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seXikanac #1 Posted 30 January 2019 - 12:51 PM

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OK, I'm finally in the mood to spend some free XP. Should I keep it and unlock better modules so I don't need to have horrible game experience with stock tanks or should I go and skip O-Ni and unlock O-Ho or skip Black Prince and unlock Caenavron. Also, there is an option to unlock Tortise or Object 257 or T-10 or E-75 or Jagdtiger. Any pieces of advice are welcome. But I have to do it today :D

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Personally I use freexp only to unlock modules (mainly tracks, turret and top gun - engine and radio I generally grind). I have not spent it on freexp'ing an entire higher tier tank (but I have to skip T2-4 tanks). Didnt even spend it on the BP, since a stock Caernarvon looked even worse to me than playing the BP till the end. 

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Don't skip tanks above tier V.

XxKuzkina_MatxX #4 Posted 30 January 2019 - 01:03 PM

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I wouldn't skip any of them but people really hate the BP so you can skip that if you want but i don't recommend it. Free XP should be used exclusively for upgrading stock tanks and unlocking modules IMO.

 

Tortoise is a very good TD with good gun and good armor till people start shooting gold or HE then you're left with a big box of hp with a lot of DPM.

 

257 is a capable tank with RNG armor. Reverse side scraping with this tank is awesome! :)

 

T-10 was a very good tank once now it's pretty much an inefficient medium. Still fun to play but with the 257 it's hard to justify.

 

E75 and Jagdtiger are meh!


Edited by XxKuzkina_MatxX, 30 January 2019 - 01:03 PM.


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View PostXxKuzkina_MatxX, on 30 January 2019 - 01:03 PM, said:

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E75 and Jagdtiger are meh!

I'd argue that these two are the pinnacle of their respective tech tree, and fairly competitive against their peers of other trees/nations; not best in class, but certainly competitive (though their tier 10s are indeed distinctively meh).

Wr.t. to the OP, thinking of the predecessors of those, Tiger 2 as well as Jagdpanther 2/Ferdinand, Tiger 2 is accepted to be sub-par in its current environment, the TDs are generally deemed okayish with some prefering one over the other - I went with Ferdinand due to crew layout. Seeing that you don't even have the tier 7 Jagdpanther, I'd suggest to grind that one first to get a rough picture of how the rest of the line will look.

But as others have said, don't skip tanks - grinding the tanks is also training the crews. If you skip a 100k+ grind, that may leave you with a significantly weaker skilled crew at tier 8/9/10.


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View PostWhoCares01, on 30 January 2019 - 02:17 PM, said:

I'd argue that these two are the pinnacle of their respective tech tree (their tier 10s indeed distinctively meh), and fairly competitive against their peers of other trees/nations; not best in class, but certainly competitive.

 

I do respect others who try to make such tanks work but in reality they fail more often than not, the tanks i mean not the players.

 

Both are in a very good position within their tech trees but that doesn't actually say much about their capabilities if the following tanks in those trees are pretty bad.

 

I remember a battle about a month ago in Ruinberg where i penned the turret front of an E75 consistently with a lowe. I was shooting gold ofc but what does that say about a higher tier tank supposedly in its best environment, a city map fighting a lower tier opponent?

 

The Jagdtiger got the DPM and the penetration but at the same time, a huge target, slow and the armor is almost useless against same and higher tier enemies.

 

Both are more suited for the 2014/2015 version of WOT! :)


Edited by XxKuzkina_MatxX, 30 January 2019 - 01:43 PM.


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I personally buy the top modules and play the tank, unless it's some very low tier crap tank that takes like 6 games to top up, where I don't want to waste crew to retrain or play gimped.

 

For O-Ni you can play it nicely, it's a beast top tier but goes down easily if you try to sidescrape or get low tanks to the side where you can't aim down to. Black prince is my next british HT and I'm eager to play it because it's a churchill VII with actual armor. I can't say I had much fun with jap grind tanks, and actually didn't even bother to buy the O-Ho, but the final reward is probably worth it at least for the sake of grinding quests along the lines of dealing and receiving a quintillion damage.



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View PostseXikanac, on 30 January 2019 - 12:51 PM, said:

OK, I'm finally in the mood to spend some free XP. Should I keep it and unlock better modules so I don't need to have horrible game experience with stock tanks or should I go and skip O-Ni and unlock O-Ho or skip Black Prince and unlock Caenavron. Also, there is an option to unlock Tortise or Object 257 or T-10 or E-75 or Jagdtiger. Any pieces of advice are welcome. But I have to do it today :D

 

If you really want to skip tanks then probably Black Prince, Personally I liked the tank back in the day but know a lot of people seem to hate it.

They also hated the Caernarvon but its been buffed so pretty good now,

 

O NI is a decent tank if you are thinking of skipping it you might want to skip the O HO as well ;)

O I great O NI good but not as op as the O I,

O HO still decent about the same as the O NI a tier higher better stats.

 

Tortoise is pretty good with the top gun the 105,  better in some ways than the tier 10 Badger.

 

Object 257 I really like one thing to be aware of is when you eventually move from the 257 to the IS7 you will need a second loader.

I just found that out so am stalled till I train one up.

 

T-10 I got recently too soon for me to comment on how good/bad it is

 

E75 I played last year I think it needs a bit of a buff for today's game German

 

Jagdtiger was decent but again I think it and a number of older German tanks need a bit of a buff

 

If you were not in such a rush I would say try them out on the test server, that's my goto place for deciding on what to grind

 

 


Edited by Gremlin182, 30 January 2019 - 01:56 PM.


