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HassenderZerhacker #1 Posted 02 January 2019 - 11:55 AM

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I got my first tier 10 arty some weeks ago and I thought it would be great to farm bonds, because previous experience with tier 10 MM was 8 from 10 games in same tier games, i.e. tier 10.

 

BUT...

now I get about 80% top tier games in 3-5-7 templates in my tier 10 arty.

 

obviously this eats up a large number of top tier games I would rather enjoy in a real tank rather than in a clicker.



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well you gotta wait until WG decides to change it and we all know how much WG cares about player experience

Element6 #3 Posted 02 January 2019 - 12:00 PM

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When playing an SPG you experience the queue from the SPG perspective and not from the LOS tank perspective, and it appears that there are not enough LOS tanks at T10 to account for all the SPGs that people press battle in.

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Because arty is 1/5 of all the classes with just as many matches to fill compared to 4/5 of the real tanks that actually require skill that are needed to also fill the same amount of matches.

Also, arty is less played.

 

These two factors combined make sure you have more chance of a top tier match in arty then in your tank that requires skill and brains to play.

 

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The_Georgian_One #5 Posted 02 January 2019 - 12:18 PM

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Arty mm is skewed. I couldn't do some simple arty missions for Chimera in tier 7 arty, cause I was almost always top tier and there wasn't enough HP in battles.

Cause, you know, playing arty is difficult and clickers need indirect help via mm.

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View PostCobra6, on 02 January 2019 - 12:06 PM, said:

Because arty is 1/5 of all the classes with just as many matches to fill compared to 4/5 of the real tanks that actually require skill that are needed to also fill the same amount of matches.

Also, arty is less played.

 

These two factors combined make sure you have more chance of a top tier match in arty then in your tank that requires skill and brains to play.

 

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ah, I understand now ...

but then there's WG blaming MM problems on pref. MM tanks, lol.

 



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View PostCobra6, on 02 January 2019 - 12:06 PM, said:

Because arty is 1/5 of all the classes with just as many matches to fill compared to 4/5 of the real tanks that actually require skill that are needed to also fill the same amount of matches.

Also, arty is less played.

 

These two factors combined make sure you have more chance of a top tier match in arty then in your tank that requires skill and brains to play.

 

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What does skill have to do with a pure mathematical issue? Or "real" tanks for that matter?

 

The only way you can remedy this problem, from a number perspective, is to increase the limit from max 3 per side. All other solutions include some form of forcing players to play less, or a removal of T10 SPGs.



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View PostHassenderZerhacker, on 02 January 2019 - 10:55 AM, said:

I got my first tier 10 arty some weeks ago and I thought it would be great to farm bonds, because previous experience with tier 10 MM was 8 from 10 games in same tier games, i.e. tier 10.

 

BUT...

now I get about 80% top tier games in 3-5-7 templates in my tier 10 arty.

 

obviously this eats up a large number of top tier games I would rather enjoy in a real tank rather than in a clicker.

 

It's more fun hitting tier 8s in a big tier 10 arty from a troll perspective.

Nothing quite like shaving off half of their HP pool in 1 hit while they're trying to grind credits :trollface:

 

I don't like it when it happens to me though :(


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jack_timber #9 Posted 02 January 2019 - 02:09 PM

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I dislike being top tier in a T8/9 battle with a T10 arty would much rather be bottom tier but then again I prefer to be bottom tier when I play arty seems fairer.

T10 arty excels at GB though, similar when T8s were playing GBs only downside is limited ammo capacity.



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View PostElement6, on 02 January 2019 - 11:58 AM, said:

What does skill have to do with a pure mathematical issue? Or "real" tanks for that matter?

 

The only way you can remedy this problem, from a number perspective, is to increase the limit from max 3 per side. All other solutions include some form of forcing players to play less, or a removal of T10 SPGs.

 

They should hold a compulsory vote in the garage for every player and see how many would like to see SPG's removed. I bet it would be more then 50%!

But a part from that, raising the number would be a terrible idea and discouraging actually seems to work quite well.

 

As for the skill comment, your sarcasm detector is broken.

 

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View PostCobra6, on 02 January 2019 - 03:36 PM, said:

They should hold a compulsory vote in the garage for every player and see how many would like to see SPG's removed. I bet it would be more then 50%!

But a part from that, raising the number would be a terrible idea and discouraging actually seems to work quite well.

 

As for the skill comment, your sarcasm detector is broken.

 

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I think they have ran enough in-game surveys to get a general feel for the whims of the playerbase already to be honest.

