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Geralt_z_Rivii__ #1 Posted 08 January 2019 - 11:06 PM

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They've changed matchmaking so much they are completly useless tanks. Super pers, is6, fcm50t, t34-3, Jagdtiger 8.8, kv-5 are used to be in game on top. After Wargaming decided to do 3/5/7 system they are always in tier 8/9 battles. They gave back gold years ago with T26E4 SuperPershing's armor changes.

ValkyrionX #2 Posted 08 January 2019 - 11:09 PM

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View PostGeralt_z_Rivii__, on 08 January 2019 - 11:06 PM, said:

They've changed matchmaking so much they are completly useless tanks. Super pers, is6, fcm50t, t34-3, Jagdtiger 8.8, kv-5 are used to be in game on top. After Wargaming decided to do 3/5/7 system they are always in tier 8/9 battles. They gave back gold years ago with T26E4 SuperPershing's armor changes.

 

yeah is6 is totally unplayable 

 

186/225 mm penetration against defender/crysler/amx liberte/ all HT tier 9 except amx 50 120..

 

.. garbage tank

 

 

+1


Edited by ValkyrionX, 08 January 2019 - 11:12 PM.


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No thanx i love my preff mm tanks.

Dorander #4 Posted 09 January 2019 - 12:28 AM

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Let's evaluate this honestly for a second. As a tier 8 pref MM tank, you at worst suffer tier+1 battles. Some pref MM tanks are always top tier but last I checked which tanks these are hasn't changed. This means you only face two potential templates: 3 tier 9, 5 tier 8, 7 tier7 or 5 tier 9, 10 tier 8. In addition you face all the other potential scenarios where you are top tier.

 

However without pref MM you face these scenarios, PLUS the scenarios where you face 3 tier 10, 5 tier 9, 7 tier 8. There's a solid difference in most lines between tier 8 and 9 but there's also a large difference in most lines between tier 9 and 10. But you never see tier 10. Your worst case scenario is facing 3 tanks out of 15 that are 1 tier higher AND 7 which are lower, or facing 5 tanks out of 15 that are 1 tier higher. Your worst case scenarios for every other tank that does not have pref MM is good odds at best and a fair fight at worst for everyone else.

 

Please, whine more.



Geralt_z_Rivii__ #5 Posted 09 January 2019 - 02:10 AM

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View PostDorander, on 08 January 2019 - 11:28 PM, said:

Let's evaluate this honestly for a second. As a tier 8 pref MM tank, you at worst suffer tier+1 battles. Some pref MM tanks are always top tier but last I checked which tanks these are hasn't changed. This means you only face two potential templates: 3 tier 9, 5 tier 8, 7 tier7 or 5 tier 9, 10 tier 8. In addition you face all the other potential scenarios where you are top tier.

 

However without pref MM you face these scenarios, PLUS the scenarios where you face 3 tier 10, 5 tier 9, 7 tier 8. There's a solid difference in most lines between tier 8 and 9 but there's also a large difference in most lines between tier 9 and 10. But you never see tier 10. Your worst case scenario is facing 3 tanks out of 15 that are 1 tier higher AND 7 which are lower, or facing 5 tanks out of 15 that are 1 tier higher. Your worst case scenarios for every other tank that does not have pref MM is good odds at best and a fair fight at worst for everyone else.

 

Please, whine more.

 

Q: Did they changed MM

A: Yes, They did.

 

Q: Did it effect tier VIII premiums with +1 matchmaking in negative way

A: Yes, it did.

 

Q: Did they give back gold for superpershing when frontal armor was nerfed?

A: Yes, They gave us possibility to swap T26E4 SuperPershing for equivalent in gold.


Edited by Geralt_z_Rivii__, 09 January 2019 - 02:13 AM.


Del059 #6 Posted 09 January 2019 - 02:36 AM

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so you've had 4-5 years of fun and now you want a refund :facepalm:

NUKLEAR_SLUG #7 Posted 09 January 2019 - 03:26 AM

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View PostGeralt_z_Rivii__, on 09 January 2019 - 02:10 AM, said:

Q: Did they give back gold for superpershing when frontal armor was nerfed?

A: Yes, They gave us possibility to swap T26E4 SuperPershing for equivalent in gold.

 

Cool, well when they nerf the stats of your Super pers, is6, fcm50t, t34-3, Jagdtiger 8.8, kv-5 etc, you can totally have that refund. Oh wait, WG actually buffed all those tanks recently!

 

Request denied.



Dorander #8 Posted 09 January 2019 - 03:34 AM

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View PostGeralt_z_Rivii__, on 09 January 2019 - 01:10 AM, said:

 

Q: Did they changed MM

A: Yes, They did.

