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undutchable80 #1 Posted 11 January 2019 - 07:58 AM

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Hey guys. 

 

So it finally looks like the US is going to get their T8 premium TD!

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I just started on the T28, so I am interested in your thoughts on this thing. Stats of course subject to change. ;)

 

EDIT: Dezgamez and QB did a preview of it on YT. 

 

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Edited by undutchable80, 11 January 2019 - 07:58 AM.


Dava_117 #2 Posted 11 January 2019 - 08:32 AM

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From the stat looks like a better T28. It has better frontal armour, better APCR round, good DPM. Only accuracy is worst, but guess it's to force the users to first line fight...



Dio_Eneru #3 Posted 11 January 2019 - 08:40 AM

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I'd wait until they introduce it to take a decision. They may buff it (don't look that op, and tier 8 prem tanks has to be op, right wg?). Btw it looks good, in top tier games you can just farm everyone without getting pend,  sadly enough it' rare to be top tier. If you like t28 you might like this slightly better version.

Simeon85 #4 Posted 11 January 2019 - 09:20 AM

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A better, premium,  T28 is worrying because the current T28 is performing like this since its buffs -

 

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And that performance is with the current terrible tier 8 MM, if MM gets fixed the T28 is going to basically be a press RRR to win monster if it starts seeing more tier 6s and 7s, 

 

As usual when WG buffs armoured tanks they over do it, T28 is basically as OP as the T95 now (and the Torty which also got overbuffed).

 

Hopefully this premium is going to have more viable weakspots, as the T28 has two small troll cupolas, that you have to hit flush to pen and the lower plate is still like 230-240 effective. 



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Looks like a decent premium tank .. I'm wondering atm if this might be one of those upcoming frontline reward tanks ..

Wintermute_1 #6 Posted 11 January 2019 - 10:26 AM

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Slow, frontally armoured, non turret and inaccurate. Something I will happily never want.

LordMuffin #7 Posted 11 January 2019 - 10:48 AM

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It is more or less a slightly better T28 right now.
T28 is already to strong so...

It wouldn't surprise me if it got some buffs before release though.

DuncaN_101 #8 Posted 11 January 2019 - 12:27 PM

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View PostLordMuffin, on 11 January 2019 - 10:48 AM, said:

It is more or less a slightly better T28 right now.
T28 is already to strong so...

It wouldn't surprise me if it got some buffs before release though.

This

 

The T28 is very comfortable to play at the moment and it was no struggle grinding this line sinds the buff. 

 

I really hope it won't be to much more powerful than the T28. 

 

Saying all this  It is nice to see they are putting in a yank prem TD beside the tiny scorpion. 



XxKuzkina_MatxX #9 Posted 11 January 2019 - 12:41 PM

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The model looks very good IMO. It got worse accuracy than the T28 and i suspect worse armor layout but better DPM and gold pen.

 

The stats looks very un-american to me, 5° of gun depression and 0.44 dispersion! Can't WG find the right balance without mangling the nation's defining traits?



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View PostWintermute_1, on 11 January 2019 - 10:26 AM, said:

Slow, frontally armoured, non turret and inaccurate. Something I will happily never want.

 

but is ideal for 75% of WoT maps :sceptic:

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View PostDava_117, on 11 January 2019 - 08:32 AM, said:

From the stat looks like a better T28. It has better frontal armour, better APCR round, good DPM. Only accuracy is worst, but guess it's to force the users to first line fight...

 

WG did respond to several responses to the FB announcement on this tank. And there they claimed the weakspot will be the massive lower plate. If that means it will be 220+ when the mantle is 260, and thus weaker then the rest. Or not even 160 effective remains to be seen. Or if the cupola is sub 100mm or 220mm. So let's wait until the armor layout before we come to that conclusion. For all we know this will be another Foch B hype, and it will be on par or worse than the T28 in most situations. Or even better. But it's a larger target vs the T28, not much faster and apparently will have god awful shell speed to be effective at long range. And good DPM? Most seem to forget that the T28 has 2750 DPM as is, not 2100. So the DPM jump on this is minimal vs it. 

 

But like the other armored US TD's. The side and rear won't bounce much. And it seems the rear is weak enough for the upcoming HE shells on even the tier 6 wheeled French. 

 

 

View Postundutchable80, on 11 January 2019 - 07:58 AM, said:

Hey guys. 

 

So it finally looks like the US is going to get their T8 premium TD!

 

One thing many have pointed out... FL will have tier 8 rewards. For all we know this is one of them, and it won't be sold. 

 


Edited by Balc0ra, 11 January 2019 - 01:05 PM.


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View PostXxKuzkina_MatxX, on 11 January 2019 - 12:41 PM, said:

The model looks very good IMO. It got worse accuracy than the T28 and i suspect worse armor layout but better DPM and gold pen.

 

The stats looks very un-american to me, 5° of gun depression and 0.44 dispersion! Can't WG find the right balance without mangling the nation's defining traits?

