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Poll: What to get: Panzer 58 Mutz or Panther 8,8 (18 members have cast votes)

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Panzer 58 Mutz or Panther 8,8

  1. Panzer 58 Mutz (11 votes [61.11%])

    Percentage of vote: 61.11%

  2. Panther 8,8 (7 votes [38.89%])

    Percentage of vote: 38.89%

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lime_vortep #1 Posted 24 January 2019 - 08:26 PM

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Hi, 

 

my friend does not know english so he asked me to post this for him. He wants to use the upcoming trade-in to get a German medium for crew training. The question is: what to get: Panzer 58 Mutz or Panther 8,8? 



Discontinued #2 Posted 24 January 2019 - 08:36 PM

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The Mutz is a little under powered tbh the gun isn't as accurate, as you think and the turret armour is woeful, i hated mine every time i exposed my turret even some tier 6's could take a chunk off my health... a better player might do well in it but i thinks its been power crept. although it looks good. shame about the bear on the turret.

 

The 88 is a better option in my opinion!

 

Never had one but,played against it numerous times and if played well its a bugger to take down..its a tank I respect.


Edited by Discontinued, 24 January 2019 - 08:38 PM.


BravelyRanAway #3 Posted 24 January 2019 - 08:51 PM

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View PostDiscontinued, on 24 January 2019 - 07:36 PM, said:

The Mutz is a little under powered tbh the gun isn't as accurate, as you think and the turret armour is woeful, i hated mine every time i exposed my turret even some tier 6's could take a chunk off my health... a better player might do well in it but i thinks its been power crept. although it looks good. shame about the bear on the turret.

 

The 88 is a better option in my opinion!

 

Never had one but,played against it numerous times and if played well its a bugger to take down..its a tank I respect.

I was with you all the way until qpranger gave you a like.......now I'm confused.



FluffyRedFox #4 Posted 24 January 2019 - 08:54 PM

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Mutz is the better choice imo, but they're both pretty terrible tanks. For a German medium tank trainer, I think the Panther M10 would be a more fun alternative.

kubawt112 #5 Posted 24 January 2019 - 08:59 PM

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Yeah, neither is particularly good. Panther/M10 is a more comfortable tank to play, facing less harsh opposition and even trains the crew a wee bit faster than a T8. I'm guessing that one isn't an option, however, if he wants to trade in a T8 for another tank.

 

Trade-ins are not as good value as they might seem, anyway. 30% discounts on T7 premiums aren't that rare, so he might as well wait and keep his other tank.



LordMuffin #6 Posted 24 January 2019 - 09:00 PM

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Both are bad.

The Panther M/10 is best German premium medium imo.

It have premium matchmaking,  so only sees T8.

Decent gun and some speed.


Edited by LordMuffin, 24 January 2019 - 09:06 PM.


bokbiertjes #7 Posted 24 January 2019 - 09:01 PM

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View Postlime_vortep, on 24 January 2019 - 08:26 PM, said:

Hi, 

 

my friend does not know english so he asked me to post this for him. He wants to use the upcoming trade-in to get a German medium for crew training. The question is: what to get: Panzer 58 Mutz or Panther 8,8? 

 

8,8. The Panzer 58 mutz is trash

SABAOTH #8 Posted 24 January 2019 - 09:39 PM

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Is like the guy in the hospital that was asking what was best: liquid stools or solid ones. :coin:

gpalsson #9 Posted 24 January 2019 - 09:53 PM

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View PostLordMuffin, on 24 January 2019 - 08:00 PM, said:

Both are bad.

The Panther M/10 is best German premium medium imo.

It have premium matchmaking,  so only sees T8.

Decent gun and some speed.

 

Eh...haver they buffed the Panther M10 at some point over the last few years?

LordMuffin #10 Posted 24 January 2019 - 09:59 PM

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View Postgpalsson, on 24 January 2019 - 09:53 PM, said:

 

Eh...haver they buffed the Panther M10 at some point over the last few years?

Yes. 



Fighto #11 Posted 24 January 2019 - 10:13 PM

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One is a turd and the other is a Polished turd.

Verblonde #12 Posted 24 January 2019 - 10:14 PM

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I have both on the NA server (and 8.8 on EU, for some reason):

 

The Mutz is probably the better tank overall, although both suffer horribly with the present MM. Panther 8.8 is a worthwhile sniper, and better spotter, but not much good at anything else; Mutz plays a lot like the Indien Panzer (only better), and is a far more rounded medium with 'good enough' view range (with the right crew and upgrades).

 

The key question is which line's crews do you want to train? Mutz matches the Indien and up (so, Leopards too), whereas Panther matches the E50 line.

 

Personally, I wouldn't buy anything via the trade-in program - losing half a tank's gold value is absurd, and whatever you're trading in might get buffed/fixed in future. I would also (as others have said) get M10/Panther instead of the 8.8 - tier for tier, it's better (and gets pref MM).



BlackBloodBandit #13 Posted 24 January 2019 - 10:18 PM

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I would go for Panther 8.8

-better dpm

-10m more view range

-better accuracy + little better soft gun stats

-200 more hp

 

Mutz has more armor, but you shouldn't count on armor in both situations. You want to make credits and xp, so dpm = damage.

203 pen is enough and -8 degrees of gun depression is good enough.

 

Verblonde has a good point: the crew setup is different!


Edited by BlackBloodBandit, 24 January 2019 - 10:20 PM.


barison1 #14 Posted 24 January 2019 - 10:35 PM

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both are trash but would take pz58/mutz over panther88 any day. mutz having nicer gun dep, smaller profile, armor bit better to hulldown atleast unlike paperpanther88

The_Naa #15 Posted 24 January 2019 - 10:41 PM

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I think the regular Panther is better than P.88, but it depends what you are looking for...

I liked 59-Patton better than either of them,

So if you dont mind it being a china tank id say 59-Patton,

if it has to be german steel id say JT.88

But out of those 2 its P.88 



XxKuzkina_MatxX #16 Posted 25 January 2019 - 07:32 AM

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Trade-in is an opportunity to get something new but also something better. IMO both are quite bad and buying any of them at an inflated price, which is what you actually do when using the trade-in option, is a really bad decision.

 

Which tank your friend want gone? and what other tier 8 premiums does he have already?



SuperOlsson #17 Posted 25 January 2019 - 07:49 AM

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Mutz, that extra mobility is going to get the edge over the 88. 88 is one of the bottom 3 tier 8 premiums and mutz isn't really shining either. You're not gonna be able to use that extra dpm anyways. The only 240 alpha meds I'd ever say is worth having for now is progetto 46 and t-44-100, and the latter is too expensive for what you get.

TankkiPoju #18 Posted 25 January 2019 - 08:03 AM

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Both are crap.

 

Only tier 8 premium tanks worth buying have autoloaders or autoreloaders. That's the situation in 2019.



Cobra6 #19 Posted 25 January 2019 - 08:17 AM

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Well, the Mutz is faster and has better aimtime (but slightly worse dispersion values).

 

Since armor on T8 mediums that aren't RASJA is useless, I'd say go for the Mutz.

 

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Edited by Cobra6, 25 January 2019 - 08:17 AM.


WoT_RU_Doing #20 Posted 25 January 2019 - 08:49 AM

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I think your poll results might have been more interesting with a "No, don't do it" option

BTW, it would also be useful to know what they planned to trade-in


Edited by WoT_RU_Doing, 25 January 2019 - 08:51 AM.





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