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Wargene #1 Posted 02 January 2019 - 04:22 PM

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Howdy,

 

I'm keen on going down one of the two Chinese lines either the mediums or the heavies, can anyone share their experiences with either of the lines? Which did you have a lot of fun in, which tanks am i gonna have a hard time grinding through (ive heard the t-34-2 isn't very good). Or would i have better luck grinding the lights? I just dont care for the scouting role nor am i any good at it.

 

My play-style is quite aggressive and i enjoy being right up in the action regardless of the tank i'm in with the occasional distance sniping.

 

Any and all suggestions are appreciated!

 



TheRealTwist #2 Posted 02 January 2019 - 04:39 PM

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China meds and heavys are cheap copys of russian tanks. Only the tier 10 heavy WZ111 5a surpasses the russian counterparts.

The lights are more unique and become very medium like in higher tiers.

I have the tier 10 light an the above tier 10 heavy and did stop at tier 7 with the meds.

The hardest grind for me was the nerfed tier 9 light and the shitty tier 9 heavy.

The old tier 8 light was fun.

 



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Tier 7 and 8 heavies are real pain to play  :arta:



Xandania #4 Posted 02 January 2019 - 04:52 PM

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If you want to go through both lines, unlock the heavy line first. The tier 8 med uses the gun of the IS-2 tier 7 heavy as one of its top guns and the top gun of the tier 9 is also the topgun of the 113 (tier 10 heavy/heavium). Since it takes huge amounts of xp to grind it get it for "free" with the 113.

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View PostXandania, on 02 January 2019 - 04:52 PM, said:

If you want to go through both lines, unlock the heavy line first. The tier 8 med uses the gun of the IS-2 tier 7 heavy as one of its top guns and the top gun of the tier 9 is also the topgun of the 113 (tier 10 heavy/heavium). Since it takes huge amounts of xp to grind it get it for "free" with the 113.

Pretty much this. A lot of the modules are shared so it’s worth doing heavy line first then med line then light line. 

There were decent tanks in all of the lines and I really enjoyed the t34-1. It’s a good tanks to learn how to play with no gun depression. 



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View PostXandania, on 02 January 2019 - 04:52 PM, said:

If you want to go through both lines, unlock the heavy line first. The tier 8 med uses the gun of the IS-2 tier 7 heavy as one of its top guns and the top gun of the tier 9 is also the topgun of the 113 (tier 10 heavy/heavium). Since it takes huge amounts of xp to grind it get it for "free" with the 113.

Pretty much this. A lot of the modules are shared so it’s worth doing heavy line first then med line then light line. 

There were decent tanks in all of the lines and I really enjoyed the t34-1. It’s a good tanks to learn how to play with no gun depression. 



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View PostWargene, on 02 January 2019 - 04:22 PM, said:

Howdy,

 

I'm keen on going down one of the two Chinese lines either the mediums or the heavies, can anyone share their experiences with either of the lines? Which did you have a lot of fun in, which tanks am i gonna have a hard time grinding through (ive heard the t-34-2 isn't very good). Or would i have better luck grinding the lights? I just dont care for the scouting role nor am i any good at it.

 

My play-style is quite aggressive and i enjoy being right up in the action regardless of the tank i'm in with the occasional distance sniping.

 

Any and all suggestions are appreciated!

 

 

Go for chinese heavys 100%.

113, wz 111 5a, and wz 111tier 9 belong to best tanks of the Game. It is true that IS-2 and 110 are not turbo enjoyable, but this 2 are playable and when u enjoy tier 9 and 10 heavys, u are going to think that grind Was worth It.

 

In the other hand. 121 is worst tier X med ingame, t-34-2 is worst tier VIII med ingame. T-34-1 is a bad t-43 version. Wz120 is decent tier IX when u get full modules, but still worse Than heavy IX.

 

So if you don't want to have pain while playing avoid chinese médiums. 

 

Chinese heavys dont work for everyone, but if you play agresive I Believe you Will have fun with this Medium heavys hybrid, with OP guns.

 

Edit**= TheRealTwist, tier 9 heavy shitty? WTF, It is best tier 9 heavy of the Game by far.

 


Edited by JOSEBA_PRIME, 02 January 2019 - 05:10 PM.


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View PostJOSEBA_PRIME, on 02 January 2019 - 04:03 PM, said:

 t-34-2 is worst tier VIII med ingame.

 

Worse than TVP? Nope.



Comrade_Renamon #9 Posted 03 January 2019 - 02:23 PM

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Strategically speaking the way you want to go if you are interested in Chinese mediums is to first go over the heavies as you skip a lot of stock grinds for them due to shared modules (Engines and guns mostly, example the 113 gun is the top gun of the WZ-120).

