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Silverwarg #1 Posted 31 January 2019 - 03:22 PM

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Ok, I really need to rant now, I've been playing the ELC AMX, my once beloved little flat tank.

 

And I hate it with a passion, if I ever find out who decided to nerf every single aspect of this tank, I will probably beat him up. Very very violently.

- It has no acceleration, I have to drive over half the map to reach the true max speed of 55 km/h. And I use the premium consumable engine power boost. It weighs a measly 7 tonnes. The VK 16 Leopard (another favorite of mine) weigh 3x as much and still have comparable, if not superiour acceleration.

- It has NO penetration. I run the 90 mm, obviously, because you don't drive the ELC for any other reason, and 120 mm standard might not sound bad, but without a turret and with an aim circle that is the size of a HOUSE as soon as you turn the tank (I run a 4 skill crew, gods know how bad it is for the poor guys trying to grind this piece of garbage) make it almost impossible to hit anything unless you ram them first. And even if you DO hit and penn, you now have to sit there for 11 seconds waiting for the reload!

2.9 sec aim time... No way that's true, more like 9 sec. A rival ELC drove across 1/4 of the map before I was even done aiming.

HP? Nope, none of that either, and forget about armour saving you, tracks can eat an unlucky shot, but other than that, no way. Most tanks will two-shot you. And with no chance in hell to fight at long range, all you can do is to sit somewhere and wait for the battle to come to you, or passive spot, which is hopeless in tier 5 because no one have any clue that the "drive out and attempt to mimic a swiz cheese"-tactic won't work any better this time than it did the 3500 times before that.

 

This is in every single regard a useless tank that you can get a good result in DESPITE its characteristics, not because of it, and it's completely surpassed in every single way by other lights.

 

I hate it.

I hate anyone who had a hand in nerfing it.

I hate every single piece of gold and credits I wasted getting it good.

I hate every single second I spent training the crew.

I hate every single battle I've been in after the nerf.

And I won't grind the wheeled tanks because I hate them for forcing me back to this piece of utter uselessness.

 

If I want to play ELC these days I play the UDES.



Nishi_Kinuyo #2 Posted 31 January 2019 - 03:37 PM

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It was overpowered, it needed the nerf.

Silverwarg #3 Posted 31 January 2019 - 03:39 PM

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View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 31 January 2019 - 02:37 PM, said:

It was overpowered, it needed the nerf.

 

It needed A nerf, not a two tier downgrade.

OMG_Abaddon #4 Posted 31 January 2019 - 03:46 PM

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Ahhh the ELC. I just converted 130k XP into free XP and that's one tank I'm not rebuying. Agreed they turned this tank into ultra crap. Went from best to worst LT in its tier, meh.

Edited by OMG_Abaddon, 31 January 2019 - 03:47 PM.


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View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 31 January 2019 - 03:37 PM, said:

It was overpowered, it needed the nerf.

Nope. It wasn't.

It just needed to be placed in tier 6 to correct for the MM changes.



azakow #6 Posted 31 January 2019 - 04:37 PM

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About a year late some woke up.

Welcome back.

:)

 



Silverwarg #7 Posted 31 January 2019 - 05:07 PM

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View Postazakow, on 31 January 2019 - 03:37 PM, said:

About a year late some woke up.

Welcome back.

:)

 

 

Well, I did write about it just as the nerf hit as well, but I thought it was worth a reminder now as it's relevant again.

azakow #8 Posted 31 January 2019 - 06:21 PM

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Really relevant, because you just started to grind on that line again for upcomming FR WV?

 

Spoiler

 



Silverwarg #9 Posted 31 January 2019 - 07:44 PM

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View Postazakow, on 31 January 2019 - 05:21 PM, said:

Really relevant, because you just started to grind on that line again for upcomming FR WV?

 

Spoiler

 

 

What's an illiterate doing on a forum?

azakow #10 Posted 31 January 2019 - 07:52 PM

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View PostSilverwarg, on 31 January 2019 - 07:44 PM, said:

 

What's an illiterate doing on a forum?

Yes mom i know!



Balc0ra #11 Posted 31 January 2019 - 08:41 PM

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View PostSilverwarg, on 31 January 2019 - 03:22 PM, said:

- It has NO penetration. I run the 90 mm, obviously, because you don't drive the ELC for any other reason, and 120 mm standard might not sound bad, but without a turret and with an aim circle that is the size of a HOUSE as soon as you

 

Still... it has the most pen vs any tier 5 light. Even more caliber to overmatch weaker targets. It had 256 gold pen before. As it faced tier X, it was balaned to face tier X, not tier 3 as it first did after the LT changes, or tier 4 at all. It's one aspect most seems to forget. It did not need much of the balance aspects to be top tier tbh. Even with a lacking turret. It don't need 175 pen. Or even 150 pen like most tier 5 TD's. As it's not a TD, nor is it's main role damage. And with a 90mm on tier 5. You can't expect a 1.5 sec aim time either tbh.

 

The only thing I kinda hate about the ELC is the time it takes to get to top speed. Or the way it bleeds speed vs before. I don't want it to be like the old ELC. As it needed that mobility to avoid tier X guns. But something in between what it has now and what it had before would be fine. As now it's not that fast that it can lock down most vital spots early vs other lights. It's kinda like the SP1C was before. That was so slow, that the only upside was the 90mm clip gun. 


Edited by Balc0ra, 31 January 2019 - 08:43 PM.


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View PostSilverwarg, on 31 January 2019 - 02:22 PM, said:

Ok, I really need to rant now, I've been playing the ELC AMX, my once beloved little flat tank.

 

 

 

With an ELC, T67 or Type 64 winning a battle single handed. 