 

Q: Did it effect tier VIII premiums with +1 matchmaking in negative way

A: Yes, it did.

 

Q: Did they give back gold for superpershing when frontal armor was nerfed?

A: Yes, They gave us possibility to swap T26E4 SuperPershing for equivalent in gold.

 

Yes, they changed MM.

 

No, it did not impact your premiums in a negative way and if you want to claim it did, I'll be convinced by your extensive factual analysis of matchmaking values and frequences, not by your arbitrary assertion.

 

Nerfing a premium tank creates a customer issue in the EU where people no longer own the tank they payed for, it's completely unrelated to your subjective appreciation of MM for tanks that, as Nuklear_Slug pointed out, received buffs.



MrClark56 #9 Posted 09 January 2019 - 04:16 AM

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View PostDorander, on 09 January 2019 - 03:34 AM, said:

 

Yes, they changed MM.

 

No, it did not impact your premiums in a negative way and if you want to claim it did, I'll be convinced by your extensive factual analysis of matchmaking values and frequences, not by your arbitrary assertion.

 

Nerfing a premium tank creates a customer issue in the EU where people no longer own the tank they payed for, it's completely unrelated to your subjective appreciation of MM for tanks that, as Nuklear_Slug pointed out, received buffs.

Sorry to break your noodles but the recent buffs to the PMM tanks are to compensate for the MM that these tanks are thrown into..

Dont hide behind the factual analysis blabla. The tanks were affected by the MM. You have to be blind not to see it.  Do you need factual analysis when you go take a dump? Or do you feel it is just coming out?

Anyways

Still getting into all tier8 games and mostly tier 9 games is not fun in these tanks.. specially them being tier 7.5

I do not remember facing bunch of tier 7 and some t6 tanks in awhile.. 

Even with buffs they are underwhelming.

 


Edited by MrClark56, 09 January 2019 - 04:18 AM.


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View PostNUKLEAR_SLUG, on 09 January 2019 - 03:26 AM, said:

 

 

Cool, well when they nerf the stats of your Super pers, is6, fcm50t, t34-3, Jagdtiger 8.8, kv-5 etc, you can totally have that refund. Oh wait, WG actually buffed all those tanks recently!

 

Request denied.

 

They buffed the IS-6?

 

Tell me how 186 pen is any better than 175 pen in world of Type 4, Defender, 705, E75, O-Ho, Liberte, Patriot and IS-M? To top it all, 186 isn't even enough to pen yourself frontally. The APCR shell on the IS-6 isn't even enough to get through about half of the aforementioned tanks either.


Edited by thestaggy, 09 January 2019 - 07:45 AM.


DemonsDope #11 Posted 09 January 2019 - 08:00 AM

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Are you serious? You want a refund after 5 years because something changed?

Dude, get real. Asking for a refund after all those years is nothing but a snowflake tears.

Try getting a refund for ANYTHING you bought anywhere 5 years ago and the salesman will laugh at your face.

Don't be ridiculous.


Edited by DemonsDope, 09 January 2019 - 08:01 AM.


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View PostGeralt_z_Rivii__, on 08 January 2019 - 11:06 PM, said:

They've changed matchmaking so much they are completly useless tanks. Super pers, is6, fcm50t, t34-3, Jagdtiger 8.8, kv-5 are used to be in game on top. After Wargaming decided to do 3/5/7 system they are always in tier 8/9 battles. They gave back gold years ago with T26E4 SuperPershing's armor changes.

 

You payed for a tank that faces tier 9 max. It never did say anything about it being on top constantly. T26E4 refund was due to a drastic change that removed one aspect that most bought it for, as it then was no longer as advertised. It's now a pref MM tank with 31 more pen then when I bought it, and it finally has a 2nd plate on the hull and still only sees tier 9 max. Way better off when I bought it. Even with the Type 4 thrown in there.  

 

View PostValkyrionX, on 08 January 2019 - 11:09 PM, said:

 

yeah is6 is totally unplayable 

 

186/225 mm penetration against defender/crysler/amx liberte/ all HT tier 9 except amx 50 120..

 

.. garbage tank

 

 

+1

 

Garbage was not his point. Then again, 186 is still better than 175. But still not enough. And it's pref MM is the issue there, not the lack of it. Mine sees equal tier games too much. I want +1 all the time. As I can deal with most tier 9 targets inc the M103, T-10, 50 120, the Conq or the Emil II. At least they have spots head on I can pen. Defenders lower plate or the Chrysler K's cupola? Forget about it. 

 

WOT blitz gave the IS-6 a 2nd gun. A 221/270 pen gun. Cuts the DPM way down, but still.


Edited by Balc0ra, 09 January 2019 - 08:55 AM.