As for their performance? It is mixed, you have some genuinely nice tanks in there (like the T-34-1 is awkward but not an awful tank), quite a few of them are outright worse than the Russian counterpart (t-34-2, 110), I'd put the IS-2 on a bit weaker due to not having access to an awesome 100mm like the IS has, but it has 250mm pen HEAT that makes it able to fight certain higher tier tanks better. The medium line at high tiers before had a bit of flavor compared to the Russian because of the Alpha advantage but with the changes to the obj 430 and the introduction of the 430u they became just objectively worse tanks.

Mediums:

Type T-34 is alright
Type 58 is painful, but workable.

T-34-1 has a unique spot, not yet powercrept so hard, but it shows off exactly what the Chinese tanks will be later. Soft hulls, rampart module damage, good turrets, lack of gun depression with derpy guns.

T-34-2 one of the worst T8 tanks in the game, it has good camo, is fast but it objectively worse than both premium counterparts (Type 59 and T-34-3), the 122 is derpy with a long reload and awful penetration, the 100mm is derpy too, not as much as 122 though.

WZ-120 painful and awkward, if you went the heavy line you still got a hefty stock grind (cause they removed the light tank guns that you could unlock on the light line, but they left them in for the WZ-120), 3,5 degrees of gun depression, derpy gun with 440 alpha. Obj 430 is better in all regards except for a bit of alpha/pen and accuracy.

121 have not played, but looks to be outright inferior to the 430U.

 

Heavies:

IS-2 is good/alright (just skip the upgraded Turret, it is a waste of exp)
110 is powercrept, it used to be equal to the IS-3 (better armour, better DPM) before they buffed the IS-3 armour to be better. Now it is more bellow average

WZ-111 1-4 is a great tank (stock grind is a bit of a pain though...)

WZ-111 5A is a great tank

113 is...average-ish, it plays differently than the rest of the line before it, already more like the 121. The obj 430u is a better heavy than the 113



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Lights  - tier 7, 8, ok/good; tier 9/10 average

Meds - tier 7 good-ish but needs care; tier 8 to 10 bad (tier 9 may look good on paper but gun handling is atrocious)

Heavies - tier 7 meh, 8 bad, 9/10 good 

 

 



TheRealTwist #11 Posted 05 January 2019 - 09:58 PM

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https://tanks.gg/compare/wz-111-1-4?t=obj-257%7Et-10%7Est-i%7Eamx-m4-51%7Ee-75%7Em103%7Econqueror

 

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View PostJOSEBA_PRIME, on 02 January 2019 - 05:03 PM, said:

 

Edit**= TheRealTwist, tier 9 heavy shitty? WTF, It is best tier 9 heavy of the Game by far.

 

 

View Postgeoff99, on 03 January 2019 - 06:41 PM, said:

 

Heavies - tier 7 meh, 8 bad, 9/10 good 

 

 

 

hahaha no armor...whats a heavy again?

Bad aimtime bad mobility

 



TheRealTwist #12 Posted 06 January 2019 - 09:25 PM

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View PostSmashK, on 06 January 2019 - 09:11 PM, said:

ich werd aus der Karre nich schlau, k.A. wie man die spielt

im infight keine chance, weil armor scheint nich vorhanden zu sein

die 130er gun is ne reine schrotflinte, z.B. die cupola von nem conq zu treffen ist wie ein 6er im lotto

mit AP >100m Entfernung unbrauchbar, kannst eigentlich nur HE laden, brauch noch 150k xp zum durchsterben

 

http://forum.worldoftanks.eu/index.php?/topic/201584-wz-111-model-1-4-der-t9-heavy/page__st__400__pid__16526201#entry16526201

I am not allone

 


Edited by TheRealTwist, 06 January 2019 - 09:40 PM.


Comrade_Renamon #13 Posted 06 January 2019 - 09:46 PM

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View PostTheRealTwist, on 05 January 2019 - 08:58 PM, said:

hahaha no armor...whats a heavy again?

Bad aimtime bad mobility

 

Whut? It has a solid turret with two cupola weak spots and the hull can bounce once in a while, reverse side scraping is your friend. Not everything needs to be over armoured.

Bad Mobility? You are aware that out of those tanks only the obj 257 (and the AMX has better effective hull turn speed) has massively better mobility (But only in the hull traverse). The mobility it has is adequate for the role of the tank, it sports one of the highest alphas in the tier (Now the Polish tank has higher, but along with the E75 it has the best heavy alpha in tier) on a heavy. It is more of a slower medium tank than a true heavy (just like the AMX 50B isn't a true Heavy either). 

 

At the end of the day it might be you who is just having a bad time with it (107 battles hardly tell a full story).



