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GANDALF_WOT #1 Posted 09 January 2019 - 12:56 AM

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The solution to this terrible MM imbalance solution could be in 2 Leauges: Primary League and Bot League. The battle limit could be 10000 battles. Why that? Because bots with 500 batles only can get tier VIII premium tank and MM puts him in team with tier X average players battle 20-30000. Nowadays you have it in MM 3/5/7 template 3-4 premium tanks. You can not know who is in premiium tank and you suppose he will play "normally" but bots do not play as team expect and needs. Result is 15:1 in 4 minutes or like something that. So bots will play 10000 batles first to get experience and map knowledge and then will be transfered to Primary League. This will also eliminate players frustration for bots and experienced players as well. There will be no insulting between players as we have today. MM will be balanced again.

OreH75 #2 Posted 09 January 2019 - 01:42 AM

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View PostGANDALF_WOT, on 09 January 2019 - 12:56 AM, said:

The solution to this terrible MM imbalance solution could be in 2 Leauges: Primary League and Bot League. The battle limit could be 10000 battles. Why that? Because bots with 500 batles only can get tier VIII premium tank and MM puts him in team with tier X average players battle 20-30000. Nowadays you have it in MM 3/5/7 template 3-4 premium tanks. You can not know who is in premiium tank and you suppose he will play "normally" but bots do not play as team expect and needs. Result is 15:1 in 4 minutes or like something that. So bots will play 10000 batles first to get experience and map knowledge and then will be transfered to Primary League. This will also eliminate players frustration for bots and experienced players as well. There will be no insulting between players as we have today. MM will be balanced again.

 

I should divide based on winrates: >=50% is Primary League, <50% is Botleague.

WoT_RU_Doing #3 Posted 09 January 2019 - 03:29 AM

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View PostOreH75, on 09 January 2019 - 12:42 AM, said:

 

I should divide based on winrates: >=50% is Primary League, <50% is Botleague.

 

Which means everyone like me gets promoted into Primary within the first month of my sealclubbing noobs, and many people in the primary get dropped in the same timeframe because the 50% player can't cut it against that many 60%ers. Sounds like a great plan that won't upset anyone at all. :medal:

Edited by WoT_RU_Doing, 09 January 2019 - 03:30 AM.


Dorander #4 Posted 09 January 2019 - 03:38 AM

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I have a different proposition with exactly as much merit as the OP's suggestion: everyone who whines on the forum about matchmaking with unreasonable demands and/or a claim about matchmaking functionality that's so far from reality the distance can be expressed in more than one lightyear gets assigned to teams of players that have 45% or less average winrate for one full calendar year.

BR33K1_PAWAH #5 Posted 09 January 2019 - 06:39 AM

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Put me in Bot League, pretty pls :)

duijm #6 Posted 09 January 2019 - 07:11 AM

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Most players with more than 10.000 battles are still Bot....so wont make any difference. Not even sure what your goal is? Do you want less or more bots to play against?

 



the_nebuchadnezzar #7 Posted 09 January 2019 - 07:27 AM

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View PostGANDALF_WOT, on 08 January 2019 - 11:56 PM, said:

The solution to this terrible MM imbalance solution could be in 2 Leauges: Primary League and Bot League. The battle limit could be 10000 battles. Why that? Because bots with 500 batles only can get tier VIII premium tank and MM puts him in team with tier X average players battle 20-30000. Nowadays you have it in MM 3/5/7 template 3-4 premium tanks. You can not know who is in premiium tank and you suppose he will play "normally" but bots do not play as team expect and needs. Result is 15:1 in 4 minutes or like something that. So bots will play 10000 batles first to get experience and map knowledge and then will be transfered to Primary League. This will also eliminate players frustration for bots and experienced players as well. There will be no insulting between players as we have today. MM will be balanced again.

 

Usually, I won`t bring WR into discussion but I can`t help it. So, let me get this straight, a 45% WR player is mad cause of the... bots in WoT?! Wow! OP, you really think others are to blame cause you suck at this?! :facepalm:

4nt #8 Posted 09 January 2019 - 08:04 AM

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View PostDorander, on 09 January 2019 - 03:38 AM, said:

I have a different proposition with exactly as much merit as the OP's suggestion: everyone who whines on the forum about matchmaking with unreasonable demands and/or a claim about matchmaking functionality that's so far from reality the distance can be expressed in more than one lightyear gets assigned to teams of players that have 45% or less average winrate for one full calendar year.

I second this. Then when implemented I will apply knowledge gained in these very fora to get myself to that league for happy, carefree time 



NUKLEAR_SLUG #9 Posted 09 January 2019 - 08:20 AM

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View Postthe_nebuchadnezzar, on 09 January 2019 - 07:27 AM, said:

 

Usually, I won`t bring WR into discussion but I can`t help it. So, let me get this straight, a 45% WR player is mad cause of the... bots in WoT?! Wow! OP, you really think others are to blame cause you suck at this?! :facepalm:

 

I think you misunderstand his point. OP wants to be put in the bot league with actual WG bots so that he has some team mates he can rely on to carry him.

 

Seems a legit request in this case.


Edited by NUKLEAR_SLUG, 09 January 2019 - 08:21 AM.


Jigabachi #10 Posted 09 January 2019 - 08:28 AM

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Sorting by the amount of matches played is just dumb. And a league system is the worst kind of skillbased MM.

Besides that, OP doesn't seem to know what a bot is. A new player with only a few matches played is a new player, not a bot. But with >40k matches played and 45%WR, OP himself is a true bot. Not sure if he realizes that...

