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Hayton #1 Posted 16 January 2019 - 01:20 PM

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Most people are sick of always being part of the 7 and whatever MM system WoT comes up with will pee someone off,so why not just have a little tick box that lets you play in your own tier only?That way players have a choice and a lot of the MM complaining will vanish.I don't mean grand battles,but just ordinary battles.Go on WoT just do it!

Erwin_Von_Braun #2 Posted 16 January 2019 - 01:31 PM

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Where is the challenge in that?

 



Hayton #3 Posted 16 January 2019 - 01:35 PM

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View PostErwin_Von_Braun, on 16 January 2019 - 01:31 PM, said:

Where is the challenge in that?

 

 

I don't want to always have the challenge of fighting tens in an eight and besides I'm talking about having the option to play in your own tier only,so you could always leave the tick box unchecked and have your "challenge".

MrClark56 #4 Posted 16 January 2019 - 01:39 PM

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It would be nice for the first 10-20 battles in a stock tank to face lower or equal tier vehicles. And then when upgraded abit.. then get the full +2tiers hammer in the face.  It would help hard grinds alot. 

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View PostMrClark56, on 16 January 2019 - 12:39 PM, said:

It would be nice for the first 10-20 battles in a stock tank to face lower or equal tier vehicles. And then when upgraded abit.. then get the full +2tiers hammer in the face.  It would help hard grinds alot.

 

A damn fine idea sir :honoring:
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View PostHayton, on 16 January 2019 - 12:35 PM, said:

 

I don't want to always have the challenge of fighting tens in an eight and besides I'm talking about having the option to play in your own tier only,so you could always leave the tick box unchecked and have your "challenge".

 

I see your point - however, some of us don't want the easy route :izmena:

1ucky #6 Posted 16 January 2019 - 01:42 PM

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View PostHayton, on 16 January 2019 - 01:35 PM, said:

 

I don't want to always have the challenge of fighting tens in an eight and besides I'm talking about having the option to play in your own tier only,so you could always leave the tick box unchecked and have your "challenge".

 

You could also play some other game if you don't like WoT the way it is.

Leepants #7 Posted 16 January 2019 - 01:44 PM

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Because WoTs main aim is to be in the matchmaker for as little time as possible, so in a one-tier spread, the MM could take a while to find a match whilst still balancing the HT / MT / LT etc ratio.

Edited by Leepants, 16 January 2019 - 01:44 PM.


BR33K1_PAWAH #8 Posted 16 January 2019 - 01:46 PM

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Frontline.

Hayton #9 Posted 16 January 2019 - 01:46 PM

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View Post1ucky, on 16 January 2019 - 01:42 PM, said:

 

You could also play some other game if you don't like WoT the way it is.

 

Thanks for that constructive non point 

jack_timber #10 Posted 16 January 2019 - 01:47 PM

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View PostHayton, on 16 January 2019 - 12:20 PM, said:

Most people are sick of always being part of the 7 and whatever MM system WoT comes up with will pee someone off,so why not just have a little tick box that lets you play in your own tier only?That way players have a choice and a lot of the MM complaining will vanish.I don't mean grand battles,but just ordinary battles.Go on WoT just do it!

 

Yes why not, rather likes Mrclark56 suggestion though.

Personally I don't mind being bottom tier, I know my place :)



Hayton #11 Posted 16 January 2019 - 01:48 PM

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View PostLeepants, on 16 January 2019 - 01:44 PM, said:

Because WoTs main aim is to be in the matchmaker for as little time as possible, so in a one-tier spread, the MM could take a while to find a match whilst still balancing the HT / MT / LT etc ratio.

 

Well they managed to do it in the Grand Battles without much wait in the queue and even if there was a bit more of a wait I don't think people would mind if they thought they were getting a fairer game.

Geno1isme #12 Posted 16 January 2019 - 02:16 PM

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View PostHayton, on 16 January 2019 - 02:48 PM, said:

Well they managed to do it in the Grand Battles without much wait in the queue and even if there was a bit more of a wait I don't think people would mind if they thought they were getting a fairer game.

 

There is a reason why you can't enter Grand Battles specifically: The MM will only create one if the queue status actually supports it. Also the fact that GB are limited to T8+10 plays a role here. Esp. in lower tiers you'd encounter massive issues with your idea.

I'm always wondering what people consider "a bit more wait"? There is a reason why WG focuses on minimizing the queue time, and my own experience in comparable games has shown that 30-60s is acceptable, but if you have to wait longer (talking averages here, not rare occasions) you get bored very quickly. This isn't comparable with other games where matches/raids can take 30 minutes or longer, so waiting a few minutes is neglectable.

 

And I don't even want to think about the balancing implications.



XOR42 #13 Posted 16 January 2019 - 02:48 PM

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A little tick box that lets you play your own tier eh?