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Chinese tanks are fine for ambush playstyle (due their better cammo on average, once trained) But being needlessly aggressive may punish you hard in some situations, Chinese ain't known for their strong modules. Pretty much everyone else already gave you technical advice, if you'll go down medium line, i'd say avoid shooting more than twice from same location, move as much as possible and be unpredictable. Weak modules and their placement rarely allow you to receive shots.
When i was grinding, i didin't even use food until i got extinguishing skill, they tend to flame up alot.

Edited by Shacou, 06 January 2019 - 10:24 PM.


TheRealTwist #15 Posted 09 January 2019 - 12:05 AM

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View PostComrade_Renamon, on 06 January 2019 - 09:46 PM, said:

 

Whut? It has a solid turret with two cupola weak spots and the hull can bounce once in a while, reverse side scraping is your friend. Not everything needs to be over armoured.

Bad Mobility? You are aware that out of those tanks only the obj 257 (and the AMX has better effective hull turn speed) has massively better mobility (But only in the hull traverse). The mobility it has is adequate for the role of the tank, it sports one of the highest alphas in the tier (Now the Polish tank has higher, but along with the E75 it has the best heavy alpha in tier) on a heavy. It is more of a slower medium tank than a true heavy (just like the AMX 50B isn't a true Heavy either). 

 

At the end of the day it might be you who is just having a bad time with it (107 battles hardly tell a full story).

 

Side Scrape vs HE sure buddy and every other heavy has more armor.

 

mobility.... can you even read and understand? obj257, E75, T-10, amx and even Conquerer is more mobile on medium terrain.

 

and what’s alpha? if you can’t hit anything reliable only ST-I is worse and this one has armor for it.

 

and yeah go with mediums...with this mobility and gun depression .... laughable...

 

107 battles fully upgraded from the first battle and that’s enough for me. it’s the worst tier 9 heavy all around.

 



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The heavies have the pike nose and I struggle using it well. Something to bear in mind. 

 

Medium Wz-120 is lovely. Not sure why others dislike it, and IIRC SKiill4ltu has it up there on his list. It's about playstyle I guess.

 

Don't do the TD line - it's an exercise in self harm lol. 



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View PostTheRealTwist, on 08 January 2019 - 11:05 PM, said:

 

Side Scrape vs HE sure buddy and every other heavy has more armor.

 

mobility.... can you even read and understand? obj257, E75, T-10, amx and even Conquerer is more mobile on medium terrain.

 

and what’s alpha? if you can’t hit anything reliable only ST-I is worse and this one has armor for it.

 

and yeah go with mediums...with this mobility and gun depression .... laughable...

 

107 battles fully upgraded from the first battle and that’s enough for me. it’s the worst tier 9 heavy all around.

 

 

Where did I say to side scrape against HE? Due to how HE mechanics work that is not going to end well in an E75 either. As for mobility I simply said that they are not massively more mobile (aside the ones I mentioned), oh no the Conqueror turns 1.8 degrees faster!

Shots missing so much is a driver issue.

Perhaps you should take your own advice and learn to read? I never said to go with the mediums (unless that will win you the match),  just that the tank is a heavy/medium hybrid just like the T-10 is (you also hate that right?).

The powercreep touched it definitely and could use a few tweaks here and there, but there are worse heavies there (like the M103 and perhaps the 50 120).



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View PostComrade_Renamon, on 11 January 2019 - 11:47 AM, said:

 

but there are worse heavies there (like the M103 and perhaps the 50 120).

 

Stange you name not a single russian one.

 

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 Shots missing so much is a driver issue.

 Sure....that has nothing to do with the dispersion values which are crap compared to others.

 

View PostComrade_Renamon, on 11 January 2019 - 11:47 AM, said:

 

just that the tank is a heavy/medium hybrid just like the T-10 is (you also hate that right?).

 

 

strangly...no I dont hate the T-10 its a keeper for me. the chinese is just a cheap and weak copy of it....



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heavy line is pretty trash at tier 7 and 8, but the tier 9 is great, because of it's mobility and alpha. gun handling is pretty good, for a 130mm gun. since it has a pike-nose, side scraping can be tricky. if you can try to go hull down in towns and use terrain were the -5 degrees aren't much of a problem, but an advantage.

 

medium line can be pretty tough. I've heard it's best to go heavy line first, so you need to unlock less modules, as that's a big pain on this line. camo values are pretty ok, but don't have much value, since the gun is a brawler. play them as support and fire when enemies are reloading. gun handling is bad on the whole line, but the alpha is what the line is all about. as mentioned before, they tend to take a lot of module damage, but haven't seen that much fire going on as far as I remember. just like the heavy line, try to use the turret armor if you can, since it is the best protection you have. mobility is pretty ok, but not super special.



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Use the test server unlock both lines completely and play a few games.




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