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rebalancing is-4 new update update 2019

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KtitorSRB #1 Posted 20 January 2019 - 08:51 PM

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How to rebalance IS-4?

 



Dava_117 #2 Posted 20 January 2019 - 09:00 PM

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Give it Maus like gun handling and buffing mantlet to 250mm and turret frontal tip to 300mm (as in ST-I) then:

-Buff DPM and add 10 more shells in ammo rack

Or

-Change the 122mm with 277 130mm with a bit less RoF than in 277 and add 5 shells in ammo rack.

 

IS-4 is now rebalanced.


Edited by Dava_117, 20 January 2019 - 09:01 PM.


PanzerKFeldherrnhalle #3 Posted 20 January 2019 - 09:09 PM

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In the wider context of the game, it doesn't matter all that much. Those who played / play the IS-4 do it on the grounds of being an ancient / fossil tank. The weight of its name, in sum, still carries fond memories and some charisma. At tier IX and X there are so many heavies and mediums (russian) which play like heavies that will continue to be better than the IS-4 after the latter is buffed, that its appeal will never be great. Of course, all of those who always liked and play the IS-4 because it's an IS-4 will continue / would continue playing it no matter what. For all of those, the buffs are very positive. In the bigger scheme of things, it's somewhat irrelevant. They'll probably buff it's reload time, maybe the dispersion, and a few tweak to the armour, but nothing too extravagant.

FluffyRedFox #4 Posted 20 January 2019 - 09:21 PM

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- DPM buff to around 2.6k-2.7k.
- Large soft stat buffs, hull and moving traverse to around 0.17 from 0.24.

Thats all it would need imo, IS-4 has a very nice platform that gets let down by a pathetic barely tier 9 worthy gun. Buffing the gun up to tier X levels would be a good way of buffing it without running the risks associated with buffing its armour. Maybe the turret roof weakspot could be removed, but thats as much as I would touch the armour, however I don't think this is an issue since nobody ever aims for it.

 

Unfortunately knowing WGs track record with buffing armour I can see them keeping the gun the exact same while buffing the front of the tank to like 200mm and calling it a day, but hey I'd love to see them prove me wrong on this.



TankkiPoju #5 Posted 21 January 2019 - 11:44 AM

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I am thinking...

 

IS-4.... A.



Dava_117 #6 Posted 21 January 2019 - 12:54 PM

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View PostTankkiPoju, on 21 January 2019 - 11:44 AM, said:

I am thinking...

 

IS-4.... A.

 

Looks... well... looks like a quite brocken and unenjoyable to play rework...

laulaur #7 Posted 21 January 2019 - 01:00 PM

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View PostDava_117, on 21 January 2019 - 11:54 AM, said:

 

Looks... well... looks like a quite brocken and unenjoyable to play rework...

 

But comrade, we just found some sekrit plans that clearly show IS4 was meant to have a reverse auroreloader with assisted aiming computer and active armor protection that makes capitalist pigs miss all shots!!

BR33K1_PAWAH #8 Posted 21 January 2019 - 01:03 PM

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View Postlaulaur, on 21 January 2019 - 03:00 PM, said:

 

But comrade, we just found some sekrit plans that clearly show IS4 was meant to have a reverse auroreloader with assisted aiming computer and active armor protection that makes capitalist pigs miss all shots!!

 

It also carried a portable portal to Gulag :hiding:

SmellyOne #9 Posted 21 January 2019 - 01:35 PM

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You people are insane. IS4 is a very pew pewie tank in sense that it can fight basically almost anything it runs into at medium to short distances. Its also sidescrapy as hell. Literally the only problem with IS4 is that its not a maneuver doctrine tank, so it prefers to keep going down the first lane you chose to go, although it can switch, but it is relatively slow.

 

Also whats wrong with its gun? For its tier it has a lower alpha, but faster reloading gun, with very competent penetration so you pretty much ALMOST never have to use gold...

 

If they gave it more soft stats or improved armor much more, it would be OP for what it is (STILL NOT A MANEUVER TANK!).