 

The T28 has -5 gun depression btw, as does the T95 (unsurprising as they are basically the same tank) then the T25AT has -10 and the E3 has -8.

 

Then the all the turreted TDs have -10 gun depression, except for the E4 which has -6, because reasons.

 

So not sure there is a defining trait for US TDs when it comes to gun depression, and plus US tanks tend to have average to bad accuracy as well, like the M46 Patton having 0.39 for a med. 

 

View PostBalc0ra, on 11 January 2019 - 01:03 PM, said:

 

WG did respond to several responses to the FB announcement on this tank. And there they claimed the weakspot will be the massive lower plate. If that means it will be 220+ when the mantle is 260, and thus weaker then the rest. Or not even 160 effective remains to be seen. ​

 

 

Let's hope so because without it I think this will be a tier 8 T95 and OP. 



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View PostSimeon85, on 11 January 2019 - 02:10 PM, said:

 

The T28 has -5 gun depression btw, as does the T95 (unsurprising as they are basically the same tank) then the T25AT has -10 and the E3 has -8.

 

Then the all the turreted TDs have -10 gun depression, except for the E4 which has -6, because reasons.

 

So not sure there is a defining trait for US TDs when it comes to gun depression, and plus US tanks tend to have average to bad accuracy as well, like the M46 Patton having 0.39 for a med.

 

Which tier 8 TD premium or standard has 5° of gun depression, 400 alpha and 0.44 dispersion?

 

Also gun depression and good accuracy are defining traits of american tanks so what's your point? That these 3 tanks are the exception? Ok! but isn't the premium supposed to be build to represent the nation's main characteristics for better overall design?



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View PostLCpl_Jones, on 11 January 2019 - 01:02 PM, said:

but is ideal for 75% of WoT maps :sceptic:

 

I play the E3, one of these things is enough for me. 2 of them would be well over doing it.



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View PostXxKuzkina_MatxX, on 11 January 2019 - 01:24 PM, said:

 

Which tier 8 TD premium or standard has 5° of gun depression, 400 alpha and 0.44 dispersion?

 

Also gun depression and good accuracy are defining traits of american tanks so what's your point? That these 3 tanks are the exception? Ok! but isn't the premium supposed to be build to represent the nation's main characteristics for better overall design?

 

I don't really see your point, the characteristics of US meds and heavies are pretty irrelevant, this is basically a premium crew trainer for the turretless TD line and it matches those in characteristics pretty much. 

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View PostSimeon85, on 11 January 2019 - 12:10 PM, said:

 

The T28 has -5 gun depression btw, as does the T95 (unsurprising as they are basically the same tank) then the T25AT has -10 and the E3 has -8.

 

Then the all the turreted TDs have -10 gun depression, except for the E4 which has -6, because reasons.

 

So not sure there is a defining trait for US TDs when it comes to gun depression, and plus US tanks tend to have average to bad accuracy as well, like the M46 Patton having 0.39 for a med. 

 

 

Let's hope so because without it I think this will be a tier 8 T95 and OP. 

 

I never understood why E4 has only -6 gun dep when he has a turret big as a house, meanwhile LT-432 with a turret same height as the gun has -7 gun dep because russian magic...

 

About this new premium, the first thing that came to my mind when i saw it was ''oh look, a premium T95, what could go wrong (kappa)''



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View PostSimeon85, on 11 January 2019 - 03:42 PM, said:

 

I don't really see your point, the characteristics of US meds and heavies are pretty irrelevant, this is basically a premium crew trainer for the turretless TD line and it matches those in characteristics pretty much. 

 

I don't see yours too but you made one anyway so we might as well discuss whatever you said about american meds and TDs!

 

For better game design in general the premium should represent to a degree the tech tree it belongs to. It's the same as having a 4 crew trainer for 5 crew tanks or something completely bizarre like the T55a as a german medium!

 

For this particular TD, i'd like to see it with normal dispersion, usable gun depression, less DPM than the tech tree T28 and weaker lower plate to force people into using terrain. That way it's different than the T28 yet conforms to the general characteristics of american tanks.

 

Adding annoying things for the sake of imaginary "balance" was my point. It makes the tank bad for no useful reason. Balance shouldn't make the tank annoying to play or to play against.


Edited by XxKuzkina_MatxX, 11 January 2019 - 03:04 PM.


Xandania #18 Posted 11 January 2019 - 03:10 PM

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Given the picture with the superstructure, it might be higher than the t-28 with the gun at the lower upper part. Not too sure what to think of that....

EllemennT #19 Posted 11 January 2019 - 03:18 PM

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I was able to bully tier 10 baddies in T28, on my way to doom turtle. This will also be a tuff nut to crack,tho I don't like the good armor + derpy gun combo. Gives me 'shoot gold at me and I will shoot gold at you' vibes.

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Was hoping for a turret-TD... In every way, shape or form, it would have been more fun. 





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