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xXChiarusXx #1 Posted 23 January 2019 - 02:29 PM

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So what you think about it ? 320 Alpha, great mobility,  2 nd. highest dpm and best camo of all -10 gun depression t8 tanks , aim time and accuracy are meh, and it should have around the same size as leo so also small and hard to hit, biggest downside: is blind, but to me looks good enough. 

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chubbysnake #2 Posted 23 January 2019 - 02:34 PM

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Absolutely love the tier 7 Leo so if it is just an upgrade on that one then I am certainly excited

XxKuzkina_MatxX #3 Posted 23 January 2019 - 02:46 PM

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  • 208/242 pen is workable but could be a pain with that accuracy.
  • The tier 7 Leo is not really a small tank or a hard to hit target and this thing is at least 25% bigger! :)
  • With those stats it's a generic paper med, what is this thing supposed to do? what does it excel at? where is its soul???

Edited by XxKuzkina_MatxX, 23 January 2019 - 02:59 PM.


AngelofAwe #4 Posted 23 January 2019 - 02:51 PM

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Looks like a Swedish AMX CDC with slightly better protection against HE.
Hope I'm wrong because the CDC is as worthless in the meta as a tank can possibly be. 

Dr_Oolen #5 Posted 23 January 2019 - 02:55 PM

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terribad tank

 

The usual WG balancing - the tanks with good armor that can take their time to at least aim a bit get the good gun handling, while the tanks with 0 armor that cant afford to stop and aim for long get the worst gun handling. And what do they get in return? In this case a bit of alpha and 3° of gun depression...

 

Why would anyone play this thing when they can play t-44-100 which has infinitely better armor, is just as fast (terrain resistances make the hp/t difference disappear), more maneuvrable, same VR, same health, same dpm, half the gun dispersions, much better aimtime, better accuracy... if the gun dispersions and aimtime were switched around then one could be talking about balance, but not like this... simply put - just another terribad paper medium that will forever get shat all over by comparatively op as [edited]rashn/chinese mediums like taip 59, t-44-100, t-44, t54 prot etc.


Edited by Dr_Oolen, 23 January 2019 - 02:55 PM.


xXChiarusXx #6 Posted 23 January 2019 - 03:01 PM

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View PostXxKuzkina_MatxX, on 23 January 2019 - 02:46 PM, said:

  • The tier 7 Leo is not really a small tank or a hard to hit target and this thing is at least 25% bigger! :)

 

I was thinking this too, but i noticed that the leo weight 25,311, instead the lansen C 23,952 so logic say it will be around the same size. also i confronted the models with other tanks , on tanks.gg and visually it looks like the leo is taller than lansen...

XxKuzkina_MatxX #7 Posted 23 January 2019 - 03:12 PM

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View PostxXChiarusXx, on 23 January 2019 - 04:01 PM, said:

 

I was thinking this too, but i noticed that the leo weight 25,311, instead the lansen C 23,952 so logic say it will be around the same size. also i confronted the models with other tanks , on tanks.gg and visually it looks like the leo is taller than lansen...

 

Yeah they appear to be about the same size with Lansen slightly shorter which doesn't help much because everyone loves to shoot at the leo. :)

Balc0ra #8 Posted 23 January 2019 - 03:22 PM

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It's not really confirmed to be a premium yet has it? Yes, I know that it's listed as a premium for testers on the 1.4 test. But then again so was the VK 100.01. 

 

But either way. Premium for sale or not. If it's anything close to the tier 7 Leo. I will love it. Slower top speed, more power to weight. Same low profile and -10 gun depression. If it can bully as well as the tier 7 for my style. I'll take it. 

 



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View PostDr_Oolen, on 23 January 2019 - 01:55 PM, said:

terribad tank

 

The usual WG balancing - the tanks with good armor that can take their time to at least aim a bit get the good gun handling, while the tanks with 0 armor that cant afford to stop and aim for long get the worst gun handling. And what do they get in return? In this case a bit of alpha and 3° of gun depression...

 

Why would anyone play this thing when they can play t-44-100 which has infinitely better armor, is just as fast (terrain resistances make the hp/t difference disappear), more maneuvrable, same VR, same health, same dpm, half the gun dispersions, much better aimtime, better accuracy... if the gun dispersions and aimtime were switched around then one could be talking about balance, but not like this... simply put - just another terribad paper medium that will forever get shat all over by comparatively op as [edited]rashn/chinese mediums like taip 59, t-44-100, t-44, t54 prot etc.

 

This.

 

We live in a world of WG balance logic where massively armoured, already very mobile, Russian heavy tanks and medium tanks have like 0.06 or 0.08 dispersions on turret but paper stuff like the STB-1 get 0.13 dispersion on turret traverse because reasons.

