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Poll: What should WG do to Jagdtiger 8.8? (46 members have cast votes)

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What WG should do with Jagdtiger 8.8?

  1. Put it into Tier 7 with lower HP pool and reduced DPM (10 votes [21.74%])

    Percentage of vote: 21.74%

  2. Replace it with Jagdtiger (H) (15 votes [32.61%])

    Percentage of vote: 32.61%

  3. Do nothing (21 votes [45.65%])

    Percentage of vote: 45.65%

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HussarKaz #1 Posted 02 January 2019 - 01:16 PM

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Powercreep of tier 8 and 9 made Jagdtiger 8.8 a rubbish tank with global win rate around 46%. It needs serious change.

 

The 88 mm gun is not enough anymore for Tier 8 TD. High DPM is nothing when the gun has mediocre penetration and alpha damage.

The armor is no match for tier 8-9 tanks and TDs, even the SS (superstructure).

 

There are two possible options for the JT 8.8 to make it playable:

1. Change its tier from 8 to 7 with reduced HP pool and DPM (and of course standard +2 MM)

If someone is afraid that its armor will make it OP - please note that Su-100M1 has even better armor, with better mobility and WG does not plan to change anyghing in it.

 

2. Do the same thing as WG did with Kanone and replace 8.8 gun with 128 mm gun, in fact it will mean replacement of the 8.8 JT with Jagdtiger (H) https://tanks.gg/tank/jagdtiger-h with, of course, standard MM.

 

What do you think?



Dis4ster #2 Posted 02 January 2019 - 01:24 PM

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3. Let it how it is and wait for the MM changes and Frontline mode

Gixxer66 #3 Posted 02 January 2019 - 01:35 PM

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202mm of Std pen is not enough?

 

There are several tech tree Tier 8's that would love to have 202mm std pen coupled with that DPM / Aim time and accuracy. The Pershing has the same alpha, less pen and way worse DPM

 

3.5K DPM with rammer vents, BiA crew and Chocolate .....  I think you can afford to ding a few shots with that DPM



Rati_Festa #4 Posted 02 January 2019 - 01:41 PM

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View PostDis4ster, on 02 January 2019 - 01:24 PM, said:

3. Let it how it is and wait for the MM changes and Frontline mode

 

I'm not sure how Frontline will help this tank as it suits city maps does it not?

 

The MM changes will help it though, they should have applied the MM changes at the same time or prior to the pref mm changes.



HussarKaz #5 Posted 02 January 2019 - 02:52 PM

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View PostGixxer66, on 02 January 2019 - 01:35 PM, said:

202mm of Std pen is not enough?

 

(...)

 

Pershing has the same alpha, less pen and way worse DPM

 

No?

Where do you plan to shoot at Defender, for example? (don't say about cupolas, they are impossible to hit from further distance) 

O-Ho?

Or Obj 257?

 

>Pershing

- comparing TD to MT

- Pershing has 268 pen on gold which is 31 mm more than JT 8.8 gold rounds



Cobra6 #6 Posted 02 January 2019 - 03:31 PM

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Give it exactly the same mobility as the fully upgraded Tier 9 Jagdtiger for a start.

 

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HussarKaz #7 Posted 02 January 2019 - 03:34 PM

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View PostCobra6, on 02 January 2019 - 03:31 PM, said:

Give it exactly the same mobility as the fully upgraded Tier 9 Jagdtiger for a start.

 

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Interesting Idea, but I think it makes no sense - Jag 8.8 was in fact a prototype/first serie of Jagdtiger, so it cannot have better engine than later model (even stock)



Tactical_Spoon #8 Posted 02 January 2019 - 03:38 PM

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View PostHussarKaz, on 02 January 2019 - 03:34 PM, said:

 

Interesting Idea, but I think it makes no sense - Jag 8.8 was in fact a prototype/first serie of Jagdtiger, so it cannot have better engine than later model (even stock)

 

There are a lot of things in this game that make no sense 

Hamsterkicker #9 Posted 02 January 2019 - 03:44 PM

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My biggest gripe is the mobility.. It just can not compete with all those skorpions and SU's running around, let alone tier 8 or 9 meds & lights. Yes, you have great dpm, but you can simply never ever use it. You armor is completely useless, you turn like a whale, your alpha is laughable and this effectively makes this a huge XP pinata. Whom would you rather shoot a Jagdtiger 8.8 or a Defender.. First is free damage, second one is likely to bounce. 

 

If tank trade-in event comes along in 2019, this is the first tank that will go...

 

PS. and by the way, the tier 9 Jagdtiger is one of my favourite TD's in which i can do very consistent damage..

PPS. This tank is utterly useless in frontline as well in its current "slow" state.

 

 

 


Edited by Hamsterkicker, 02 January 2019 - 03:46 PM.


backmania #10 Posted 02 January 2019 - 04:04 PM

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To give it the 8.8cm Kw.K L/100 of the "Panther II" would be a good start!

 

I think the tank would become slightly more enjoyable with that gun, and not become OP.

 

237mm of premium ammo pen is too low for the opposition it faces and makes it basically helpless against defenders and such.



Gixxer66 #11 Posted 02 January 2019 - 04:42 PM

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View PostHussarKaz, on 02 January 2019 - 01:52 PM, said:

 

No?

Where do you plan to shoot at Defender, for example? (don't say about cupolas, they are impossible to hit from further distance) 

O-Ho?

