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gucci39 #1 Posted 19 January 2019 - 03:23 PM

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Hello tankers,

 

Recently I got IX tier Obj.257. Started to play this tank often but i have approximately 35-45 winrate with the tank. Always my team is dying/afking and do not helping at all. Do not going on their correct positions and dying, because of them im dying too. It's happening in two days, after the games i am on minus/negative credits. The chance to win a game is little :( My Person rating is falling down, any advices tankers to improve myself,my gameplay. How you're playing heavy tanks or currently this Obj. 257.

 

 

P.S also I going on Germany line for E 100, Swedish line to Strv 103B

 

 

:medal:



wEight_Tanker #2 Posted 19 January 2019 - 03:31 PM

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Well the only advices you'll get would be the same for if your battles were normal. Learn to stand alone against 7 tanks surrounding you. (I'm eating these words, once an OBJ 257 bounced everyone on my team with its "balanced" side and rear armor).

FrantisekBascovansky #3 Posted 19 January 2019 - 03:44 PM

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I don't think it is good idea to play tier 9 after 3.5k battles.

As you are blaming yor teams not to helping you, ask yourself a question - are you helping them?



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Scapegoating intensifies :D



hasnainrakha57 #5 Posted 19 January 2019 - 03:58 PM

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Winrate on a tank depends upon damage u deal each match if u always do worst damage your winrate will always be low but if u do unicum dmg each game your winrate will go high in your case you do average 780dmg each game(obj257) which is very very worst but if your average damage becomes 2.3k+ your winrate will be 60%

Edited by hasnainrakha57, 19 January 2019 - 03:59 PM.


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View PostFrantisekBascovansky, on 19 January 2019 - 03:44 PM, said:

I don't think it is good idea to play tier 9 after 3.5k battles.

As you are blaming yor teams not to helping you, ask yourself a question - are you helping them?

 

Please enlighten us on how to help our friend Mr. Churchill VII camping behind SPG. How do we help Ms. Pershing camping next to a TD on her stock camoless tank? Or this usual guy when it's 2v1 so you want to pincer attack and kill the poor devil, but your friend who is 100%hp doesn't peek with you and you take unnecessary damage? How do I help those guys?

SABAOTH #7 Posted 19 January 2019 - 04:14 PM

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View Postgucci39, on 19 January 2019 - 03:23 PM, said:

Hello tankers,

 

Recently I got IX tier Obj.257. Started to play this tank often but i have approximately 35-45 winrate with the tank. Always my team is dying/afking and do not helping at all. Do not going on their correct positions and dying, because of them im dying too. It's happening in two days, after the games i am on minus/negative credits. The chance to win a game is little :( My Person rating is falling down, any advices tankers to improve myself,my gameplay. How you're playing heavy tanks or currently this Obj. 257.

 

 

P.S also I going on Germany line for E 100, Swedish line to Strv 103B

 

 

:medal:

 

Don't take it badly but seeing your rating I suspect that you might be the one choosing wrong positions and dragging the win chances down.

 

Just guessing but please answer this: you do go beach on Overlord don't you? :coin:

 

The matter is, at high tiers if you are inexperienced like you are, the balance of power drops significantly for your team, because top tiers are supposed to carry a match.

It doesn't help that the best players play high tiers so your life is even harder.

 

I would suggest you to send some replay so we can help you pointing out the most blatant mistakes you do, and you can try to learn from them and improve, you will see the results soon if you listen to advice. :honoring:


Edited by SABAOTH, 19 January 2019 - 04:15 PM.


DuncaN_101 #8 Posted 19 January 2019 - 04:30 PM

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One extra thing with any tier 9.
Stock its going to be horrible no matter what you are driving.
If you can... Unlock modules with free xp.do it.
You won't regret it.

Once you have got the top modules on it the win rate usually levels out.

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View Postgucci39, on 19 January 2019 - 03:23 PM, said:

Hello tankers,

 

Recently I got IX tier Obj.257. Started to play this tank often but i have approximately 35-45 winrate with the tank. Always my team is dying/afking and do not helping at all. Do not going on their correct positions and dying, because of them im dying too. It's happening in two days, after the games i am on minus/negative credits. The chance to win a game is little :( My Person rating is falling down, any advices tankers to improve myself,my gameplay. How you're playing heavy tanks or currently this Obj. 257.

 

 

P.S also I going on Germany line for E 100, Swedish line to Strv 103B

 

 

:medal:

 

My best advice would be to not play higher tiers at all. You are clearly struggling already and going up the tiers will only make it harder. You are doing tier 5 levels of damage in your tier 9. Thats why you are losing so much. You are a burden to your team and someone has to make up for you.


Drop down to tier 5-6. Practice until you have grasped the basics of the game. T-34-85 is an excellent tank to train in. Keep playing that until you can do your own HP in damage consistently and maintain a 50%+ WR. Then you can start thinking about the T-43.

 


Edited by JocMeister, 19 January 2019 - 04:49 PM.


