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Poll: Matchmaking time (36 members have cast votes)

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Which Matchmaking do you prefer ?

  1. 3/5/7 (4 votes [11.11%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 11.11%

  2. 5/10 (15 votes [41.67%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 41.67%

  3. One tier only (17 votes [47.22%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 47.22%

Matchmaking 3/5/7

  1. 0-10 Sec (16 votes [44.44%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 44.44%

  2. 10-20 Sec (3 votes [8.33%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 8.33%

  3. 20-30 Sec (2 votes [5.56%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 5.56%

  4. 30-40 Sec (4 votes [11.11%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 11.11%

  5. Longer than 40 Sec (11 votes [30.56%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 30.56%

Matchmaking 5/10

  1. 0-10 Sec (7 votes [19.44%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 19.44%

  2. 10-20 Sec (8 votes [22.22%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 22.22%

  3. 20-30 Sec (6 votes [16.67%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 16.67%

  4. 30-40 Sec (6 votes [16.67%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 16.67%

  5. Longer than 40 Sec (9 votes [25.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 25.00%

Matchmaking one tier only

  1. 0-10 Sec. (8 votes [22.22%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 22.22%

  2. 10-20 Sec. (5 votes [13.89%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 13.89%

  3. 20-30 Sec. (5 votes [13.89%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 13.89%

  4. 30-40 Sec. (8 votes [22.22%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 22.22%

  5. Longer than 40 Sec. (10 votes [27.78%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 27.78%

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zarabuto #1 Posted 09 January 2019 - 01:18 PM

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Hello Community!
Lately it happens to me more often that I join in less than 2 seconds to a match in which I have to play low-tier.
I wonder why I have to play so often against 10-tiers with my 8-tiers when there are so many people wait to get in a match.
Personally I would prefer to join a fair match and wait a little longer for that.


Since this happens more often i want to make a survey how long each of us would probably wait until a match starts.

The survey should also distinguish how long you would wait for the different matchmaking. (3/5/7, 5/10 or one tier only)



eekeeboo #2 Posted 09 January 2019 - 07:34 PM

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Oddly from your statement, the longer you wait in the matchmaker the more likely you are to be put into an "unfair" game as the MM begins to run through other options to put you in those games (like low population times). 

unhappy_bunny #3 Posted 09 January 2019 - 08:24 PM

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I'm happy with things the way they are. Not saying its perfect, but then what is.

 

May I ask if you are going to post this on the German forum? Or any of the other forums, or have you decided just to honour the English speaking forum?



_Kalbo_ #4 Posted 09 January 2019 - 08:32 PM

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It’s a good vote....but they are not interested.....queue times will increase regardless of what they do now as fewer players will bother the way the current match maker is.....the Xmas fuss is nearly over and the number of players playing will drop.....sticking your head in the sand thinking everything will be ok is not the way to treat customers.

Bordhaw #5 Posted 09 January 2019 - 09:35 PM

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View Postzarabuto, on 09 January 2019 - 12:18 PM, said:


The survey should also distinguish how long you would wait for the different matchmaking. (3/5/7, 5/10 or one tier only)

 

 



Robbie_T #6 Posted 10 January 2019 - 12:55 AM

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Dont know what people talking about

If i am tier 8 most battles are against 8/9  or 8/9/10 but only 3 10's in it,

Only time when im always low tier is in platoon.than 90% of my games are against 9 and 10.(like it should)

and 1 in the 10 batles we are top tier.

and for most classes it dont matter that much 

tier 8 tds got good pen 

if i am a LT i want to be the low tier

Arty i dont care but rather be mid or low tier.

only the med and HT having problems being low tier and in that case i am most times a wingman for my higher tiers (if you are the low tier its not about you)

 

 



BlackBloodBandit #7 Posted 10 January 2019 - 02:36 AM

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none of the above. sometimes I wait for a very short time and constantly get trash mm. wait for a long time and trash mm.  80% bottomtier with the tanks I play and when finally being toptier, team melts in 3 min and no dpm to carry the match.

PabloGee #8 Posted 10 January 2019 - 04:24 AM

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View PostRobbie_T, on 09 January 2019 - 11:55 PM, said:

Dont know what people talking about

If i am tier 8 most battles are against 8/9  or 8/9/10 but only 3 10's in it,

Only time when im always low tier is in platoon.than 90% of my games are against 9 and 10.(like it should)

and 1 in the 10 batles we are top tier.

and for most classes it dont matter that much 

tier 8 tds got good pen 

if i am a LT i want to be the low tier

Arty i dont care but rather be mid or low tier.

only the med and HT having problems being low tier and in that case i am most times a wingman for my higher tiers (if you are the low tier its not about you)

 

 

 

Because you are supported by WG - you have terrible win rate . The good players are 90 % bottom tier. This only confirms that MM is rigged 

Soup_Potato #9 Posted 10 January 2019 - 05:49 AM

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View PostPabloGee, on 10 January 2019 - 04:24 AM, said:

Because you are supported by WG - you have terrible win rate . The good players are 90 % bottom tier. This only confirms that MM is rigged 

 

What are you on about? Good players get worse MM? :facepalm:

 

If better players get worse MM, then why I regularly get to be top tier in my tier 8s and 7s. ''regularly'' in this case means ~20%, possibly even 30% (it sure has been more common lately). Of course I suffer from the 3/5/7 negative effect just like everyone else. The MM is same for everyone, so I have no idea what you're on about when you say ''good players are 90% bottom tier'' and claim MM to be rigged


Robbie_T is right about some things. TDs, LTs and SPGs are generally better played as bottom tier. Those classes, if given the opportunity in map rotation are well capable to do their job in the match as bottom tier. Personally I don't mind and even like to play tier 8 mediums as bottom tier. Heavy tanks although are the ones suffering from being bottom tier too often. As a bottom tier, armor isn't so important anymore so heavies suffer. There are exceptions but in general this applies.


