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Sennh #1 Posted 24 January 2019 - 08:53 PM

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it is from 1 of my game, i was in front of this black prince tank no cover for both of us, and finally i was destroyed. I shot at this tank everywhere: tracks, hull, engine, turret, and each time "no penetration, or in french "ricochet". my question is: seriously?????

btw, i used my front armor, and the shots of this black pcrap hit me each time.

 

this game is ridiculous in term of hitpoints, penetrations, realism.

 

this is only 1 example, same thing against the cromwell, mega ultra lol: the 75mm gun better than the german 88mm gun. it is a joke.

there is a real problem in this game when we speak of hitpoints, there are not realistic at all, and a lot of crappy tanks become overpowered.



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You just shoot the lfp and you pen it?

qpranger #3 Posted 24 January 2019 - 09:17 PM

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Yeah Black Prince is OP, hope WG nerf it soon, I refuse to play it until they do.

ApocalypseSquad #4 Posted 24 January 2019 - 09:21 PM

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You were shooting the wrong place.  He wasn't.  You got owned by the worst tank on T7.  End of story.

barison1 #5 Posted 24 January 2019 - 09:22 PM

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if you lost against a BP then it really is your own mistake, BP is like the worst tier 7 HT

 



FluffyRedFox #6 Posted 24 January 2019 - 09:24 PM

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I can't believe I lived to see the day where there's a whine that the f*cking Black Prince is OP.

DracheimFlug #7 Posted 24 January 2019 - 09:39 PM

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View PostSennh, on 24 January 2019 - 08:53 PM, said:

it is from 1 of my game, i was in front of this black prince tank no cover for both of us, and finally i was destroyed. I shot at this tank everywhere: tracks, hull, engine, turret, and each time "no penetration, or in french "ricochet". my question is: seriously?????

btw, i used my front armor, and the shots of this black pcrap hit me each time.

 

this game is ridiculous in term of hitpoints, penetrations, realism.

 

this is only 1 example, same thing against the cromwell, mega ultra lol: the 75mm gun better than the german 88mm gun. it is a joke.

there is a real problem in this game when we speak of hitpoints, there are not realistic at all, and a lot of crappy tanks become overpowered.

 

Are you saying that you were having trouble penning a Cromwell with an 88? The top Cromwell gun is late war and was a high velocity gun that actually did have great penetration. 

 

The Black Prince does have rather high armour. It did historically. It was actually built, although never saw combat. http://www.tanks-enc...43-black-prince



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You got BLACKED

PervyPastryPuffer #9 Posted 24 January 2019 - 09:57 PM

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View PostFluffyRedFox, on 24 January 2019 - 09:24 PM, said:

I can't believe I lived to see the day where there's a whine that the f*cking Black Prince is OP.

 

I'm laughing so hard my head hurts! :D

 

View PostSennh, on 24 January 2019 - 08:53 PM, said:

hitpoints, they are not realistic at all

 

That moment when you're so dense you unintentionally say something smart... :amazed:

 

Yeah, there are no hitpoints in real life, they can never be realistic, that's very true! :D



4nt #10 Posted 24 January 2019 - 10:15 PM

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Aahahahahhahaaa

These are truely glorious days to live... Black Prince, the oft derided Prince of Mediocrity, has finally garnered a whine thread- not because it is UP as [edited], but because it has too strong armor.

Seriously, if someone would make an sketch series in likeness of Monty Python, for gamers, this would have been easily in the lineup.

Merton15 #11 Posted 24 January 2019 - 10:22 PM

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Your frontal hull armour = Less than 140mm effective (less on the LFP). BP pen with AP = 171mm. Simples.

 

What I cannot work out is how you shoot the engine (implying a side or rear shot) with a 203mm pen gun and fail to pen. Even the frontal armour is no more than 152mm unangled at the max. Turret shot you may bounce.

 

Google Tanks.gg and learn the armour layouts. Yours and theirs.

 

 



Sennh #12 Posted 24 January 2019 - 10:53 PM

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i'm not whining, it is just an experience. trust me, I shot at this tank everywhere, but no effect at all. I use the vk thing (premium tank) for  the xp and the credits, i don't expect this tank to be better. but when the 88 mm german gun has no effect against one of the crappy brit tanks, suddendly i have some questions about the credibility of this game. Even the panther gun is really crappy against the brit tanks. it is almost a shame.

 

btw, i know very well the ww2 tanks, I was in a ww2 mod ( arma cwa ,arma, arma2). the churchil was no match for the german 88mm gun. yeaaaaah I know WOT is not realistic, but please.

 

And btw yes tanks have hitpoints/weakness. the turret is one of the example, and also the engine; take a look at the creation of the merkava IV, the IDF has made a great job to eliminate these problems.

 

like, i said before, i like this game, but there are many problems that prevent me from financially helping this game. good luck for the future.

 

 



4nt #13 Posted 24 January 2019 - 10:56 PM

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Sorry to say this, but 88 ain't nothing fancy. Trust me, I'm grinding tiger 2 atm. Any BP player worth his salt knows how to angle against 88s.

Verblonde #14 Posted 24 January 2019 - 11:03 PM

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View PostSennh, on 24 January 2019 - 04:53 PM, said:

I shot at this tank everywhere, but no effect at all.