 

I never claimed raising the number would be a good idea, it is simply the only way to remedy T10 SPGs being top tier in a 3/5/7 situation. There are just not enough "ordinary" T10 tanks in the queue to make room for all the SPGs in same-tier battles due to the 3/side limit, so they are pushed down and made top tier so they don't hang around in the queue for too long. When the limit was not in effect there were quite a few more of them in T10 battles if I remember correctly, so the issue with many players clicking battle in a T10 SPG is age old.

 

True, my sarcasm detector has been swapped for a resentment detector during the night, by some wonky donkey always up to mischief.

 

I'm off to see a scottish granny about a book.



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View PostElement6, on 02 January 2019 - 04:47 PM, said:

I think they have ran enough in-game surveys to get a general feel for the whims of the playerbase already to be honest.

 

I never claimed raising the number would be a good idea, it is simply the only way to remedy T10 SPGs being top tier in a 3/5/7 situation. There are just not enough "ordinary" T10 tanks in the queue to make room for all the SPGs in same-tier battles due to the 3/side limit, so they are pushed down and made top tier so they don't hang around in the queue for too long. When the limit was not in effect there were quite a few more of them in T10 battles if I remember correctly, so the issue with many players clicking battle in a T10 SPG is age old.

 

True, my sarcasm detector has been swapped for a resentment detector during the night, by some wonky donkey always up to mischief.

 

I'm off to see a scottish granny about a book.

 

They never ran arty related in-game surveys. And questions about emblems, events and stuff like that won't ever give them a general feel about the problems in this game.

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I always supposed this is how it's meant to be, because we would do too much dmg with t10 arty on t8 tanks.

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View PostHassenderZerhacker, on 02 January 2019 - 11:55 AM, said:

I would rather enjoy in a real tank rather than in a clicker.

 

*REAL TANK*

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View Postpsychobear, on 02 January 2019 - 05:16 PM, said:

They never ran arty related in-game surveys. And questions about emblems, events and stuff like that won't ever give them a general feel about the problems in this game.

And you know this how? Can you supply a trustworthy source with a list of all in-game surveys that WG have done since the game launched?

 

What do you base this factual claim on?



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View PostFrantisekBascovansky, on 02 January 2019 - 05:57 PM, said:

*REAL TANK*

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join army

 

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View PostElement6, on 02 January 2019 - 06:03 PM, said:

And you know this how? Can you supply a trustworthy source with a list of all in-game surveys that WG have done since the game launched?

 

What do you base this factual claim on?

 

do you have any archives of *pertinent* in-game surveys, or what do you base your claims on?

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View PostElement6, on 02 January 2019 - 07:03 PM, said:

And you know this how? Can you supply a trustworthy source with a list of all in-game surveys that WG have done since the game launched?

 

What do you base this factual claim on?

 

Well, you're the one claiming that they've run more than enough surveys - can you back that up with a reliable source, or are you just talking nonsense? Kindly show me a few arty related surveys, or stop stating theories as facts. 

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View PostHassenderZerhacker, on 02 January 2019 - 06:04 PM, said:

do you have any archives of *pertinent* in-game surveys, or what do you base your claims on?

First off I started my arguement with "I think" instead of "WG have done surveys", so already there I have made an arguement that is clearly an assumption, which should be quite obvious. psychobear made an arguement of a different nature.

 

This assumption is based on the fact that I have had two in-game surveys presented to me, one of which I am fairly positive contained at least one question about SPGs. It is also based on the fact that I have read accounts of other players here on the forums who have been presented with surveys that I have not seen, suggesting that I have potentially just seen the tip of the iceberg. This also allows for the possibility that there have been surveys over the years that no forumite has either seen, or bothered to mention. It is not unreasonable to assume that a mere 2-3% of the entire playerbase is not enough to pick up on all potential surveys ever released.

 

That is more than one AU away from the rather certain statement of psychobear, for which he fails to supply any form of evidence whatsoever. At least my assumption is based off of real events and the probability that we do not know of all surveys just because we are aware of some of them.

 

View Postpsychobear, on 02 January 2019 - 06:13 PM, said:

Well, you're the one claiming that they've run more than enough surveys - can you back that up with a reliable source, or are you just talking nonsense? Kindly show me a few arty related surveys, or stop stating theories as facts. 

There is a very important difference between claiming that they have done something, and assuming that they have, based on relevant past actions.

 



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Hi guys,

 

I have to close this thread. If you want to talk about artillery, please use the main discussion.

 

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