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Ubervold #1 Posted 10 January 2019 - 11:26 PM

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Which tier IX TD is better, Jagdtiger or Object 263, and why?

 

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KillingJoker #2 Posted 10 January 2019 - 11:33 PM

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263... without any doubt

 

faster, better armor, and more suitable for aggressive gameplay...

 

the jagtiger armor is poor overal, specially on the sides, very tall tank, very slow as well... 

the 263 leads to one of the most Op tanks in the game, the jagtiger to the Jpz E100.

 

its not even a contest



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263. for the reasons joker just said.

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To be fair, depends on what you search for in a TD.

263 is indeed faster and better armoured on the front. The gun is rubbish tho and it suffers from arty being an open top tank. The speed allows very aggressive gameplay, but the bad gun forces you to short range, where the weackspots it has are easier to hit. Looks fun tho.

JTiger is slower, armour is less reliable, but it has a really nice gun that combine a good alpha with DPM. It's better suited for medium to long range fight but can also play as aggressive first line tank when top tier or as a first line support to HTs.



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Jadgtiger is better if you like to hang back as the gun on it is monstrous.

263 is better if you're the get up in their face type as you've got the armour to do it and and at that range you can't miss.

Simeon85 #6 Posted 11 January 2019 - 10:48 AM

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263, though the Jagdtigers gun is much better and probably the Jagdtiger is more comfortable to play considering its accurate, has good shell velocity, good DPM, a massively powerful APCR round (263 has only 300 pen APCR, which will actually struggle with super heavies) and of course almost twice the gun depression on a tank with the gun not mounted on the back. 

 

I think if you can work around the 263s awkwardness then it's the more competitive tank because it's armour and mobility is much better, but the Jt is quite a reliable and comfortable platform for a turretless TD.  



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Interesting topic. I've nearly unlocked the Jagged Tiger :P so interested to see players feedback. I certainly find the 263 more difficult to defeat in combat as it seems to have some troll frontal armor for an open top TD. You get tricked into thinking it's maybe a papery TD but it ain't! The 263 is much faster so I'd probably prefer it though it doesn't seem to turn well at all and it only has -4 gun dep which really has to suck.

 

What would tempt me to try the JTiger is the gun stats. It seems reasonably armored if you're just showing from the upper hull hosing the gun, especially if you can get some lean back angle on that and exploit the superior -7.5 gun dep but the gun just reads so much better. They're about the same alpha but when both are cranked up to the best they can be, the JT is shooting every 9 seconds vs the 263 12.4 seconds. You might think hey, that's only 3.5 seconds but when you're engaging ranks of advancing heavies you must consider the penalty of a slower reload across 4-6 shots uninterrupted, so by just the 3rd reload the 263 is already over 10 seconds behind the JT. 3.5k+ DPM vs 2.6k+ dpm and since both do about the same alpha, that's a pretty damn big gap. JT has superior shell velocity, dispersion and when things get ugly with a some OP armor enemy, the JT has premium pen of 352mm but the 263 falls a long way short with just 300mm... and again, JT wins the speed race with 1,500ms vs 1000ms shell speed. 490 view range with optics and food, decent crew etc vs the 263 and it's 442 at best.

 

I know both will have very much different playstyles and like I said, I find the 263 tougher to fight but that's probably because I'm only remembering fighting them close quarters. I'm sure a JT has demolished me from long range and I so I just don't remember it as much. Interesting styles.



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^ The Jts gun is amazing, it has a great combo of alpha, DPM, pen, velocity, accuracy and ok soft stats.

 

It's just the platform is pretty bad as the armour barely works and its pretty slow, but if you want a TD that will just hit and damage the things that appear in front of you and do big damage, there are not many better in the game.

 

The JpE100 would be way better if its gun was more like the Jagdtigers, not a high alpha one trick pony. 



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Armor and mobility vs health and gun
(not in absolute, but compared between them)

It's your choice, I usually lose games in the jtiger because it's slow and I can't relocate reliably plus armor work so so, I win games in the jtiger because the gun it's like a railgun.
I also get supermad because I have huge expectations from the accuracy of the gun that I try to hit pixels km away, ofc rng give the finger.
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Ubervold #10 Posted 11 January 2019 - 08:04 PM

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Thanks for your input, I did not really like any of the tier VIII TD:s leading up to the 263 and JT. JP2 had some mobility but not much more and the SU-101 was more or less useless against higher tier tanks, and they were both tier VIII...

I´ll probably start with the 263 since I like mobility and tanks with some armor.



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View PostUbervold, on 11 January 2019 - 08:04 PM, said:

Thanks for your input, I did not really like any of the tier VIII TD:s leading up to the 263 and JT. JP2 had some mobility but not much more and the SU-101 was more or less useless against higher tier tanks, and they were both tier VIII...