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Super Pershing is one of the only tanks I play these days because it has good pen and pref mm. I want to keep it. IS6 is garbage now, and so is T-34-3, but I haven't really thought about a refund. It seems a bit excessive after all that time.

JT88 was always garbage, FCM is not good but OK now, KV5 I don't own but I guess it isn't very good in this meta.


Edited by gpalsson, 09 January 2019 - 08:59 AM.


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View Postgpalsson, on 09 January 2019 - 07:56 AM, said:

Super Pershing is one of the only tanks I play these days because it has good pen and pref mm. I want to keep it. IS6 is garbage now, and so is T-34-3, but I haven't really thought about a refund. It seems a bit excessive after all that time.

 

Hmm so its worth buying it now?

gpalsson #16 Posted 09 January 2019 - 09:04 AM

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View PostScorilo, on 09 January 2019 - 07:59 AM, said:

 

Hmm so its worth buying it now?

 

Hmm..it depends what you want from it.

I personally think it is worth getting. I have much more fun in it than many other tanks purely because it doesn't meet tier X 70% of matches.

But it is slow. Slow slow slow. The armor can be pretty good but you shouldn't rely too much on it. You are not very flexible because of the speed, so you need to go where you consider there to be a chance to have a drawn out fight.

If you can live with that and are prepared to spam gold when you meet retarded tanks like defender and type 4s you will be fine.

The gun is good, and you will have battles where you can feel almost invulnerable because you armor will just troll the enemy.



Thornvalley #17 Posted 09 January 2019 - 09:08 AM

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It still doesn't see T10 tanks and you don't have to go and brawl with the well-armoured tanks anyway. Just like you didn't versus E 75 back in the days. Also, the IS-6 is now treated by high tier tanks in the same way it has always treated T6 and most T7 tanks. I didn't see any complaints when pressing W against T6 tanks more or less granted a free win.

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View PostValkyrionX, on 08 January 2019 - 11:09 PM, said:

 

yeah is6 is totally unplayable 

 

186/225 mm penetration against defender/crysler/amx liberte/ all HT tier 9 except amx 50 120..

 

.. garbage tank

 

 

+1

 

I am loving the IS-6 rental... 

 

so far i had no problems dealing up with defenders, specially at close range... and if the defender don't load gold, they wont penetrate my armor in the way i use the tank..

 

matter of fact i might buy the IS-6 permanently since i am enjoying to play it...



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View Postthestaggy, on 09 January 2019 - 07:44 AM, said:

 

They buffed the IS-6?

 

Tell me how 186 pen is any better than 175 pyen in world of Type 4, Defender, 705, E75, O-Ho, Liberte, Patriot and IS-M? To top it all, 186 isn't even enough to pen yourself frontally. The APCR shell on the IS-6 isn't even enough to get through about half of the aforementioned tanks either.

 

your not meant to take down type 4's or super heavies in the IS-6, if your trying to do it...then your doing it wrong...

 

The IS-6 top speed is 35, but it will almost instantly reach that speed in flat surface, its a very mobile tank, in fact, its so mobile, that while brawling i find it quite easily to get in the sides or back of the other heavies... plus you have such trolling armor...

 

OMG, the IS-6 armor, is so well sloped, that once you nail how to angle it, and how to use the terrain, most tier 8 mediums wont pen you...

in the worst possible mm, the IS-6 will play agains't 3 or 5 tier IX's, you might get mauchens or type 4's, but you have so many other target options, like i said, the tank is fairly mobile, you can to a level keep up with mediums and get into places fairly well, 

 

The IS-6 have perhaps the best gun handling i ever experienced in the typical D-25T 122mm, its fairly accurace, i can track enemies and deal damage so much more accurately than i am used with this gun, it doesn't feel derpy like in other tanks, its not exceptionaly accurate, but its away better than i am used in the IS, the 112 or WZ 111.

 

The IS-6 is decent. 



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View PostKillingJoker, on 09 January 2019 - 08:21 AM, said:

 

in the worst possible mm, the IS-6 will play agains't 3 or 5 tier IX's, you might get mauchens or type 4's, but you have so many other target options, like i said, the tank is fairly mobile, you can to a level keep up with mediums and get into places fairly well, 

 

 

No in the worst MM you will face defenders, O-HOs and a combination of 5 type4s and mauchen.

Some of the most annoying tanks for IS6 are in tier 8.

IS3A, Defender, Type 4, IS3, E75, Mauchen, obj 430 are the most common tanks where you are in such a major disadvantage that you most likely will just have to run. Well maybe not IS3 so much. 

Do you remember the time when people complained about IS3 being too strong?

AHAHAHA I remember with fondness the time when we were so naive to think this game was meant to have some kind of functional balance.


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