game is a business, it's here to make money.






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