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MyArmorIsGolden #1 Posted 13 January 2019 - 08:50 PM

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Im [edited]tired of it.

http://wotreplays.eu...olden-conqueror

heat penetrates from gun mantlet.........



SuedKAT #2 Posted 13 January 2019 - 09:01 PM

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The WZ-111 model 1-4 have 340 HEAT pen, his first shoot landed about here:

Then the 50TP overmatched your turret roof and then the WZ either did the same or hit the cupola, then I didn't bother watching more.



Nishi_Kinuyo #3 Posted 13 January 2019 - 09:06 PM

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Maybe because the spot he hit is only 177.8mm rar with a hole behind it?

While his HEAT pen is 340mm.



MyArmorIsGolden #4 Posted 13 January 2019 - 09:08 PM

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View PostSuedKAT, on 13 January 2019 - 09:01 PM, said:

The WZ-111 model 1-4 have 340 HEAT pen, his first shoot landed about here:

Then the 50TP overmatched your turret roof and then the WZ either did the same or hit the cupola, then I didn't bother watching more.

check it with wz s heat ammo. it says nan. also 50 tp didnt overmatched. there is no overmatch spot for him.


Edited by MyArmorIsGolden, 13 January 2019 - 09:08 PM.


Nishi_Kinuyo #5 Posted 13 January 2019 - 09:10 PM

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View PostMyArmorIsGolden, on 13 January 2019 - 09:08 PM, said:

check it with wz s heat ammo. it says nan. also 50 tp didnt overmatched. there is no overmatch spot for him.

Then I think he hit the red strip of armour at the top of the turret just above the mantlet for like 77% chance to pen with HEAT.



MyArmorIsGolden #6 Posted 13 January 2019 - 09:20 PM

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View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 13 January 2019 - 09:10 PM, said:

Then I think he hit the red strip of armour at the top of the turret just above the mantlet for like 77% chance to pen with HEAT.

 

he literally hit the mantlet. you can easily see that in replay.

Balc0ra #7 Posted 13 January 2019 - 09:53 PM

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View PostMyArmorIsGolden, on 13 January 2019 - 09:08 PM, said:

check it with wz s heat ammo. it says nan. also 50 tp didnt overmatched. there is no overmatch spot for him.

 

In that spot with AP? Sure. But with HEAT? It should be absorbed with that gap and all the modules behind it. Unless ofc your client and server had a hiccup in the argument about the marker placement. As if he hit above or right beside it. Sure. But right there? Not really. 

 

As for the shot right after with the 50tp? Roof is 50mm. He has a 130mm gun. That's about 20mm to little to overmatch it. Based on the stretched hitmaker. I suspect the shell's center line hit the front plate right above the mantle, and below the roof. That he should at that angle have about a 70% chance to pen. 

 

The 2nd shot from the WZ I again suspect hit in the hitbox area between the roof and the mantle. As again the shell only has a hitbox along the center line, it doesn't matter how thin that area is. That and the visual area there vs the hitboxes is bigger. As the model there is not armor, it's just tarp if you will over the mantle. And the armor area there is smaller. But the marker goes over the model, not the armor or hitbox layout under it. 

 

4th shot doesn't matter as that was a Type derp. 

 

Only thing I am a bit baffled about is the 1st shot. But again if the hit location vs the server is off. As not all loss of data comes as a red light. As that's the only thing I can see it being. 

 

Edited: My phones auto correct turned on again mixing languages. 

 


Edited by Balc0ra, 13 January 2019 - 10:08 PM.


MyArmorIsGolden #8 Posted 13 January 2019 - 10:02 PM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 13 January 2019 - 09:53 PM, said:

 

In that spot with AP? Sure. But with HEAT? It should be aborbed with that gap and all the modules behind it. Unless ofc your client and server had a hicup in the argument about the marker placment. As if he hit above or right besides it. Sure. But right there? Not really. 

 

As for the shot right after with the 50tp? Roof is 50mm. He has a 130mm gun. That's about 20mm to little to overmatch it. Based on the streched hitmarker. I suspect the shell's center line hit the front plate right above the mantle, and below the roof. That he should at that angle have about a 70% chance to pen. 

 

The 2nd shot from the WZ I again suspect hit in the hitbox area between the roof and the mantle. As again the shell only has a hitbox along the center line, it don't matter how thin that area is. That and the visual area there vs the hitboxes is bigger. As the model there is not armor, it's just tarp if you will over the mantle. And the armor area there is smaller. But the marker goes over the model, not the armor or hitbox layout under it. 

 

4th shot don't matter as that was a Type derp. 

 

Only thing I am a bit baffeld about is the 1st shot. But again if the hit location vs the server is off. As not all loss of data come as a red light. As that's the only thing I can see it being. 

 

 

first shot is indeed strange. its not rare for me tho. whenever i take heat from that spot. it pens.

PervyPastryPuffer #9 Posted 13 January 2019 - 10:06 PM

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Let Jim do the explaining:

 



MyArmorIsGolden #10 Posted 13 January 2019 - 10:29 PM

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View PostPervyPastryPuffer, on 13 January 2019 - 10:06 PM, said:

Let Jim do the explaining:

 

 



Nishi_Kinuyo #11 Posted 13 January 2019 - 10:29 PM

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View PostMyArmorIsGolden, on 13 January 2019 - 09:20 PM, said:

 

he literally hit the mantlet. you can easily see that in replay.

Then you might want to go to specsavers.

View PostBalc0ra, on 13 January 2019 - 09:53 PM, said:

 

In that spot with AP? Sure. But with HEAT? It should be absorbed with that gap and all the modules behind it. Unless ofc your client and server had a hiccup in the argument about the marker placement. As if he hit above or right beside it. Sure. But right there? Not really. 

 

As for the shot right after with the 50tp? Roof is 50mm. He has a 130mm gun. That's about 20mm to little to overmatch it. Based on the stretched hitmaker. I suspect the shell's center line hit the front plate right above the mantle, and below the roof. That he should at that angle have about a 70% chance to pen.

Roof is 50.8mm for some reason, which means that 152.4mm shells still cannot triple overmatch it.

However, double overmatch is still a thing, afaik.

Which would increase the 50TP's normalisation to 7,16% (and 17,91% if AP :amazed:), although I wonder if that would be enough to make the angle of impact less than the maximum 70 degrees. :confused:

Your second theory matches mine, though, and if one looks closely one can see the hit market on the turret front in the location indicated.

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View PostMyArmorIsGolden, on 13 January 2019 - 10:02 PM, said:

 

first shot is indeed strange. its not rare for me tho. whenever i take heat from that spot. it pens.

And I along with a few other forumites had our tanks penetrated by shells hitting the front of our barrel.

Your point being?


Edited by Nishi_Kinuyo, 13 January 2019 - 10:34 PM.


Xandania #12 Posted 14 January 2019 - 10:50 AM

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Which sort of pen? Regular ink or ballpoint?

Also, without proper insulation most things conduct heat rather well.




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