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Darky1029 #1 Posted 31 January 2019 - 04:29 PM

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I usually dont have a beef with the game, something goes wrong - okay, sh*t happens.

But this is just dumb.

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i have 425m viewrange, target is 202m away and theres not a single bush in the way, so tell me, what the hell?

My best bet is that the tree was counting as camo, but thats silly, if thats the case, the hitbox of said tree should be fixed.



Renesco #2 Posted 31 January 2019 - 04:30 PM

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OMG_Abaddon #3 Posted 31 January 2019 - 04:34 PM

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Oh snap. That's ridiculous indeed... maybe he's a Nightingale? https://elderscrolls...ki/Nightingales

 

Anyhow, where did you get all those pi̹̳̠̼̻̱͝x͙͉͔el̳̺̖̀s̹



Darky1029 #4 Posted 31 January 2019 - 04:35 PM

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View PostOMG_Abaddon, on 31 January 2019 - 05:34 PM, said:

Oh snap. That's ridiculous indeed... maybe he's a Nightingale? https://elderscrolls...ki/Nightingales

 

Anyhow, where did you get all those pi̹̳̠̼̻̱͝x͙͉͔el̳̺̖̀s̹

 

Youtube compression working its magic, but thats mostly because i have a non orthodox resolution. 16:10

Edited by Darky1029, 31 January 2019 - 04:35 PM.


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Nishi_Kinuyo #6 Posted 31 January 2019 - 05:06 PM

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View PostDarky1029, on 31 January 2019 - 04:29 PM, said:

I usually dont have a beef with the game, something goes wrong - okay, sh*t happens.

But this is just dumb.

Spoiler

 

i have 425m viewrange, target is 202m away and theres not a single bush in the way, so tell me, what the hell?

My best bet is that the tree was counting as camo, but thats silly, if thats the case, the hitbox of said tree should be fixed.

You're forgetting about the entire frikking castle wall being between the two of you.



Darky1029 #7 Posted 31 January 2019 - 05:12 PM

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View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 31 January 2019 - 06:06 PM, said:

You're forgetting about the entire frikking castle wall being between the two of you.

 

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XxKuzkina_MatxX #8 Posted 31 January 2019 - 05:21 PM

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It's the tree hitbox, i've been in both positions on the hill and inside the castle. The tree invisibly extends to cover the castle door.

anonym_32bOyLluvSuR #9 Posted 31 January 2019 - 05:51 PM

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I would say he's modem tapping for sure!

 

Is modem tapping still a thing?



azakow #10 Posted 31 January 2019 - 06:01 PM

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View PostDarky1029, on 31 January 2019 - 04:29 PM, said:

My best bet is that the tree was counting as camo, but thats silly, if thats the case, the hitbox of said tree should be fixed.

This is your best guess?!

How come the opponent appears after he has shot?

Try again!

:)

My guess is PEBKAC, insufficient crew training on your side.

Recently retained any crew for duty on T-10 using Credits?


Edited by azakow, 31 January 2019 - 06:08 PM.


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View Postazakow, on 31 January 2019 - 06:01 PM, said:

This is your best guess?!

How come the opponent appears after he has shot?

Try again!

:)

My guess is PEBKAC, insufficient crew training on your side.

Recently retained any crew for duty on T-10 using Credits?

 

That's because he loses cammo after he shoots.

 

This white knits are amazing. Whatever the reasons are, the issue here is that this should not happen, not at this range.

 

I also think the tree hitbox is messed up and there are bugs on the spoting mechanics.



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View Postpecopad, on 31 January 2019 - 07:00 PM, said:

 

That's because he loses cammo after he shoots.

 

This white knits are amazing. Whatever the reasons are, the issue here is that this should not happen, not at this range.

 

I also think the tree hitbox is messed up and there are bugs on the spoting mechanics.

Loosing camo after shooting is the no brainer here!

 

What is the range between the 430 and the T-10?

 

The OP has 42 matches on T-10.

Worst crew training after retraining crew is 80%.

Lets assume this to be the case.

 

What is the spotting distance of a T-10 with a commander at 80% primary skill?

 

Lets assume the foilage of the tree is messed up, how come the opponent could see him?

Does that messed up foilage only work one way?


Edited by azakow, 31 January 2019 - 07:16 PM.


Balc0ra #13 Posted 31 January 2019 - 07:17 PM

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View PostDarky1029, on 31 January 2019 - 04:29 PM, said:

i have 425m viewrange, target is 202m away and theres not a single bush in the way, so tell me, what the hell?

My best bet is that the tree was counting as camo, but thats silly, if thats the case, the hitbox of said tree should be fixed.

