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DangerMouse #1 Posted 25 January 2019 - 09:14 PM

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How many of the current tier 10 tanks have seen active service?

Which, if any of the current tier 10 tanks have been credited with a Tank on Tank kill?

 

BTW its not a test I have no idea, just interested if any actually have, tier 9 has a few T-54, Centurion, Patton I would guess.

 

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Leopard 1

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View Postshortfuse1418, on 25 January 2019 - 08:16 PM, said:

Leopard 1

 

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Leopard1 deployed by the Danes in Bosnia and Croatia in the 1991-95 wars. Actively engaged Serb targets, the first time the leopard was used in anger. The Canadians also used their C2 variant in Afghanistan in 2006. Not sure that the Canucks had any armour to shoot at though.
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T62a almost everyone in Africa, the Middle East and the Russians has used it on ops.
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Sheridan, Patton used in Vietnam.
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AMX 30 used by France and Qatar in 1991 Gulf war.

FluffyRedFox #5 Posted 25 January 2019 - 09:41 PM

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For the ones that went into service -

- Leo 1

- M48A5

- M60

- AMX 30B

- 13 105

- Sheridan

- STB-1? (STB was the prototype for the Type 74 which did see service)

- IS-4

- Strv103B

- IS-7 passed trials to enter service but was declined on being too heavy iirc

For the ones that had kills, I'd imagine it'd be limited to the top 6.

For fun, here's the ones that were built either partially or completely-

 

 



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AMX 13 used by loads of different nations from 1956 Suez crisis through to S American wars in the 1980s. Not sure if the 105 version was used.
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View PostFluffyRedFox, on 25 January 2019 - 08:41 PM, said:

For the ones that went into service -

- Leo 1

- M48A5

- M60

- AMX 30B

- 13 105

- Sheridan

- STB-1? (STB was the prototype for the Type 74 which did see service)

- IS-4

- Strv103B

- IS-7 passed trials to enter service but was declined on being too heavy iirc

For the ones that had kills, I'd imagine it'd be limited to the top 6.

For fun, here's the ones that were built either partially or completely-

 

 

 

strv103 was never deployed on ops but was fielded by the Swedes for exercises etc.
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The T62A was the preproduction variant of the T62 so you can split hairs about whether it was operational or not.

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View Postshortfuse1418, on 25 January 2019 - 08:41 PM, said:

strv103 was never deployed on ops but was fielded by the Swedes for exercises etc.

Still was in service right? Or does active service only mean when deployed to combat zones?

View Postshortfuse1418, on 25 January 2019 - 08:41 PM, said:

The T62A was the preproduction variant of the T62 so you can split hairs about whether it was operational or not.

Yea, I had considered listing that in the in-service lot like the STB, but since the guns were changed I decided to stick it with the built stuff :P



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I thought he meant active service on ops but I can see why you chose the s tank if you interpreted it the other way. Still , a fun 20 mins spent doing some research.

XxKuzkina_MatxX #9 Posted 25 January 2019 - 10:06 PM

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T62 in Afghanistan from 1979 to 1989 but practically maybe up to 1985 since it was just a pretty toy on a mountain. The T62M for all intents and purposes resembles the in game T62. It saw service even before that in 1969 in the Soviet-Chinese border conflict.

 

 



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Well, depending on whether or not the few sources that do exist are to be believed...

The Type 5 Heavy, in Korea, WWII.

Unknown if it got any kills.

But given the 14cm cannon has a potential range of up to 20km depending on shell type and gun elevation, it isn't impossible.

 

And TBH, I wouldn't list the STB-1 or T-62A since they're both prototypes.

Although case could be made for the T-62A since they did produce 25 of them, which is far more than usual for a prototype design and so could've seen action somewhere.

Would still be more of an irregularity than anything else though, but far from unprecedented.



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View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 25 January 2019 - 10:25 PM, said:

Well, depending on whether or not the few sources that do exist are to be believed...

The Type 5 Heavy, in Korea, WWII.

Unknown if it got any kills.

But given the 14cm cannon has a potential range of up to 20km depending on shell type and gun elevation, it isn't impossible.

 

I find this extremely hard to believe. Which sources state it was actually built, let alone deployed?



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The Leopard was used by the Turks in Northern Syria and they lost quiet a few to ATGM's.

Think they lost a few Pattons too?


Edited by MajorSheetStainz, 25 January 2019 - 11:19 PM.


Nishi_Kinuyo #13 Posted 25 January 2019 - 11:36 PM

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View PostAliceUnchained, on 25 January 2019 - 11:03 PM, said:

I find this extremely hard to believe. Which sources state it was actually built, let alone deployed?

The soviet ones?

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Edited by Nishi_Kinuyo, 25 January 2019 - 11:37 PM.


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maybe like 10 out of the 60 we have, if even.

 

Here a Rundown

Germans:

E100 - nope

Maus - nope

JPE100 - nope

Grille15 - nope

GWE100 - nope

E50m - nope

Leopard 1 - yes

RHM PZW - nope

 

Russian:

T62A - yes

430U - nope

140 - nope

907 - nope

705A - nope

IS7 - nope

IS4 - yes

260 - nope

279 - nope

268 - nope

268v4 - nope

261 - nope

LT100 - nope (also physically impossible to exist)

 

French:

50b - nope

30b - yes

BC25T - nope

13105 - nope

AMX54 - nope

Foch - nope

BC arty - nope

 

British:

Super Conq - nope

FV215b - nope

CAX - nope

FV4005 - nope (built but not actually massproduced)

FV armored TD - nope

Badger - nope

CGC - nope

(Chieftain - yes)

 

Chinese:

NOPE

 

Polish:

NOPE

 

Checz:

NOPE

 

Japanese:

Type 71 (STB-1) - yes

Type 5 - nope

 

Sweden:

STRV - yes

Kranvagen - nope

 

With other words some of the tier 10 medium tanks, wich are actually just MBTs are real. The rest is fake. Honourable metion to the IS4.... the only real tier 10 heavy that existed.

