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ValkyrionX #1 Posted 08 January 2019 - 11:06 PM

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Primary condition:
Stun enemy vehicles for a total of 1800 seconds [in 10 battles]
[potential stun duration is counted]

 

Secondary condition
2000 seconds
[potential stun is counted]

 

 

 

 

Again, forced by Wargaming to play artillery , I find myself here asking for help and advice and to report an error in the mission.

 

 

I'm using my m40/m43 so equipped:

 

gun laying drive - rammer - camonet + cola box [+10%] + orderly ammorack [or] aim tuning


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BIA / camo / repairs / sixth sense / deadeye

 

 

I'll do some simple calculation, if I'm wrong, tell me as well :

 

1800 divided 10 games if I'm not mistaken is 180

So to complete the mission within 10 games you have to do 180 seconds per game

 

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m40 offers two guns , the first of 155 mm has an average stun of about 12 seconds , the howitzer has a stun average of 14 seconds

 

using the 155 mm gun with an average of 12 seconds theoretically if you hit only one target at a time you should score 15 shots per game
12x15 = 180
charging time 24.35 seconds

 

 

with the hotwitzer instead with an average stun of 14 seconds would be
14 seconds x 12.9 shots = 180.6
recharge 36 seconds

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first of all I would like to point out that by changing the cannon the mission has reset itself before the limit of the 10 matches played , for 2 times
[I will send a ticket for this]

 

second thing I would like to ask the general opinion of all [possibly articulated perhaps by who completed it] if 1800 seconds go well or if I'm doing something wrong

unfortunately the map rotation does not help [ensk-tundra-himmelsdorf-paris etc etc etc] even if you get a single map like this or even twice, you'll never do the mission.


same thing does not help the terrifying and abominable time in which the games end
games that too often end in the first 3-4 minutes and totally prevent the completion of the aforementioned mission, shoot 12 shots in 4 minutes is madness.

clearly I have reached 200 seconds of stun peaks per game, but only in very long matches and on favorable maps and with balanced teams
[teams who lose in 2-3-4 minutes 15-0 etc etc etc, can not anymore]


Will you advise me to keep trying with m40 or get to the t92? or to play m53 that you know has always been a good arty?

 

I really can not finish this mission in the least, imo 1800 seconds for only 10 games is really absurd, should be at least 15 or 17 games.
figure out making 2000s in 10 games, you should only play open maps and games that do not end almost immediately.

 

 

 

p.s obviously firing more tanks at a time to try to accumulate more seconds in a single shots , the other missions that require the use of arty I have already completed all , for all the nations required at the first stroke and I must say that compared to this they are of a disarming ease.

 

 

 

 

 



Panzerfighter_ #2 Posted 09 January 2019 - 02:05 AM

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You dont need to calculate, this mission is a design error by glorious WG devs.

 

This was one of the missions i used an order for. Almost made it with Conq Arta T10 Brit and thats the best splashing arty, but then i got Himmelsdorf. Had like 1700 spott seconds. You need like 4-5 Grandbattles minimum and u cant afford one bad battle. Get Ensk, Ruinberg in a row and ur out unless ur super lucky with the games before.


Edited by Panzerfighter_, 09 January 2019 - 02:26 AM.


NUKLEAR_SLUG #3 Posted 09 January 2019 - 03:37 AM

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M53/55 with the stock gun. You want fast reload/aim over the extra bit of stun the big gun gives as more shots out = more chances to stun. If credits aren't an issue then fire gold for the extra radius effect as it'll help tagging edge cases.

 

Also, stop whining that WG nerf the missions to levels you think you can easily complete. They're meant to be hard and it's just getting tedious.



ValkyrionX #4 Posted 09 January 2019 - 11:34 AM

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View PostNUKLEAR_SLUG, on 09 January 2019 - 03:37 AM, said:

M53/55 with the stock gun. You want fast reload/aim over the extra bit of stun the big gun gives as more shots out = more chances to stun. If credits aren't an issue then fire gold for the extra radius effect as it'll help tagging edge cases.

 

Also, stop whining that WG nerf the missions to levels you think you can easily complete. They're meant to be hard and it's just getting tedious.

 

no one is saying that the mission is hard, Im saying that is totally retarded , is different :)

Simeon85 #5 Posted 09 January 2019 - 11:37 AM

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Whilst he does complain a lot about PMs, he has a point on this one, those requirements are stupid. That is 3 minutes of stun per match, every match for 10 games, in games that tend to last 5-7 minutes most of the time and where the first minute of the game little happens most of the time and where the arty needs time to reload as well.  

