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SU130 PM- WHY IS THAT SO?


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nickdragon13 #1 Posted 01 January 2019 - 11:06 PM

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I dont understand why this tank is so slow.Lacking armor and limited turret reverse are already some major disadvantages but why it has so low speed?

wEight_Tanker #2 Posted 01 January 2019 - 11:14 PM

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SU-100Y laughing in the distance

fwhaatpiraat #3 Posted 01 January 2019 - 11:15 PM

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Play a few battles with the AT15, then play this again, tell us your experience afterwards.

SuedKAT #4 Posted 01 January 2019 - 11:17 PM

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The SU-130PM got just slightly worse power/weight than the Skorpion G, 16.67 vs 17 but that evens out somewhat with the hidden stats, here is a comparison:

https://tanks.gg/com...on-g?t=su-130pm

What's not shown there is the SU's way better camo compared to the Skorpion.

 

The speed and mobility it have is still way better then the  Rhm.-Borsig Waffenträger and it would be ludicrous to grant the SU even more mobility than it currently have.

 

Edit: I also just had a look at your stats in it, if we disregard the few tanks that you perform better in that have 10 or less battles played it's your second best performing tank after the T71 DA


Edited by SuedKAT, 01 January 2019 - 11:20 PM.


LCpl_Jones #5 Posted 01 January 2019 - 11:19 PM

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don't worry it's russian so will be buffed soon

Tactical_Spoon #6 Posted 01 January 2019 - 11:21 PM

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Ever heard of a balancing factor? You can't have everything you know. If you're bombing it around at 55 kph with great camo and a 490 alpha gun that would completely ruin game-play. 

SuedKAT #7 Posted 01 January 2019 - 11:29 PM

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View PostTactical_Spoon, on 01 January 2019 - 11:21 PM, said:

Ever heard of a balancing factor? You can't have everything you know. If you're bombing it around at 55 kph with great camo and a 490 alpha gun that would completely ruin game-play. 

 

Ohh it's even better, the alpha is 520 ;)

Tactical_Spoon #8 Posted 01 January 2019 - 11:58 PM

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View PostSuedKAT, on 01 January 2019 - 11:29 PM, said:

 

Ohh it's even better, the alpha is 520 ;)

 

Oh, even more so then :D

TungstenHitman #9 Posted 02 January 2019 - 12:54 AM

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Awwww my slow-[edited]SU 130 PM I can't stay mad at you.... not when you gift me almost a quarter of a million credits after taxes from just one battle. Good boy, you crawl along all you like, nobodies perfect :coin:

 



clixor #10 Posted 02 January 2019 - 01:21 AM

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WG Employee A: 'everybody wanted a Skorpion G, but we already sold it to everybody'

WG Employee B: 'bummer, but why do make an almost identical tank, but just another nation?'

WG Employee A: 'brilliant comrade, no gulag for you, but. ehh. won't that upset the MM for regular tech tree tanks?'

WG Employee B: 'you tell good joke..'



kaneAAA #11 Posted 02 January 2019 - 02:11 AM

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yes

xtrem3x #12 Posted 02 January 2019 - 02:31 AM

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In my 1st battle I managed 7,200 damage in mine with over 1900 base XP.

I don't think it's a bad TD

 

WoT Replays doesn't work with the SU-130PM yet (at least it didn't) so I had to upload it to dezgamez replay site:

https://dezgamez.wot...m/replay/123101


Edited by xtrem3x, 02 January 2019 - 02:33 AM.


JocMeister #13 Posted 02 January 2019 - 07:28 AM

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Skorp > SU.

PauI #14 Posted 02 January 2019 - 08:22 AM

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Sold su for silver cuz i allready have skorp, also no vodka scum tanks in my garage

Cobra6 #15 Posted 02 January 2019 - 08:26 AM

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View Postnickdragon13, on 01 January 2019 - 10:06 PM, said:

I dont understand why this tank is so slow.Lacking armor and limited turret reverse are already some major disadvantages but why it has so low speed?

 

I hear my Borsich laughing in the garage........slow.........you for real bro?

 

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RSAGhost #16 Posted 02 January 2019 - 08:48 AM

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Im struggling with this tank too Skorpion G definetly better for me.SU130-PM  should be played liked RHM or STRV .

Simeon85 #17 Posted 02 January 2019 - 08:58 AM

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It does feel weirdly sluggish compared to the Skorp G IMO, when stats wise it should be similar. Its not a bad TD, but it is a worse Skorp G. 

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View PostSimeon85, on 02 January 2019 - 08:58 AM, said:

It does feel weirdly sluggish compared to the Skorp G IMO, when stats wise it should be similar. Its not a bad TD, but it is a worse Skorp G. 

 

 

WG "stated" that tanks.gg stats might not be correct in this case.

(funny, i think they even wrote in their article "su vs skorp" how mobility is almost the same, but SU130PM has some edge over the German, like reverse speed....)


 they have identical GR stats 1.15/1.44/2.88 and similar p/w, 17 vs 16.67.

But Skorp is much faster, overall.

I think it was 4TankersandDog that made video about Skorp vs SU130 speed.
test was on Malinovka, big circle around the map. He tested Charioteer also.

 

In short, Skorps time was something like ~4 minutes, while Su130PM made it in 5:15-5:20.
A really big difference

 

While SU is a strong tank, Skorpion is just better.
Full turret and much better mobility, you cant fight that.
For anyone thinking which tank to get in future, get Skorp.


Edited by Igor_BL, 02 January 2019 - 09:56 AM.


clixor #19 Posted 02 January 2019 - 10:48 AM

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View PostIgor_BL, on 02 January 2019 - 09:55 AM, said:

 

While SU is a strong tank, Skorpion is just better.
Full turret and much better mobility, you cant fight that.
For anyone thinking which tank to get in future, get Skorp.

 

I don't have the SU so i can't compare. But the faster speed is also a double edge sword, i see waaay to many players just yolo forwards.. to their deaths. Also when players have issues understanding camo mechanics AND having no camo after shooting is recipe for disaster as well. So i wouldn't be surprised if SU will perform better (overall on average).



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I think it was 4TankersandDog that made video about Skorp vs SU130 speed.
test was on Malinovka, big circle around the map. He tested Charioteer also.

 

In short, Skorps time was something like ~4 minutes, while Su130PM made it in 5:15-5:20.
A really big difference

 

 

I didn't know that. I've just checked 4 tankers video and the lap times are:

Su 4.06

Skorp 3.19

Chariot 3.06

 

https://youtu.be/TVzYJIAmzFs

At 8.00

 

Personally I find the chariot more effective and much more fun to play than the skorp (I don't have the SU). Shame its not a premium...






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