 

Clearly, not everywhere! I'm perplexed: the Black Prince (in game) is truly dreadful; if your VK 45.03 isn't already mortally wounded, you should take the BP to the cleaners!

 

Suggestions: don't get too close (VK 45.03 is, more or less, like a Tiger I i.e. better at longer ranges); you have excellent view range, so use it to control when you engage. You definitely aren't a brawler! Remember to angle, and (like pretty much all German heavies) protect your LFP. Also, ignore anyone on your team who does want you to brawl (a lot of players don't know How To German Heavy).

I personally run Rammer, GLD (I think), and Optics - the latter to rake in silver for spotting, and to help make skulking lights/TDs' lives miserable.

 

Full disclosure: this is based on my experience on the NA server; I don't have either tank on the EU server (yet - I'll probably pick up the VK at some point - it's pretty good).



Balc0ra #15 Posted 25 January 2019 - 01:22 AM

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View PostSennh, on 24 January 2019 - 08:53 PM, said:

this game is ridiculous in term of hitpoints, penetrations, realism.

 

You joined this game for realism? What made you think that was a thing here? It's an arcade game. Simple as that. 

 

View PostSennh, on 24 January 2019 - 08:53 PM, said:

it is from 1 of my game, i was in front of this black prince tank no cover for both of us, and finally i was destroyed. I shot at this tank everywhere: tracks, hull, engine, turret, and each time "no penetration, or in french "ricochet". my question is: seriously?????

btw, i used my front armor, and the shots of this black pcrap hit me each time.

 

Depends on his armor angle. You have 203 pen. Flat on, the lower plate is not even 150mm effective. And the center hull plate is 150mm effective. More or less a 100% chance to pen. His turret is about 225 effective at the cheeks, so forget about that. His tracks are covered by spaced armor, so if you aim wrong there the wheels will eat if you don't know exactly where to aim. As you can't see what's behind it. 

 

Your turret is about 100mm effective at the center line. And your hull is about 125mm effective. He has 171 pen. Your tank, like the Tiger I is no brawler.

 

Instead of complaining how unrealistic the game is. Take 5 min on tank.gg next time and compare his armor vs your gun, you might learn a thing or two so you won't fail as badly next time. 

https://tanks.gg/tank/black-prince/model?cs=vk-4503

 

View PostSennh, on 24 January 2019 - 10:53 PM, said:

btw, i know very well the ww2 tanks, I was in a ww2 mod ( arma cwa ,arma, arma2). the churchil was no match for the german 88mm gun. yeaaaaah I know WOT is not realistic, but please.

 

If you want that. WT is the game for you. Russian 122mm guns one shots everything at high tiers, 88 at mid tiers. As their focus is realism. Tanks don't even have HP. But this game would not be that fun if you died in one shot all the time would it? Because this is an arcade game. 

 

View PostSennh, on 24 January 2019 - 10:53 PM, said:

And btw yes tanks have hitpoints/weakness. the turret is one of the example, and also the engine

 

Your turret, but not his. 

DracheimFlug #16 Posted 25 January 2019 - 09:55 AM

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Can't believe no one has said this, but... Have you got a replay to show us?

TankkiPoju #17 Posted 25 January 2019 - 10:57 AM

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Oh damn son, I need to get this OP version of Black Prince back nao!

Xandania #18 Posted 25 January 2019 - 11:56 AM

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I've seen Black Princes holding out against tier 9 tanks with correct angling and team support to deter enemy advances. But currently it suffers from bein tier 7 and not getting the attention tiers 8+ get...

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View PostSennh, on 24 January 2019 - 10:53 PM, said:

i'm not whining, it is just an experience. trust me, I shot at this tank everywhere, but no effect at all. I use the vk thing (premium tank) for  the xp and the credits, i don't expect this tank to be better. but when the 88 mm german gun has no effect against one of the crappy brit tanks, suddendly i have some questions about the credibility of this game. Even the panther gun is really crappy against the brit tanks. it is almost a shame.

 

btw, i know very well the ww2 tanks, I was in a ww2 mod ( arma cwa ,arma, arma2). the churchil was no match for the german 88mm gun. yeaaaaah I know WOT is not realistic, but please.

 

And btw yes tanks have hitpoints/weakness. the turret is one of the example, and also the engine; take a look at the creation of the merkava IV, the IDF has made a great job to eliminate these problems.

 

like, i said before, i like this game, but there are many problems that prevent me from financially helping this game. good luck for the future.

 

 

If you bounce the Black Prince frontally I can help you overcome this issue.

 

Add me in game and we can go into a training room and you can practice against my Black Prince. 

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View PostXandania, on 25 January 2019 - 11:56 AM, said:

I've seen Black Princes holding out against tier 9 tanks with correct angling and team support to deter enemy advances. But currently it suffers from bein tier 7 and not getting the attention tiers 8+ get...

Turret is strong, so if you get to hide most of your hull and angle the rest, it becomes rather strong.



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There are A LOT of tanks in this game, so when I encounter a tank I dont know the weakspots of, do what I do and go to tanks.gg and LEARN:

https://tanks.gg/tan...live&cs=vk-4503






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