TankkiPoju #10 Posted 21 January 2019 - 01:36 PM

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View PostDava_117, on 21 January 2019 - 12:54 PM, said:

 

Looks... well... looks like a quite brocken and unenjoyable to play rework...

 

I find your lack of faith in Stalin disturbing.

Dava_117 #11 Posted 21 January 2019 - 02:14 PM

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View PostTankkiPoju, on 21 January 2019 - 01:36 PM, said:

 

I find your lack of faith in Stalin disturbing.

 

That's because you probably never heard the sad story of Vladimir Lenin the Wise. :P

 

View PostSmellyOne, on 21 January 2019 - 01:35 PM, said:

You people are insane. IS4 is a very pew pewie tank in sense that it can fight basically almost anything it runs into at medium to short distances. Its also sidescrapy as hell. Literally the only problem with IS4 is that its not a maneuver doctrine tank, so it prefers to keep going down the first lane you chose to go, although it can switch, but it is relatively slow.

 

Also whats wrong with its gun? For its tier it has a lower alpha, but faster reloading gun, with very competent penetration so you pretty much ALMOST never have to use gold...

 

If they gave it more soft stats or improved armor much more, it would be OP for what it is (STILL NOT A MANEUVER TANK!).

 

The problem is that the gun actually is underpowered for the tier it sit at. 9.9 sec reload with rammer, vents and BiA is bad for a now low 440 alpha, especially when the soft stat are so bad you need to aim for a long time to hit any weackspot. Time you don't have when people load gold and aim at the side shoulders of the hull that are around 270-300mm effective while sidescraping. And you can't even rely to much on wriggling, because you still need to come to a full stop to shoot.

Also the bad ratio between alpha and ammo rack capacity limit the tank a lot. When you need 7-8 shells to kill a Maus, just 30 shells became far too low to have even some carry option in late game. I found my self several time out of AP in some long battle, and I carry 20 of them! This also reflect in difficoult ammo layout choice. 


Edited by Dava_117, 21 January 2019 - 02:17 PM.


PayMore #12 Posted 21 January 2019 - 02:15 PM

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Since its not an objXXX they have to keep is like shite, otherwise they have to buy other real tanks.

MeNoobTank #13 Posted 21 January 2019 - 06:22 PM

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View PostSmellyOne, on 21 January 2019 - 01:35 PM, said:

You people are insane. IS4 is a very pew pewie tank in sense that it can fight basically almost anything it runs into at medium to short distances. Its also sidescrapy as hell. Literally the only problem with IS4 is that its not a maneuver doctrine tank, so it prefers to keep going down the first lane you chose to go, although it can switch, but it is relatively slow.

 

Also whats wrong with its gun? For its tier it has a lower alpha, but faster reloading gun, with very competent penetration so you pretty much ALMOST never have to use gold...

 

If they gave it more soft stats or improved armor much more, it would be OP for what it is (STILL NOT A MANEUVER TANK!).

 

Nope, that is not true. The reload time is actually really bad for that gun. That reload is tier 9 reload time for 440 alpha. The gun is very bad but not because of alpha, it is bad because of very low DPM (reload very slow for that alpha) and is very derpy, even on medium range you miss fully aimed shots, it has potato gun handling for a tier 10. The same gun is used on the T-10 which is one tier lower and for that tank it has sniper capability. Yet for some reason they made the same gun on IS-4 trash.

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View Postlaulaur, on 21 January 2019 - 01:00 PM, said:

 

But comrade, we just found some sekrit plans that clearly show IS4 was meant to have a reverse auroreloader with assisted aiming computer and active armor protection that makes capitalist pigs miss all shots!!

 

Oh the love for IS 4 A.

 

5 shells in the magazine, the last reloads in 3 seconds. :izmena:



FluffyRedFox #15 Posted 21 January 2019 - 08:45 PM

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View PostSmellyOne, on 21 January 2019 - 12:35 PM, said:

Also whats wrong with its gun?

>abysmal bloom values

>terrible dpm for the tier

Yea sure its completely fine.






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