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View PostseXikanac, on 30 January 2019 - 11:51 AM, said:

OK, I'm finally in the mood to spend some free XP. Should I keep it and unlock better modules so I don't need to have horrible game experience with stock tanks or should I go and skip O-Ni and unlock O-Ho or skip Black Prince and unlock Caenavron. Also, there is an option to unlock Tortise or Object 257 or T-10 or E-75 or Jagdtiger. Any pieces of advice are welcome. But I have to do it today :D

 

O-Ni is pretty powerful for its tier,

I couldnt claim the same for the Prince.

But in general dont skip tanks as the friends above say (exceptions welcome- I free xped the IS-M cause I hated it).

All the tier 9s you mention are powerful for different reasons and gamestyles. If I had to choose one, I would go T-10 or Torti.

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Did you know that O-Ni's frontal armor got secretly nerfed from 200mm to 175mm? I don't know which patch it was exactly, but it was pre 1.0

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I'd say don't skip tanks as you'll be putting morey in WG's pocket with free-XP conversion.

 

It's much better to skip terrible modules like underperforming stock guns or unlock tracks.

 

But if you really drastically want to skip something, skip the Black Prince as it's an utter garbage tank that is too slow and has armor which won't work. At least the O-Ni has the DERP with which you can be effective, the BP gun is garbage at tier 7.

 

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View PostHomer_J, on 30 January 2019 - 01:02 PM, said:

Don't skip tanks above tier V.

This.

 

The OP's skill level doesn't seem to be even remotely high enough to make skipping tiers acceptable.



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O-Ni isn’t too bad, if anything it’s boring. Pain with arty and open map, armor is a bit of a let down. Took me 66 games to grind through with 65% WR.

 

BP is a more painful experience. Gun is lacking in punch. Had more grinding as less modules are shared here than with the Japanese heavies. Still less than 100 games and 56% WR.



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O-Ni is actually really good, and requires an utter minimum of thinking (which can of course be sorta boring, even before you consider how hard it stomps as top-tier). Smash any and all opponents with HE for 3-400 a shot (though you need to aim a little bit), track people to farm experience and play peek-a-boo with enemies that fire their gun - because Newton's laws don't apply to WoT and a 100-ton superheavy gets moving almost as quick as a light tank.

 

View PostwEight_Tanker, on 30 January 2019 - 02:26 PM, said:

Did you know that O-Ni's frontal armor got secretly nerfed from 200mm to 175mm? I don't know which patch it was exactly, but it was pre 1.0

 

According to tanks.gg, it was 175mm on the hull dating back to 9.17 public test. Was it even earlier than that?


Edited by kubawt112, 30 January 2019 - 02:57 PM.


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View PostXxKuzkina_MatxX, on 30 January 2019 - 01:30 PM, said:

 

I do respect others who try to make such tanks work but in reality they fail more often than not, the tanks i mean not the players.

 

Both are in a very good position within their tech trees but that doesn't actually say much about their capabilities if the following tanks in those trees are pretty bad.

 

I remember a battle about a month ago in Ruinberg where i penned the turret front of an E75 consistently with a lowe. I was shooting gold ofc but what does that say about a higher tier tank supposedly in its best environment, a city map fighting a lower tier opponent?

 

The Jagdtiger got the DPM and the penetration but at the same time, a huge target, slow and the armor is almost useless against same and higher tier enemies.

 

Both are more suited for the 2014/2015 version of WOT! :)

 

That looks to me more like a player fail more than tank fail... 

It's well known that E75 turret relys on angling to work so or the player was crappy and didn't angled or the player was crappy and pointed at you while reloading. So, yeh, the player was crappy, especially if you were on a city map with tons of corners to sidescrape and angle.


Edited by Dava_117, 30 January 2019 - 03:11 PM.


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125.000 free exp Church VII --> Caernarvon.

BP skipped entirely in my case.

Frontline comming soon so grind should be easier.

 

So consider not only what are you going to skip, but also how is it to grind the stock tier 8 (its not going to have any modules unlocked directly from T7 that you have skipped) and what do you really want to play: Sconq or ShaiType 5.

 

You know my answer by now. :B


Edited by Bora_BOOM, 30 January 2019 - 03:19 PM.


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View PostDava_117, on 30 January 2019 - 04:11 PM, said:

 

That looks to me more like a player fail more than tank fail... 

It's well known that E75 turret relys on angling to work so or the player was crappy and didn't angled or the player was crappy and pointed at you while reloading. So, yeh, the player was crappy, especially if you were on a city map with tons of corners to sidescrape and angle.

 

Angling the E-75 turret yields 270 mm at the turret face out of the original armor value of 252 mm. Over angling will result in exposing the turret sides which would be in the range of 240-250 mm. The lowe, a tier lower heavy, got 294 mm of gold pen so no problem going through that regardless of the player's competence.

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View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 30 January 2019 - 02:29 PM, said:

This.

 

The OP's skill level doesn't seem to be even remotely high enough to make skipping tiers acceptable.

 

Well your skill level doesn't  entitle you to comment should I skip tiers or not. If you don't have something useful to comment, don't comment

HaZardeur #19 Posted 30 January 2019 - 04:08 PM

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The only tank I ever free XP`d completely above tier 5 was the infamous Defender killer TVP VTU... everything else I use my free XP only to unstock the tanks to decrease the pain.

anonym_32bOyLluvSuR #20 Posted 30 January 2019 - 04:21 PM

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Or just skip it and also get the top modules as well :teethhappy:




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