Edited by Soup_Potato, 10 January 2019 - 05:54 AM.


malachi6 #10 Posted 10 January 2019 - 06:13 AM

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I have such little knowledge of how to make a MM that satisfies 51% of the player base. I am not even going to vote in a poll that rehashes the thing people are currently complaining about

NUKLEAR_SLUG #11 Posted 10 January 2019 - 06:59 AM

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View PostSoup_Potato, on 10 January 2019 - 05:49 AM, said:

 

What are you on about? Good players get worse MM? :facepalm:

 

Yes, didn't you realise he's actually a unicum level player?

 

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Edited by Jenny001, 10 January 2019 - 12:06 PM.
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Robbie_T #12 Posted 10 January 2019 - 05:28 PM

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View PostPabloGee, on 10 January 2019 - 04:24 AM, said:

 

Because you are supported by WG - you have terrible win rate . The good players are 90 % bottom tier. This only confirms that MM is rigged 

 

I better be supported! by all the money i gave them!;)

Almost 49%winrate  aint to bad +i didnt reset my stats (like a lot of unicums)so this overall stat is from when i was a little tanker.

Getting my [edited]raped by super unicom platoons playing low tiers in Op tanks and crew praying on new players.

But if 49% is terrible what do you call 42%winrate?

And how can they be 42% because what you say they should get the good grps becuase wg support them?

 

Myoverall wn8 is 800 (not to good) but lately its always between 1000 and 1400 average.

Same with winrate overall its 48.8 but last year its more like 50%or above (with exception of last week holiday)

So slowly my overall getting better.

But hey i dont care Xvm see me as yellow player less arty shell comming my way.

I know some clanmates who have 55%winrate they get bombarded by arty the whole battle.

 

 


Edited by Robbie_T, 10 January 2019 - 05:32 PM.


knightstale #13 Posted 12 January 2019 - 12:05 AM

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Ive heard about the issue about how long time it takes to load in a game. Long time = you not top tier. I have tried to jump out of queue but I havent noticed if it helps. But I just re-bought the KV4 for a mission and played it 15 games from 8 pm to 01 am. I didnt have a single tier 8 game that night. 11 tier 10 games and 4 tier 9 games.  Only played that tank - no in between. So MM definitely needs a overhaul. As tier 8 you get .... and ..... and then again.

Mike_Mckay #14 Posted 12 January 2019 - 02:36 PM

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Having one tier games is a "nice" idea at face value, but like most "nice" ideas it doesn't stand up to reality

We have tanks which for their tier perform 1 or 2 tiers higher or lower compared to the majority of tanks in their tier, either extremely crap by comparison or extremely OP by comparison, so effectively even in a 1 tier match you could have what is effectively like playing -5 for some players and +5 for others when an excessively bad tank for that tier faces off against an excessively good tank for that tier

This is a problem WG has created by design with the introduction of OP tanks and then instead of heavily nerfing them or removing them they are "slooooooooooooooly"  and in some cases "allegedly" changing the HUNDREDS of other tanks to fit in around the handful that break the meta which is possibly the most retarded thing ever and is enough to make someone suspect whoever came up with that idea must have had parents that were brother and sister as nothing else would explain such a lack of mental acuity

A potentially "better" alternative might be to set an upper and lower limit to certain stats like DPM, penetration, view range, armour and other things for each vehicle class giving tanks both their TT "tier" and a real world tier with the later  being used to pick tanks for battles. That way you could have tanks 3, 4 or 5 tiers apart but which would still be far more evenly matched than we would get now with a single tier game
 
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View Postknightstale, on 11 January 2019 - 11:05 PM, said:

Ive heard about the issue about how long time it takes to load in a game. Long time = you not top tier. I have tried to jump out of queue but I havent noticed if it helps. But I just re-bought the KV4 for a mission and played it 15 games from 8 pm to 01 am. I didnt have a single tier 8 game that night. 11 tier 10 games and 4 tier 9 games.  Only played that tank - no in between. So MM definitely needs a overhaul. As tier 8 you get .... and ..... and then again.

 

Nah, it just means the matchmaker has figured out whether your account or chosen tank is on the cannon fodder list or the easy win list and is then waiting to find a game to match your account :)

SABAOTH #15 Posted 12 January 2019 - 02:57 PM

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View PostRobbie_T, on 10 January 2019 - 05:28 PM, said:

 

 

i didnt reset my stats (like a lot of unicums)so this overall stat is from when i was a little tanker.

 

 

 

 

Oh, I did not notice that, are you confusing with sealclubbers?



Gkirmathal #16 Posted 12 January 2019 - 03:11 PM

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View Posteekeeboo, on 09 January 2019 - 06:34 PM, said:

Oddly from your statement, the longer you wait in the matchmaker the more likely you are to be put into an "unfair" game as the MM begins to run through other options to put you in those games (like low population times). 

 

Depends on how you interpret his post, as it is rather minimally argument-ed and explained.

 

How I interpret his post and poll is as follows:

First thing he polls, is which of the three templates has your preference of be given priority (in general), or in other words which template should be chosen first by the mm system to build a match with.

The latter poll questions can be interpreted as the preferred min/max time thresholds in seconds, that one wants to wait for the mm to gather players and build a match, after which it picks one of the next lower prioritized templates.

Though the latter poll Q's should be based on what was chosen in the first question of the poll: which template should be given priority. 

 

His poll also lacks some details. But that would make the poll extremely complicated and long.


Edited by Gkirmathal, 12 January 2019 - 03:15 PM.






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