I´ll probably start with the 263 since I like mobility and tanks with some armor.

 

Just a couple of suggestion for better use 263 armour.

Apart from the obvious LFP weackspot, the tank also have a weack frontal engine deck and the lower part of the UPF is a flat 250mm plate. Pay attention too them and don't be to eager to facehug enemy. :)



DeadLecter #12 Posted 11 January 2019 - 09:11 PM

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Out of all the T9 TDs I have played and owned:

FV 4004 Conway

Object 704

STRV 103-0

T30

Wt Auf PZ IV

and honestly you can't go wrong with any of them. They are all good and offer something unique. 

1) Conway has great DPM combined with turret and nice alpha and 2 choices for guns

2) 50 Foch has a unique autoloader

3) Jadgitger has a very decent combination of everything

4) 263 same as Jadgtiger but has better mobility but less DPM and better armor

5) 704 has huge alpha, nice DPM and moblity. A good all rounder.

6) 103-0 is the long range sniper with the highest base pen and accuracy.

7) T30 is like conway but with bigger alpha and turret armor instead less mobility and worse DPM.

8) Tortoise is like Jadgtiger with better DPM but worse pen and lower alpha but way better gun depression and slow.

9)Wt Auf PZ IV is a turreted sniper with 2 choices of guns. High camo, mediocre mobility and pretty accurate but weird gun depression and very high DPM or lower DPM and high alpha.

10) WZ 111G FT is pretty much the Chinese clone of 704 except it has better HE shells and more armor, traded for worse mobility and slower shells.

 

Like I said you can't go wrong with any of them but at TX most of them aren't competitive. Only 103-0 leads to a nice sniper that puts the fear of god into any tank. 

Conway leads to FV 4005 II which is fun tank but extremely unreliable. Jg Pz is meh at best. E4 is outdated and 60TP pretty does everything better except for penetration. Badger is good for holding choke points but the line in general is quite a pain and the tank doesn't seem that good either which is why you never see them in randoms. Same thing applies for 268 and WZ 113G FT. Both are useless. Foch B is only good if you only fire gold ammo. V4 is still useful just not like before. And Grille 15 can be a nice tank on some maps. Except that stupid camo rating kills it.



anonym_32bOyLluvSuR #13 Posted 11 January 2019 - 09:15 PM

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3 letters

 

 

T95



DorsVenabiIi #14 Posted 11 January 2019 - 09:16 PM

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263 has ridiculous armor if you can hide lowerplate.  

gunslingerXXX #15 Posted 11 January 2019 - 09:17 PM

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Nice topic, I've just bought the JagdTiger and almost researched the SU101. Didn't really intended to move up that Soviet line as the tier 7 is a beast and I'm not really interested in the bobject, but the 263 sounds really nice...
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3 letters

 

 

T95

 

1 letter 2 digits?

anonym_32bOyLluvSuR #16 Posted 11 January 2019 - 09:27 PM

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Ok,

 

1 letter and 2 digits

 

T95

 

somehow it doesn't t feel as punchy :(



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View PostDiscontinued, on 11 January 2019 - 09:27 PM, said:

Ok,

 

1 letter and 2 digits

 

T95

 

somehow it doesn't t feel as punchy :(

 

sorry about that... doesn't sound good like this I agree

 



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View PostKillingJoker, on 10 January 2019 - 11:33 PM, said:

263... without any doubt

 

faster, better armor, and more suitable for aggressive gameplay...

 

the jagtiger armor is poor overal, specially on the sides, very tall tank, very slow as well... 

the 263 leads to one of the most Op tanks in the game, the jagtiger to the Jpz E100.

 

its not even a contest

 

The JpZ E100's I meet seem just as OP as the bobject, or worse the FV 4005

etody77 #19 Posted 11 January 2019 - 10:58 PM

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Jgtiger have a good gun, if you like guns

obj 263 is a good first line TD, in close combat, with a teammate to watch your sides is good

T95...well, in a good corridor....

i liked the most the chinese tier 9 TD

maybe for high damage on HE shells...



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View PostUbervold, on 11 January 2019 - 07:04 PM, said:

Thanks for your input, I did not really like any of the tier VIII TD:s leading up to the 263 and JT. JP2 had some mobility but not much more and the SU-101 was more or less useless against higher tier tanks, and they were both tier VIII...

I´ll probably start with the 263 since I like mobility and tanks with some armor.

 

Good luck with your tank I'm sure you'll do well regardless since it's still a T9 and even if you end up not liking it much you're that much closer to a Bobject so... always light at the end of the tunnel worst case scenario. :)




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