Unicorn_of_Steel #11 Posted 09 January 2019 - 08:35 AM

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View PostJigabachi, on 09 January 2019 - 08:28 AM, said:

But with >40k matches played and 45%WR, OP himself is a true bot. Not sure if he realizes that...

 

So with less then 10k battles played and a higher winrate than OP i would play bot league because i do not contribute enough to the team? While not being a bot at all but a noob or tomato? Much confused....

 

On topic, i do agree that it is to easy to race up to the higher tiers. I can be totally honest about my current lack of skill to carry a > T6 battle. So i understand the frustration of the better players in a tier 7 or 8 battle that suffer under my lack of skill/ecxperience. And i really don't like being butchered doing a measly 200 dmg. Some form of treshold for participating in the highest tiers might be a workable idea for all.


Edited by Unicorn_of_Steel, 09 January 2019 - 08:41 AM.


Jigabachi #12 Posted 09 January 2019 - 08:40 AM

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View PostUnicorn_of_Steel, on 09 January 2019 - 08:35 AM, said:

So with less then 10k battles played and a higher winrate than OP i would play bot league because i do not contribute enough to the team? While not being a bot at all but a noob or tomato? Much confused....

Yeah. Totally makes sense, right?



Unicorn_of_Steel #13 Posted 09 January 2019 - 08:45 AM

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View PostJigabachi, on 09 January 2019 - 08:40 AM, said:

Yeah. Totally makes sense, right?

I am only on my second coffee so...hell no!



Jauhesammutin #14 Posted 09 January 2019 - 09:02 AM

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View PostJigabachi, on 09 January 2019 - 07:28 AM, said:

Sorting by the amount of matches played is just dumb. And a league system is the worst kind of skillbased MM.

Besides that, OP doesn't seem to know what a bot is. A new player with only a few matches played is a new player, not a bot. But with >40k matches played and 45%WR, OP himself is a true bot. Not sure if he realizes that...

 

To be honest, that's probably because of those <10 000 bots in his team. Without them he would easily have a 65-70% winrate.

gpalsson #15 Posted 09 January 2019 - 09:15 AM

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View PostGANDALF_WOT, on 08 January 2019 - 11:56 PM, said:

The solution to this terrible MM imbalance solution could be in 2 Leauges: Primary League and Bot League. The battle limit could be 10000 battles. Why that? Because bots with 500 batles only can get tier VIII premium tank and MM puts him in team with tier X average players battle 20-30000. Nowadays you have it in MM 3/5/7 template 3-4 premium tanks. You can not know who is in premiium tank and you suppose he will play "normally" but bots do not play as team expect and needs. Result is 15:1 in 4 minutes or like something that. So bots will play 10000 batles first to get experience and map knowledge and then will be transfered to Primary League. This will also eliminate players frustration for bots and experienced players as well. There will be no insulting between players as we have today. MM will be balanced again.

 

I totally agree. It's the players with less than 10k battles that are dragging you down. Same happened to me. I'm pretty sure we would both sport winrates way above 80% if it wasn't for the sub 10k battles trash that infest our teams. BIG THUMBS UP FROM ME!

250swb #16 Posted 09 January 2019 - 09:20 AM

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I tend to think players below 46% WR are bots while 46% to 50% WR just aren't very good (maybe they are improving if they haven't had many battles?). So using the number of battles isn't a good means to cull poor teams of persistently bad players. Besides which if you keep all the bots together they only become more and more bot-like, they have no room to play well even if the light did dawn on them. WG only need to implement a 'Plays poorly' report mode and when a bad player gets enough reports they are then limited to playing low tiers for a set period.

SABAOTH #17 Posted 09 January 2019 - 09:23 AM

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Actually this thread, although useless, gives a very good idea:

 

 

  • Protect new players with less than x k battles from sealclubbers at low tier (1 to 5).
  • A mix of Number of games and excluding higher win rates than 54% and above should be the cutoff (if they perform so well they don't need noob protection)
  • Platoons with more experienced players are out of the cutoff as they help already the poor seal

 

 

Stop the seal violence and repopulate the artic maps (and the others too)

 

 

 

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View PostBR33K1_PAWAH, on 09 January 2019 - 06:39 AM, said:

Put me in Bot League, pretty pls :)

 

Unfair plane!!1!

 

You will Kemp bush.... :sceptic: Stet pedder



yaourti #18 Posted 09 January 2019 - 09:56 AM

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Gandalf you need to get your bot upgraded before you will qualify for 'bot league'.

NUKLEAR_SLUG #19 Posted 09 January 2019 - 10:41 AM

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View Post250swb, on 09 January 2019 - 09:20 AM, said:

WG only need to implement a 'Plays poorly' report mode and when a bad player gets enough reports they are then limited to playing low tiers for a set period.

 

Good idea, I totally can't see that being abused in any way whatsoever.. :)



Balc0ra #20 Posted 09 January 2019 - 11:08 AM

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View PostSABAOTH, on 09 January 2019 - 09:23 AM, said:

Actually this thread, although useless, gives a very good idea:

 

 

  • Protect new players with less than x k battles from sealclubbers at low tier (1 to 5).
  • A mix of Number of games and excluding higher win rates than 54% and above should be the cutoff (if they perform so well they don't need noob protection)
  • Platoons with more experienced players are out of the cutoff as they help already the poor seal

 

They had it back in 2014/5 or when it was. But WG removed it for some reason just over a year later. No idea why. But that was for tier 1 to 3. And for anyone with less than 2500 battles. Regardless of WR. And platoons voided that protection if you had one with more then 2500 battles with you. As when it was active, you had 3 tanks at the most with less than 0K games on your team. As MM did put protected players in the normal MM. But never the other way around. 





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