Ringo_Star #6 Posted 09 January 2019 - 11:41 AM

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I've done this mission couple of days ago. T92 + grand battles makes it so easy. If you try with anything else you would have much harder time doimg it. Also, avoid killing shots and always look for triple or double stuns.

Edited by Ringo_Star, 09 January 2019 - 11:45 AM.


Mr_Beefy #7 Posted 09 January 2019 - 01:56 PM

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This mission is all about the maps you get.  If you get lucky like I did and get Malinovka 5 times of 10, with a serving of 2 Redshire and 2 Steppes and 1 Mines, then you will get it quite easily.

I averaged 360 secs of stun on Malinovka (1800 right there) God bless the HT's that go hill.

if you get Paris/Pilsen/Ensk/Himmelsdorf, then this mission will be a pain in the keister.\

 

EDIT:

M40/43 is not the best choice I think.  If you don't have tier 10's like GC/T92/GWE100, then best choice's would be M53/55 with stock gun and BC155/55 (Tier 9) and 212A with stock gun.  All 3 of those t9's have a relatively fast ROF, with the 212A being the fastest, but the M55's stock gun with the semi rotating turret is most effective.

 

EDIT EDIT:

There is ZERO justification for a nerf of requirements for the Obj279.  Have you seen the rewards?  For all missions with honors like 15k bonds plus around 450 directives plus a boatload of credits and consumables and equipment.

It is supposed to be very hard.  Not easy.

 

EDIT EDIT EDIT:

Regarding the potential stun dmg, this means hitting a tank, and the player instantly healing the crew with consumable.  


Edited by Mr_Beefy, 09 January 2019 - 02:09 PM.


TheDrownedApe #8 Posted 09 January 2019 - 02:09 PM

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View PostValkyrionX, on 08 January 2019 - 10:06 PM, 

 

 

 

Did you see my post?

 

http://forum.worldof...9#entry16530609

 

I used the M53 but it was still a painful, boring time



Simeon85 #9 Posted 09 January 2019 - 03:28 PM

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View PostMr_Beefy, on 09 January 2019 - 01:56 PM, said:

 

EDIT EDIT:

There is ZERO justification for a nerf of requirements for the Obj279.  Have you seen the rewards?  For all missions with honors like 15k bonds plus around 450 directives plus a boatload of credits and consumables and equipment.

It is supposed to be very hard.  Not easy.

 

 

Not really hard though is it, I mean playing arty full stop is not hard, it's only tough because it's situational/RNG based about getting the right maps/teams, it's not a mission that is about skill. 

 



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View PostNUKLEAR_SLUG, on 09 January 2019 - 03:37 AM, said:

 

Also, stop whining that WG nerf the missions to levels you think you can easily complete. They're meant to be hard and it's just getting tedious.

 

View PostValkyrionX, on 09 January 2019 - 11:34 AM, said:

 

no one is saying that the mission is hard, Im saying that is totally retarded , is different :)

 

This guy is right.  ↑

 

View PostMr_Beefy, on 09 January 2019 - 01:56 PM, said:

This mission is all about the maps you get. 

EDIT EDIT:

There is ZERO justification for a nerf of requirements for the Obj279.  Have you seen the rewards?

It is supposed to be very hard.  Not easy.

 

 

You gave urself the right answer. "This mission is all about the maps you get." I have the 279 since last autumn, so i could give a f... but this mission needs to get balanced. There is no skill involved, just playing till u have the luck to get 10 good arty maps in a row and the battles last more than 5min.



gitgud_cannot #11 Posted 10 January 2019 - 10:21 PM

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just checked the alliance missions for 279, what the actual.. how many arty missions are there, 5 or more? well i can get the m40/m43 and grind out the m53/55, but im going to hate myself for that :D

Mr_Beefy #12 Posted 11 January 2019 - 11:57 AM

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View Postunrealname, on 10 January 2019 - 11:21 PM, said:

just checked the alliance missions for 279, what the actual.. how many arty missions are there, 5 or more? well i can get the m40/m43 and grind out the m53/55, but im going to hate myself for that :D

 

X2 XP this weekend.  Time to run up some boosts.

EDIT: At least the line with the most arty missions actually has the best 3 arty to do missions in.  (M53/55 being the best period, + T92 & GC which are beasts)


Edited by Mr_Beefy, 11 January 2019 - 12:02 PM.


ValkyrionX #13 Posted 12 January 2019 - 02:49 AM

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View PostMr_Beefy, on 09 January 2019 - 01:56 PM, said:

This mission is all about the maps you get.  If you get lucky like I did and get Malinovka 5 times of 10, with a serving of 2 Redshire and 2 Steppes and 1 Mines, then you will get it quite easily.