 

 

Your view range is just used to calculate the distance you spot a target vs his camo rating after he gets past 425m. It's not a dead given that anything in the open will be spotted... at 425m. If he has a pimped out crew, food and all the bells, standing still. Then who knows what the exact range would be for you to spot it. As until we know his exact camo % rating vs your view range. You don't know what range you would spot him in the open.

 

Take this example show here. Stationary targets. The one with a bad crew and no bonuses gets spotted in the open at 342m. The others not until he is 212m close based on his camo rating vs the Pershing view range. So if the rating is good enough and he was waiting for you? Well. As he dropped enough camo rating to get spotted when he fired. But when standing still, his camo rating was enough to counter your view range and effective spotting distance. Only logical explanation.

 

 

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Next time PM the guy you did not spot. Ask his camo % rating, and ask for his replay. If you use the formula shown early in the video above then when you know his camo rating. Then you know how far out you should effectivly spot him. 


Edited by Balc0ra, 31 January 2019 - 07:21 PM.


XxKuzkina_MatxX #14 Posted 31 January 2019 - 07:40 PM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 31 January 2019 - 08:17 PM, said:

 

Your view range is just used to calculate the distance you spot a target vs his camo rating after he gets past 425m. It's not a dead given that anything in the open will be spotted... at 425m. If he has a pimped out crew, food and all the bells, standing still. Then who knows what the exact range would be for you to spot it. As until we know his exact camo % rating vs your view range. You don't know what range you would spot him in the open.

 

Take this example show here. Stationary targets. The one with a bad crew and no bonuses gets spotted in the open at 342m. The others not until he is 212m close based on his camo rating vs the Pershing view range. So if the rating is good enough and he was waiting for you? Well. As he dropped enough camo rating to get spotted when he fired. But when standing still, his camo rating was enough to counter your view range and effective spotting distance. Only logical explanation.

 

A 430 with a 100% camo crew, camo paint, BIA and food will have a:

 

  • 37.48% camo stationary
  • 28.9% camo on the move

 

Now if the 430 teleports himself in front of the castle door and you'd like to count him as stationary, he should be spotted at 265.6 m with a VR of 425 m but he was only 202 m when he shot the OP!

 

@OP It's either the tree modeling or he got very lucky...

 

https://worldoftanks...s/916-spotting/


Edited by XxKuzkina_MatxX, 31 January 2019 - 08:03 PM.


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View PostDarky1029, on 31 January 2019 - 04:35 PM, said:

Youtube compression working its magic, but thats mostly because i have a non orthodox resolution. 16:10

 

Why on earth share this poor YT quality in the first place? Why not simple share the actual replay? Main reason for having a replay is it allows us to play it at a slower speed. As I get the impression the Obj. 430 is revealed just before firing. I do think the tree is attributing to this situation, even if just partially. I suspect it obstructed direct LoS to the side check point. The Obj. 430 is reversing and side scrapping so to speak (or so it appears to me), and I suspect actually gets spotted when the front check point (on the front hull and/or front turret) is exposed. The Obj. 430 clearly knows where the T-10 is so most likely OP was still spotted after recent events not visible in this YT video. I do not believe it was a mere coincidence.

 

 


Edited by AliceUnchained, 31 January 2019 - 09:08 PM.


Nishi_Kinuyo #16 Posted 31 January 2019 - 09:10 PM

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View PostXxKuzkina_MatxX, on 31 January 2019 - 07:40 PM, said:

 

A 430 with a 100% camo crew, camo paint, BIA and food will have a:

 

  • 37.48% camo stationary
  • 28.9% camo on the move

 

Now if the 430 teleports himself in front of the castle door and you'd like to count him as stationary, he should be spotted at 265.6 m with a VR of 425 m but he was only 202 m when he shot the OP!

 

@OP It's either the tree modeling or he got very lucky...

 

https://worldoftanks...s/916-spotting/

Or the sidescraping hid the sight checkpoint long enough until he backed up.



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View PostDarky1029, on 31 January 2019 - 03:29 PM, said:

I usually dont have a beef with the game, something goes wrong - okay, sh*t happens.

But this is just dumb.

 

Spoiler

 

i have 425m viewrange, target is 202m away and theres not a single bush in the way, so tell me, what the hell?

My best bet is that the tree was counting as camo, but thats silly, if thats the case, the hitbox of said tree should be fixed.

 

http://www.wotinfo.net/en/camo-calculator



XxKuzkina_MatxX #18 Posted 31 January 2019 - 09:18 PM

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View PostBordhaw, on 31 January 2019 - 10:12 PM, said:

 

No pictures??? :ohmy:

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View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 31 January 2019 - 09:10 PM, said:

Or the sidescraping hid the sight checkpoint long enough until he backed up.

 

That is my suspicion as well, that this tree obstructed direct LoS to the side check point.


Edited by AliceUnchained, 31 January 2019 - 09:27 PM.






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