 


Edited by HundeWurst, 26 January 2019 - 10:59 AM.


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View PostHundeWurst, on 26 January 2019 - 12:49 AM, said:

maybe like 10 out of the 60 we have, if even.

 

Here a Rundown

Germans:

E100 - nope

Maus - nope

JPE100 - nope

Grille15 - nope

GWE100 - nope

E50m - nope

Leopard 1 - yes

RHM PZW - nope

 

Russian:

T62A - yes

430U - nope

140 - nope

907 - nope

705A - nope

IS7 - nope

IS4 - yes

260 - nope

279 - nope

268 - nope

268v4 - nope

261 - nope

LT100 - nope (also physically impossible to exist)

 

French:

50b - nope

30b - yes

BC25T - nope

13105 - nope

AMX54 - nope

Foch - nope

BC arty - nope

 

British:

Super Conq - nope

FV215b - nope

CAX - nope

FV4005 - nope (built but not actually massproduced)

FV armored TD - nope

Badger - nope

CGC - nope

(Chieftain - yes)

 

Chinese:

NOPE

 

Polish:

NOPE

 

Checz:

NOPE

 

Japanese:

Type 71 (STB-1) - nope

Type 5 - nope

 

Sweden:

STRV - yes

Kranvagen - nope

 

With other words some of the tier 10 medium tanks, wich are actually just MBTs are real. The rest is fake. Honourable metion to the IS4.... the only real tier 10 heavy that existed.

 

 

kranvagn hull stands in some museum
50b built aswell, not mass produced
stb-1 went trough prototype stages and ended with final design as type71 which was built some ~900 or so

bc25t sits in some museum aswell, not mass produced

e100 hull was made then got stalled

2 maus half made, 1 still standing in a museum

amx13105 was made aswell, altough not alot iirc

obj140 protos made, lost in favor of obj430, sitting in some museum aswell

 

so yea more existed than you deemed fake

unsure about rest


 


Edited by barison1, 26 January 2019 - 02:57 AM.


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View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 26 January 2019 - 12:55 AM, said:

Well, depending on whether or not the few sources that do exist are to be believed...

The Type 5 Heavy, in Korea, WWII.

Unknown if it got any kills.

But given the 14cm cannon has a potential range of up to 20km depending on shell type and gun elevation, it isn't impossible.

 

And TBH, I wouldn't list the STB-1 or T-62A since they're both prototypes.

Although case could be made for the T-62A since they did produce 25 of them, which is far more than usual for a prototype design and so could've seen action somewhere.

Would still be more of an irregularity than anything else though, but far from unprecedented.

 

I always thought Type 4 and Type 5 were completely fictional. Let alone imagining them being used on the battlefield.

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View Postbarison1, on 26 January 2019 - 03:54 AM, said:

 

kranvagn hull stands in some museum
50b built aswell, not mass produced
stb-1 went trough prototype stages and ended with final design as type71 which was built some ~900 or so

bc25t sits in some museum aswell, not mass produced

e100 hull was made then got stalled

2 maus half made, 1 still standing in a museum

amx13105 was made aswell, altough not alot iirc

obj140 protos made, lost in favor of obj430, sitting in some museum aswell

 

so yea more existed than you deemed fake

unsure about rest


 

 

Question was about active service, not if they existed.

DangerMouse #18 Posted 26 January 2019 - 10:27 AM

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Yes the question was about making it in to active service deploy-able in to combat situations.

 

HundeWurst, you missed the American tree?

 

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View Postbarison1, on 26 January 2019 - 02:54 AM, said:

 

kranvagn hull stands in some museum
50b built aswell, not mass produced
stb-1 went trough prototype stages and ended with final design as type71 which was built some ~900 or so

bc25t sits in some museum aswell, not mass produced

e100 hull was made then got stalled

2 maus half made, 1 still standing in a museum

amx13105 was made aswell, altough not alot iirc

obj140 protos made, lost in favor of obj430, sitting in some museum aswell

 

so yea more existed than you deemed fake

unsure about rest


 

 

I was talking about actually "mass produced" tanks. And for me prototypes dont really count in this.

 

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View PostDangerMouse, on 26 January 2019 - 10:27 AM, said:

Yes the question was about making it in to active service deploy-able in to combat situations.

 

HundeWurst, you missed the American tree?

 

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Oopsie :)


US:

T110E5 - nope

T110E4 - nope (complete fake, like some other tanks)

T110E3 - nope

M48 Patton - yes

M60 Patton - yes

T95E6 - nope

T92 - yes (well if you consider 5+ tanks as mass produced, but it supposingly saw action in Italy)

Sheridan - yes (but was never fully accepted)

 



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View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 25 January 2019 - 11:36 PM, said:

The soviet ones?

Spoiler

 

 

You will have to be more specific, and maybe add something in the spoiler actually. If you're referring to actual sources from the Soviet era (doubtful), would be interesting to read them. If you're referring to the developers, well they're Belorussian. In case you are actually referring to the developers, could you point me to their statement(s)? 




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