 

Where tier 8 390 alpha and 440 alpha Russian heavies get 1.9k DPM, but 240 and 230 alpha meds with less armour get 1.8k DPM and light tanks with 1k HP and 150 alpha only get 2k DPM. 

 

WG need to get back to general rules to address the balance issues between paper tanks and armour tanks they used to have which were -

 

  • Alpha + armour = bad gun handling, low DPM, low mobility, low agility, bad accuracy.  
  • Low alpha + no armour = good gun handling, high DPM, high mobility, high agility, good accuracy.

 

Work around those two general principles. 

 

If you have a tank that is suited to close range brawling and trading, that has armour to enable it to aim, it should need to have to aim for a while and be bad at medium to long range combat.

 

If you have a tank not at all suited to close range brawling and trading, that has no armour to enable it to aim, it should barely need to aim and should excel at medium to long range combat. 

 

Instead we have the stupid situation where the 430U with armour better than many heavies has 50% better movement dispersion than the paper Leo 1. 

 

Oh and IMO, all Russian/Chinese 'heavium' type vehicles need their speed nerfing down, they should all drop down to 40-45kph, aside maybe the T-10 which is generally well balanced. 257s, IS7s, 5As, 277s, 430Us (<- just reclassify this thing as a heavy and be done with it IMO, remove its medium camo and agility) going 50kph and Cent AXs, STB-1s, Pattons etc. going 45-55kph is just stupid.

 

Again get back to lights fastest, mediums next fastest, heavies and TDs with armour = slow. 


Edited by tajj7, 23 January 2019 - 03:36 PM.


qpranger #10 Posted 23 January 2019 - 03:36 PM

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I want Karlsson tank so that it could fly away if things get bad.

Steiner011 #11 Posted 23 January 2019 - 03:38 PM

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Presented stats are pretty much academic discussion , until hidden soft stats get revealed. On paper, Skorp and 130PM mobility is almost identical , while in training room - Skorp leaves 130PM behind whole 35m on 100m track.



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View PostSteiner011, on 23 January 2019 - 02:38 PM, said:

Presented stats are pretty much academic discussion , until hidden soft stats get revealed. On paper, Skorp and 130PM mobility is almost identical , while in training room - Skorp leaves 130PM behind whole 35m on 100m track.

 

​You see hidden stats. BLoom is bad. Not CDC bad but still bad for a soft big tank

Derethim #13 Posted 23 January 2019 - 04:15 PM

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It looks cool as hell, but since Swedes have no tier X medium tanks, this is just an expensive credit maker.

Pretty tank though... a shame it's useless for training.



Sfinski #14 Posted 23 January 2019 - 04:27 PM

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View PostAngelofAwe, on 23 January 2019 - 03:51 PM, said:

Looks like a Swedish AMX CDC with slightly better protection against HE.
Hope I'm wrong because the CDC is as worthless in the meta as a tank can possibly be. 

 

Yup, horrible bloom values, absolutely no thanks.

 

Though I wouldn't buy it even if it were good. It's t8 and with this mm I wont touch anything under t9, except maybe some lights.



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Leo has paper armor for it tier and Lansen C still has armor frontal.

JocMeister #16 Posted 23 January 2019 - 04:49 PM

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Is it tier 8? Then don´t buy. Easy.



Gkirmathal #17 Posted 23 January 2019 - 04:54 PM

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What I am wondering, beside general balance, if this tank becomes a premium for an extension of the Swedish medium line, what could become the normal tier 8?
For info, the Lansen was an existing paper project (https://tanks.mod16.org/2014/02/01/list-of-landsverk-tanks-as-of-april-1949/)

 

Are WG going to give Swedish medium line the baguette treatment? like they did the French heavy line, with the non-existent French tank project the 65T. While making the existing project the M4 49 the premium to make money on.

 



BR33K1_PAWAH #18 Posted 23 January 2019 - 05:06 PM

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Looks like 60TP and Leo had an intercourse :child:

Cobra6 #19 Posted 23 January 2019 - 05:14 PM

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Since the Tier 7 Leo is total garbage and one of the worst T7 mediums in the game, if this thing is anything like it it'll be a very nice free-XP and credits piñata for when I meet it.

 

Also, this because I still remember the days where the IS-3 could not hit anything without aiming and the Tiger II was good for quick shots:

View Posttajj7, on 23 January 2019 - 02:35 PM, said:

Spoiler

 

 

 

Cobra 6


Edited by Cobra6, 23 January 2019 - 05:17 PM.


the_Haba #20 Posted 23 January 2019 - 05:19 PM

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Reminder:

https://worldoftanks...9/#new_vehicles

 

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