 

  1. So X% of players will leave it on permanently. Y% will leave it off permanently and Z% will muck about turning it on and off. MM algorithm just got 2.5 times more complex. waiting time.
  2. What about Pref MM tanks? they allowed or not allowed the tick box?
  3. Tanks like the B2 and valentine II just got their specialness evaporated in one tick box, because every tank in the game can now play top tier all the time.
  4. Tiers where the pool of players is lower will suffer (1-3 and 9-10) in wait times again, although I guess T9 and 10 have no reason to turn it on anyhow.
  5. The 5 or 6 newbies who didnt get the message at tier 1-2 and have the tick box off are going to keep timing out after 5 mins because there are only them in the pool for mixed tiers and the MM is busy building games they are not eligible for.
  6. Guess you don't mind missing out on the epic medals for destroying tank classes above your tier?

 

Not really saying good or bad, just that there's a lot of other stuff to consider, it's not as simple as you make it seem.



Secuter #14 Posted 16 January 2019 - 02:59 PM

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View Post1ucky, on 16 January 2019 - 01:42 PM, said:

 

You could also play some other game if you don't like WoT the way it is.

 

I think you misunderstand the purpose of a forum, mate. It's here to discuss what can be improved as well as a host of other things. Replies such as your is such a waste of time..

Balc0ra #15 Posted 16 January 2019 - 03:02 PM

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I want the option to turn that off instead. If there is something I've come to despise more in my IS-6 or my stock tier 8 HT grinds like the 53TP. It's equal tier games. 

 

That and having +0 games constantly would give power the wrong way on some tanks and some tiers. Tanks are balanced for +2, even on armor.  As +0 all day long for the Defender would be a field day vs powerceep tier 8 HT's. But then agian there are MM changes coming. And if the MM changes to the templates also came with the SEA MM tests they have done. I suspect you would see more +0 and +1 then +2. As going by the SEA forum, it worked really well for tier 8 tanks. 

 

View PostHayton, on 16 January 2019 - 01:48 PM, said:

 

Well they managed to do it in the Grand Battles without much wait in the queue and even if there was a bit more of a wait I don't think people would mind if they thought they were getting a fairer game.

 

Just because you got it fast, don't mean the other 59 on the map waited for less than 5 seconds too. That and GB is part of randoms so MM just takes people when he knows he can fast at times, as no one is waiting up for it specifically. And if you only wanted +0 MM and waited for that specifically and only +0 MM, as in altering the MM. I suspect the wait on some tiers would not be as fast. 

Edited by Balc0ra, 16 January 2019 - 03:07 PM.


OMG_Abaddon #16 Posted 16 January 2019 - 03:08 PM

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I personally wouldn't mind an option to remove 2-tier-gap games. Being top tier is rather boring, even more so when playing certain tanks like Defender or IS-3A. Those tanks can hardly be pen'd by T6 guns, and seldom by T7.

 

Most of those games I just run forward and 1-2 shot everything while bouncing all the gold and silver easily, oh nice, next time please send me to a bot game so I can feel more rewarded.

 

I think however that 2-tier-span matchers are still fine. For example, T6 and T7, or T7 and T8, the rest is just more seal clubbing.

 

Talking about seal clubbing, I just got matched in a T6-8 match on my Skorpion G, another boring game shooting from out of range.



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View PostSecuter, on 16 January 2019 - 02:59 PM, said:

 

I think you misunderstand the purpose of a forum, mate. It's here to discuss what can be improved as well as a host of other things. Replies such as your is such a waste of time..

 

​You are both wrong, go read this thread 

 

http://forum.worldof...696095-balance/

 

You will advised the forum is just a collection of negative feedback.... to be basically ignored.



ThinGun #18 Posted 16 January 2019 - 03:12 PM

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An alternative would be to stop focusing on WR and worry about WN8 instead - so performance is more highly rated than winning.  That way, you can have a stinkingly good game in a T8 dinging T10s, still lose, but get a positive uplift in your rating.  Basically, a better reward for 'losing well'.

 

For example ... it would be good to get rewarded for ricochets off higher tiered tanks - you did hit the enemy, but because of the tiered disparity, you did no damage.  Be nice to get a reward for your play.



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View PostLeepants, on 16 January 2019 - 01:44 PM, said:

Because WoTs main aim is to be in the matchmaker for as little time as possible, so in a one-tier spread, the MM could take a while to find a match whilst still balancing the HT / MT / LT etc ratio.

 

that's a fake argument.

they could limit the ratio of bottom tier games for anyone and just send the remainder of tanks into same tier battles. that would even be quicker than now.

 

but no, instead they have to rig the matchmaker as described in their patent for customer retention.

I believe this tech is in use. I particularly feel the effects when many people that have recently spent money on WoT are online.

When there are a lot of players with recent premium tanks online, I get consistently bad matchmaking, both in tiers and team composition.



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What's up OP - do the seals keep moving too much?





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