BlackBloodBandit #10 Posted 19 January 2019 - 04:48 PM

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View Posthasnainrakha57, on 19 January 2019 - 03:58 PM, said:

Winrate on a tank depends upon damage u deal each match if u always do worst damage your winrate will always be low but if u do unicum dmg each game your winrate will go high in your case you do average 780dmg each game(obj257) which is very very worst but if your average damage becomes 2.3k+ your winrate will be 60%

This isn't always the case. You can have 1 or 2 marks on a tank, but still not great amount of wins, when getting trash teams over and over again. It's mostly about doing damage at the right position against the right tanks, like focussing on 1-shots for example.



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View PostJocMeister, on 19 January 2019 - 04:46 PM, said:

 

Drop down to tier 5-6. Practice until you have grasped the basics of the game. T-34-85 is an excellent tank to train in. Keep playing that until you can do your own HP in damage consistently and maintain a 50%+ WR. Then you can start thinking about the T-43.

 

 

This is actually the best metric to self evaluate if you can play at a given tier.

 

Imagine the team HP pool must be traded, if you do your hp or more in damage you are adding to the team, if you don't you are dragging the team down. :girl:

 

 

 

Is he coming back or was he just venting? :hiding:


Edited by SABAOTH, 19 January 2019 - 04:52 PM.


hasnainrakha57 #12 Posted 19 January 2019 - 04:59 PM

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View PostBlackBloodBandit, on 19 January 2019 - 03:48 PM, said:

This isn't always the case. You can have 1 or 2 marks on a tank, but still not great amount of wins, when getting trash teams over and over again. It's mostly about doing damage at the right position against the right tanks, like focussing on 1-shots for example.

U do 780dmg every match in tier 9 heavy and blame the team really?.What about unicums? They are also placed in worst team but they have 60winrate on every tank.....Its all about how much damage u do every match and if u do good damage and.still lost then blame.team


Edited by hasnainrakha57, 19 January 2019 - 05:05 PM.


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View Posthasnainrakha57, on 19 January 2019 - 04:59 PM, said:

U do 780dmg every match in tier 9 heavy and blame the team really?.What about unicums? They are also placed in worst team but they have 60winrate on every tank.....Its all about how much damage u do every match and if u do good damage and.still lost then blame.team

You do realize that you quote me and not OP? My point still stands.. You can do a lot of damage, but if you don't take out the easy kills and important tanks, you should blame yourself as well for losing. As I mentioned earlier: focus on what's important to win, not only on damage.

 

Good example: I've played KV-1 before and 3-marked it with 58% wins. Now I play it again and win barely anything, while doing consistent more damage then my hp.


Edited by BlackBloodBandit, 19 January 2019 - 05:17 PM.


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View PostBlackBloodBandit, on 19 January 2019 - 05:10 PM, said:

You do realize that you quote me and not OP? My point still stands.. You can do a lot of damage, but if you don't take out the easy kills and important tanks, you should blame yourself as well for losing. As I mentioned earlier: focus on what's important to win, not only on damage.

 

Good example: I've played KV-1 before and 3-marked it with 58% wins. Now I play it again and win barely anything, while doing consistent more damage then my hp.

 

I have 3-marked quite a few tanks and I don´t think I have ever done that with a sub 60% WR. So I guess I would have to disagree with that. Besides, doing your HP in damage will never be enough to 3-mark any tank.

Edited by JocMeister, 19 January 2019 - 05:36 PM.


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View Postgucci39, on 19 January 2019 - 02:23 PM, said:

Hello tankers,

 

Recently I got IX tier Obj.257. Started to play this tank often but i have approximately 35-45 winrate with the tank. Always my team

 

Obj257 does not need a team, it can win battles alone (or so many people say) therefore it must be you doing something wrong.

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View Postgucci39, on 19 January 2019 - 02:23 PM, said:

Hello tankers,

 

Recently I got IX tier Obj.257. Started to play this tank often but i have approximately 35-45 winrate with the tank. Always my team is dying/afking and do not helping at all. Do not going on their correct positions and dying, because of them im dying too. It's happening in two days, after the games i am on minus/negative credits. The chance to win a game is little 

 

 

 



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View PostSABAOTH, on 19 January 2019 - 04:51 PM, said:

 

This is actually the best metric to self evaluate if you can play at a given tier.

 

Imagine the team HP pool must be traded, if you do your hp or more in damage you are adding to the team, if you don't you are dragging the team down. :girl:

 

 

 

Is he coming back or was he just venting? :hiding:

 

True, i will look at my playstyle then, you was right about going on beach there :deer:

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View PostJocMeister, on 19 January 2019 - 05:36 PM, said:

 

I have 3-marked quite a few tanks and I don´t think I have ever done that with a sub 60% WR. So I guess I would have to disagree with that. Besides, doing your HP in damage will never be enough to 3-mark any tank.

whatever... your reply has nothing to do with what I said.



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View PostBordhaw, on 19 January 2019 - 05:51 PM, said:

 

2nd best character in the series. Just finished it, great British TV much like Shameless 



SABAOTH #20 Posted 20 January 2019 - 12:33 AM

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View Postgucci39, on 19 January 2019 - 07:49 PM, said:

 

True, i will look at my playstyle then, you was right about going on beach there :deer:

 

I knew it! :P

 

Okay mate post some replay, we might give you few tips :girl:







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