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rebalancing leopard 1 new update update 2019

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KtitorSRB #1 Posted 20 January 2019 - 08:53 PM

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How to rebalance Leopard 1?

 

Maybe stronger turret.



Dr_Oolen #2 Posted 20 January 2019 - 09:05 PM

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- make turret armor as strong as T62

- buff front hull to 250 effective

 

-> done



pudelikael #3 Posted 20 January 2019 - 10:11 PM

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WG never rebalance old tanks. Dont play out of date tanks, play only good tanks. 

LordMuffin #4 Posted 20 January 2019 - 10:19 PM

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View PostDr_Oolen, on 20 January 2019 - 09:05 PM, said:

- make turret armor as strong as T62

- buff front hull to 250 effective

 

-> done

Give 4k dpm and Strv 103B siege mode gun handling.

 

Done. 



Dr_Oolen #5 Posted 21 January 2019 - 07:22 AM

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View PostLordMuffin, on 20 January 2019 - 10:19 PM, said:

Give 4k dpm and Strv 103B siege mode gun handling.

 

Done. 

 

Actually came up with better solution - nerf top speed to 25, nerf hp/t to 12, buff armor to maus level.

 

Done.



SuperOlsson #6 Posted 21 January 2019 - 08:59 AM

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Given their history wg will probably just use the standard recipe? Buff turret armour and nerf accuracy!

Edited by SuperOlsson, 21 January 2019 - 09:03 AM.


BR33K1_PAWAH #7 Posted 21 January 2019 - 09:08 AM

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490 alpha

Nerf gun handling

Nerf DPM

 

Here you have it :trollface:



Quintuss #8 Posted 21 January 2019 - 09:12 AM

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Leave the armour as it is - no need to remove the characteristic of the tank.

 

Instead fix the gunhandling: aiming time down to 0.5 seconds, accuracy down to 0.15 - you then have a fast tank that can work on all maps, yet still need skill to perform due to not having armour.



Simeon85 #9 Posted 21 January 2019 - 09:28 AM

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I'm kind of surprised that considering it was one of their '2019 promises' that they haven't got information out about the proposed buffs to the Leo 1, E100, Kranvagn, IS4 and STB-1.

 

You'd think, if they were going for their rather standard and generic buffs it was an easy one to tick off and get done early. 

 

Leaves me hoping that maybe they are not doing generic buffs and are going to do some different stuff with these tanks, like the STB-1 is getting a siege mode variant, maybe the other 4 are also getting some more interesting changes.

 

 



Oldewolfe #10 Posted 21 January 2019 - 09:38 AM

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STB-1 has alreadyvbeen mentioned they'll be adding a similar Siege Type mode, to get the Gun Depression Lower....      This is also, if I recall, actually a Real Deal in the actual Japanese Medium in question...

arthurwellsley #11 Posted 21 January 2019 - 09:38 AM

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View PostKtitorSRB, on 20 January 2019 - 07:53 PM, said:

How to rebalance Leopard 1?

 

Maybe stronger turret. No

 

NO - the AMX 30 B went from being a paper tank similar to the Leopard 1 to having a buffed armour turret and now it's just a worse M48A5 Patton. The Centurion AX also has a decent turret.

 

What the Leopard 1 needs are buffs to aim time, accuracy, turret dispersion, shell velocity and reverse speed. Then it remains a paper sniper, but with those buffs it can perform it's main role better.



KleinerTiger #12 Posted 21 January 2019 - 09:45 AM

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Leo1 really should be a Snapshot wonder with fantastic gunhandling and accuracy. 

Thejagdpanther #13 Posted 21 January 2019 - 10:16 AM

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Low the game sigma, and make dispersion great again.

LordMuffin #14 Posted 21 January 2019 - 10:48 AM

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View Postarthurwellsley, on 21 January 2019 - 09:38 AM, said:

 

NO - the AMX 30 B went from being a paper tank similar to the Leopard 1 to having a buffed armour turret and now it's just a worse M48A5 Patton. The Centurion AX also has a decent turret.

 

What the Leopard 1 needs are buffs to aim time, accuracy, turret dispersion, shell velocity and reverse speed. Then it remains a paper sniper, but with those buffs it can perform it's main role better.

 

If I was serious I would appreciate this more.

I don't get why every non-russian medium tank have to more or less be copies of each other at T10.

10 degrees of gun deprrssion.

Strong turret armour. 

390 alpha.

Similar top speed and mobility.

Bad hull armour.

Etc.

 

I would much rather see a more unique Leopard with weak turret but super good gun dispersion and accuracy values, good mobility and decent camo.

 



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If the Leopard 1 had the bloom stats of the M60, that would be cool.

Oldewolfe #16 Posted 21 January 2019 - 11:47 AM

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Remember, the Tank isn't Designed around Armor in the first place....        It's built around the Gun and Mobility....

 

Why do you think it's also Accessible from not just One, but 2 places, in the Light Tank Line....???

 

I still believe the Gun itself is Fine, but the Stats for the Gun need Softening Up, it feels Penalized way more than the other L7 Guns.....     Mobility Adjustments to the same Hidden Numbers would also Improve things, or something to aid Camo under Movement similar to a Light, but somewhere Inbetween maybe....     Better VR to act in it's role as a Scout/Medium Hybrid....      Let Distance help it's Camo Rating more than it's actual Ability to Hide....

 

It needs to be put in the Role it's meant to have, not just another Cardboard Cutout Medium like the others.....     It was never Meant to be like them.....



nobble #17 Posted 21 January 2019 - 01:12 PM

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I really worry that wargaming will give it the AMX30B treatment.

 

I play leo all the time and if they wreck it I will probably be finished with the game.

 

In my opinion in order to keep it unique they should improve its already strong characteristics:

 

Reduce gun dispersion on hull movement 0.17 >0.14

Decrease dispersion 0.29 > 0.25

Decrease aim time 1.82 > 1.6

 



pudelikael #18 Posted 21 January 2019 - 02:27 PM

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Leo1 and STB problem is no pen to distance. If u give more pen, both tanks is super OP. U can snipe everybody and they dont see you.

Wot problem is too many tanks. Ok, russian tanks must be better because game is russian game. All other tanks is better only when marketing needs. 

 

Early wot was better, all mediums was tier 9 and only heavys was t10. But then game change commercial game and all balances were broken.






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