I averaged 360 secs of stun on Malinovka (1800 right there) God bless the HT's that go hill.

if you get Paris/Pilsen/Ensk/Himmelsdorf, then this mission will be a pain in the keister.\

 

EDIT:

M40/43 is not the best choice I think.  If you don't have tier 10's like GC/T92/GWE100, then best choice's would be M53/55 with stock gun and BC155/55 (Tier 9) and 212A with stock gun.  All 3 of those t9's have a relatively fast ROF, with the 212A being the fastest, but the M55's stock gun with the semi rotating turret is most effective.

 

EDIT EDIT:

There is ZERO justification for a nerf of requirements for the Obj279.  Have you seen the rewards?  For all missions with honors like 15k bonds plus around 450 directives plus a boatload of credits and consumables and equipment.

It is supposed to be very hard.  Not easy.

 

EDIT EDIT EDIT:

Regarding the potential stun dmg, this means hitting a tank, and the player instantly healing the crew with consumable.  

 

i decided to skip the mission with an order cause its impossible with the map rotation that troll me all the time 

 

in 10 games i played 2 times on paris , one time tundra and ensk.....

 

p.s im not asking for nerf or other stuff , the missions are ok imo but force players to play arty...is not so fun

 

-17 missions to the obj279 :ohmy:

01:56 Added after 6 minutes

View PostPanzerfighter_, on 10 January 2019 - 01:35 PM, said:

 

 

This guy is right.  ↑

 

 

You gave urself the right answer. "This mission is all about the maps you get." I have the 279 since last autumn, so i could give a f... but this mission needs to get balanced. There is no skill involved, just playing till u have the luck to get 10 good arty maps in a row and the battles last more than 5min.

 

+1 :)

 

this mission do not require any skills but only 10 good maps in a row and games that do not ends in 3 minutes 

 

0 skills are required..only stupid rng factors 


Edited by ValkyrionX, 12 January 2019 - 02:58 AM.


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View PostValkyrionX, on 12 January 2019 - 03:49 AM, said:

 

i decided to skip the mission with an order cause its impossible with the map rotation that troll me all the time 

 

in 10 games i played 2 times on paris , one time tundra and ensk.....

 

p.s im not asking for nerf or other stuff , the missions are ok imo but force players to play arty...is not so fun

 

-17 missions to the obj279 :ohmy:

01:56 Added after 6 minutes

 

+1 :)

 

this mission do not require any skills but only 10 good maps in a row and games that do not ends in 3 minutes 

 

0 skills are required..only stupid rng factors 

 

So RNG missions are a new thing? CoughMT12!!!  COUGH MT15/T55 with the kill 2 td 1 tier over...This is a 3 year thing.  WG makes missions that are dependant on map rotation, MM, RNG, etc.  Why?  To keep you online and playing for as long as possible in order to get you to....(drum roll) SPEND MONEY!!!!!!!!

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View PostValkyrionX, on 08 January 2019 - 10:06 PM, said:

 

Will you advise me to keep trying with m40 or get to the t92? or to play m53 that you know has always been a good arty?

 

 

The only thing the T92 has going for it is all tier X battles which might give you more chance to stun but any extra health pool is likely to be offset with bigger guns taking it down.  I would go for M53/55

 

View PostNUKLEAR_SLUG, on 09 January 2019 - 02:37 AM, said:

M53/55 with the stock gun. You want fast reload/aim over the extra bit of stun 

I disagree.  Take the bigger gun for the bigger splash and aim at groups of targets.  Concentrate on choke points where you can stun multiple enemies in one shot.  Load gold when you know you will have groups to hit.

 

Big gun also gives you more relocating time in case the enemy is playing hard to get.

 

Also don't aim to do damage.  Better to splash two tanks than take nearly all the health off one.  This will also help the games last longer and give you more chance to stun.



Obsessive_Compulsive #16 Posted 06 March 2019 - 12:59 AM

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retarded mission on my 3rd attempt with m53. way offf the mark and I amm hitting 3k average damage. no matter what i do. not happening,

Smile4MyShell #17 Posted 06 March 2019 - 07:27 AM

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I havent even started with mission 2.0 got my object 260 and im good just the fact that i need too grind a new arty line are holding me back(i did a few of mission 2.0 the ones without arty ofc :arta:)

Edited by S_E_N_N_A, 06 March 2019 - 07:28 AM.


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View PostValkyrionX, on 08 January 2019 - 10:06 PM, said:

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All your calculations are flawed because you're basing them on hitting 1 tank at a time.

If you only hit 1 tank at a time you are playing arty wrong and don't deserve to complete the mission






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