Or Obj 257?

 

>Pershing

- comparing TD to MT

- Pershing has 268 pen on gold which is 31 mm more than JT 8.8 gold rounds

 

And the Pershing meets Tier 10 that the JT 8.8 never does ...

 

Even 268mm of Pen isn't enough to 100% Pen the LFP of a Defender - it would be better for the game if over armored tanks were given proper weak spots and the accuracy nerf was reversed for small caliber guns  (105mm and lower), rather than having to balance or not, the rest of the Tech round the over armored tanks like Defender etc.



Cobra6 #12 Posted 02 January 2019 - 05:03 PM

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View PostHussarKaz, on 02 January 2019 - 02:34 PM, said:

 

Interesting Idea, but I think it makes no sense - Jag 8.8 was in fact a prototype/first serie of Jagdtiger, so it cannot have better engine than later model (even stock)

 

It's a tier 9 Jagdtiger with the 88 gun, one tier lower...... This game has loads of weird fantasy tanks which never even left the drawing table so giving it a better engine would not be that odd I think.

 

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Gremlin182 #13 Posted 02 January 2019 - 05:26 PM

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The solution to this and all the other preferential MM tanks that are outclassed is easy enough.

1 Clone all the PMM tanks so there will be 2 versions in the game when changes are finished.

2 Give one clone standard MM give it a slight name change

3 Buff the tanks in any way that is necessary to make them competitive.

Finally anyone who wishes can swap their PMM tank for the new buffed version

 

Advantages

No one who bought a PMM tank can complain as the tank they bought still has the same stats and PMM status

The Buffed version can be sold in the store.

Anyone who wants to exchange their PMM tank for the new version can do so but cannot swap back again.

Gradually the PMM versions will vanish from the game.



backmania #14 Posted 04 January 2019 - 09:27 PM

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Just took the JT8.8 for a spin, and it is pretty horrible.

 

It can not do anything against armoured tanks on its own tier, and it is too slow to fall back if it faces something it cannot handle.

 

 



HassenderZerhacker #15 Posted 04 January 2019 - 09:39 PM

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give it a 390 damage, 248 pen gun, same DPM.

The_Naa #16 Posted 04 January 2019 - 09:41 PM

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Jagd. 88 needs a turretring.

Why?

Because it would look cool :rolleyes:



MeNoobTank #17 Posted 04 January 2019 - 09:47 PM

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View PostHassenderZerhacker, on 04 January 2019 - 09:39 PM, said:

give it a 390 damage, 248 pen gun, same DPM.

 

Then why should it have pref mm ? That would be way better than a JPanter II or Ferdinand that meet tier 10s. 

SuedKAT #18 Posted 04 January 2019 - 09:57 PM

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When it was introduced it's armor and DPM was something I feared, now with the current meta it can't utilize either of those, so I'd rather see it's gun get traded for something with more alpha to let it at least trade somewhat ok while also being able to more reliably utilizing it's armor since you don't have to sit in the open shooting all the time.

Zylon0 #19 Posted 04 January 2019 - 11:04 PM

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The tankdestroyer is still advertised as "the Jagdtiger with the 8,8 cm Pak 43 relies on damage per minute instead of punching massive holes into enemy armour. In fact, the reload time is so low that you are able to shoot your opponents multiple times while they reload – from any distance"

 

Now for those that own and play it.. Does this sound anything like the actual ingame performance?

For me it certainly does not.

 

To have a high dmg per minute you need to penetrate reliably, otherwise the dmg will be low or non existent.

212 pen will not cut it. 

 

What tier tank destroyer do you think of when you read the being able to penetrate from any distance part?

I think of the old ISU 152 with the BL 10 gun with 285mm or so pen that got removed.

 

Realisticly the jaghttiger 8.8 should be compared to other slow armored tier 8 TD.

The T28, the AT 15 and the Ferdinand.

 

They have similar armor and all have a higher power to weight ratio then the jaghttiger 8.8.

Now lets compare penetration.

 

Jaghttiger 8.8 212 pen

AT 15 226 pen

T28 248 pen

Ferdinand 246 pen

 

Now if we keep in mind the way the TD is advertised to this day to do its great dpm at "any range"

How much pen would it need to shine in that role? It sees up to tier 9.

 

Taking a look at T9 heavy tanks then it would need UDES 03 288 pen kinds of penetration to go through tanks like the conquerer, type 4 heavy and Mauschen

with 50% reliability at point blank range. unrealistic? perhaps.

 

Then you tell me...What would it need to shine?

 



The_Naa #20 Posted 04 January 2019 - 11:18 PM

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View PostZylon0, on 04 January 2019 - 11:04 PM, said:

The tankdestroyer is still advertised as "the Jagdtiger with the 8,8 cm Pak 43 relies on damage per minute instead of punching massive holes into enemy armour. In fact, the reload time is so low that you are able to shoot your opponents multiple times while they reload – from any distance"

 

Now for those that own and play it.. Does this sound anything like the actual ingame performance?

The DPM is good but its very rare that you may use it to your advantage as most tanks will not stand there trying to out DPM you instead they will trade with you. If you buff the damage per shot then Ferdinand will have nothing to make it look like the better choice, JP2 has the speed, but JT.88 has its DPM.

Pen could use a little buff mayby to 220 but APCR already has it covered. 






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