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View PostSilverwarg, on 31 January 2019 - 03:39 PM, said:

 

It needed A nerf, not a two tier downgrade.

 

It's sad when a fun tank gets destroyed

 

 

But hey rejoice!

 

we got Japanese derps and SPG stun that are not broken at all!

 

The ELC however needed the nerfbat badly :teethhappy:



TankkiPoju #14 Posted 01 February 2019 - 08:01 AM

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View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 31 January 2019 - 03:37 PM, said:

It was overpowered, it needed the nerf.

 

No it really wasn't.

 

And how come tanks like T67 still hasn't been nerfed.

 

EDIT:  I won't even go to tanks like T-34 which is also completely OP but that won't ever get nerfed because Russia, so why even bother.


Edited by TankkiPoju, 01 February 2019 - 08:03 AM.


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I miss my old chaffee…

 

#MakeAmericaGreatAgain



Dr_Oolen #16 Posted 01 February 2019 - 08:32 AM

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Imo it wasnt as op as some other tanks that havent been nerfed for years. It was definitely overnerfed. It would have been fine on T6 with buffed HP and the ability to mount vstabs. Now on T5 with its current stats its nothing like it used to be, especially the mobility... it went from being the most mobile and maneuvrable light on its tier to the least maneuvrable and slowest one. So if i were to buff it on T5 id just buff its hp/t back to the 37 it used to have (or something like that) from current 26 which would also give it back its hull traverse. Buffing the top speed back to 65 wouldnt imo be needed.

Edited by Dr_Oolen, 01 February 2019 - 08:33 AM.


Nishi_Kinuyo #17 Posted 01 February 2019 - 06:38 PM

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View PostTankkiPoju, on 01 February 2019 - 08:01 AM, said:

 

No it really wasn't.

 

And how come tanks like T67 still hasn't been nerfed.

 

EDIT:  I won't even go to tanks like T-34 which is also completely OP but that won't ever get nerfed because Russia, so why even bother.

Because WG is "still gathering data" on it. :trollface:

And they actually have plans for it, apparently.



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View PostSilverwarg, on 31 January 2019 - 02:22 PM, said:

Ok, I really need to rant now, I've been playing the ELC AMX, my once beloved little flat tank.

 

And I hate it with a passion, if I ever find out who decided to nerf every single aspect of this tank, I will probably beat him up. Very very violently.

- It has no acceleration, I have to drive over half the map to reach the true max speed of 55 km/h. And I use the premium consumable engine power boost. It weighs a measly 7 tonnes. The VK 16 Leopard (another favorite of mine) weigh 3x as much and still have comparable, if not superiour acceleration.

- It has NO penetration. I run the 90 mm, obviously, because you don't drive the ELC for any other reason, and 120 mm standard might not sound bad, but without a turret and with an aim circle that is the size of a HOUSE as soon as you turn the tank (I run a 4 skill crew, gods know how bad it is for the poor guys trying to grind this piece of garbage) make it almost impossible to hit anything unless you ram them first. And even if you DO hit and penn, you now have to sit there for 11 seconds waiting for the reload!

2.9 sec aim time... No way that's true, more like 9 sec. A rival ELC drove across 1/4 of the map before I was even done aiming.

HP? Nope, none of that either, and forget about armour saving you, tracks can eat an unlucky shot, but other than that, no way. Most tanks will two-shot you. And with no chance in hell to fight at long range, all you can do is to sit somewhere and wait for the battle to come to you, or passive spot, which is hopeless in tier 5 because no one have any clue that the "drive out and attempt to mimic a swiz cheese"-tactic won't work any better this time than it did the 3500 times before that.

 

This is in every single regard a useless tank that you can get a good result in DESPITE its characteristics, not because of it, and it's completely surpassed in every single way by other lights.

 

I hate it.

I hate anyone who had a hand in nerfing it.

I hate every single piece of gold and credits I wasted getting it good.

I hate every single second I spent training the crew.

I hate every single battle I've been in after the nerf.

And I won't grind the wheeled tanks because I hate them for forcing me back to this piece of utter uselessness.

 

If I want to play ELC these days I play the UDES.

 

People need to stop mistaking not having tank with a tank being bad. This is why the slow heavies get overpowered to crap. Because dumb ivans complain thier 20kph tank isn't autowin.

It wasn' nerfed. The stats are worse but it's a full tier lower so arguably it's a buff. It's so damn easy to play a 40+ camo tank in a tier where 99% of the tanks don't get full vr and you get enough alpha to 2 shot same tier lights and tds. 

 

Yeah old elc was fun but this is arguably one of the best t5 tanks. Hell I feel more consistent in it than in t67 when playing t5. 70% wr when trying to 3 mark it. 

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View PostDr_Oolen, on 01 February 2019 - 07:32 AM, said:

It would have been fine on T6 with buffed HP and the ability to mount vstabs. Now on T5 with its current stats its nothing like it used to be, especially the mobility... 

 

ARE YOU INSANE? A tank half of the people in the topic call op and you claim it should be a t6 where it effectively was before but with buffs? Yeah lets move t29 to t6 if you're at it.

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View PostgunslingerXXX, on 31 January 2019 - 03:08 PM, said:

Nope. It wasn't.

It just needed to be placed in tier 6 to correct for the MM changes.

 

It would be op as balls in t6. 

Edited by baribal_80, 01 February 2019 - 06:47 PM.


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Thank god they nerfed the ELC or else it would have been as OP as tgr VK28 105mm or the 59-16 autoloader and we couldn't have that! People might have had fun. /s

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View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 31 January 2019 - 03:37 PM, said:

It was overpowered, it needed the nerf.

 

It was perfectly fine where it was, as it was

At the earlier MM it faced tier 8's and that was what made it fun playing. 






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