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Lee3452 #1 Posted 01 February 2019 - 04:46 PM

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The only reason I can think that this tank is in the game, is to try and help you to stop playing the game. A way of weaning you off it.  Every game you are dealt a fist full of low balls. Slower than every other tank in the game. Open maps battle keeps moving ahead of you and closed you don't have the speed to pop out and then get back in before being detracked. Nearly every shot that penetrates you is either dead driver or ammo rack hit. Most shots pen as everyone fires premium ammo. Damage dealt is painfully low and even though you have a quick firing gun it takes forever to kill something.  So after 123 battles in it and only being 1/3 of the way to a Caernarvon it is making me lose the will to carry on. Why would they put a tank like this in the line with so may disadvantages. Is there another tank like this one?

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juonimies #2 Posted 01 February 2019 - 05:04 PM

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Strongly recommend using free exp. BP is a pain in the a** (just as quite a many other T7's too) , but Conqueror is worth to grind. 

geoff99 #3 Posted 01 February 2019 - 05:10 PM

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I've just finished the Black Prince grind this week. I was very very pleased to buy the Caravan strip the BP of crew and equipment.

 

My top tips to grinding the BP:

- only play it when you have a 100% XP booster (best limited to 1 hour per session for maximum concentration)

- pimp your tank as much as you can with equipment and food, if you can afford it

- make sure you have at least Sixth and BIA on your crew. I ground a new crew with a lady commander from tier 4.

- it has a very big sticky out tracks so can sidescrape very well. Also when driving straight at an enemy, don't go head on, tack left and then right to use the tracks to bounce

- don't get caught out in the open by lights/meds/arty, ie on open maps camp at the back and act as a really really bad td. Sounds bad, but better to be a reserve td able to make a difference mid/late game, than be skypigged to death early game, which is very likely if you go forward and are spotted

- be chickenshit; don't try to trade (everyone has more alpha than you), track red tanks for your friends to damage, 

- bully lower tiers as much as you can. armour is very good vs tier 5/6

- you are very very slow, so get your crystal ball out and work out what will happen 2 mins ahead and try to be in the right place.

 



Lee3452 #4 Posted 01 February 2019 - 05:28 PM

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Unfortunately for me I only have stock crew when I buy new tank. I would pay for a premium account, I did at the start but until WG sort out their never ending new premium op tank each month I guess I never will. Geoff99 as you say I may need to hold back more as I am an upfront player and it is certainly not working for me.

SaintMaddenus #5 Posted 01 February 2019 - 05:45 PM

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I'm nearly at the BP grind.  I'm glad of the advice as I don't have the exp to free exp it.    I have heard the tanks after are worth the effort though.

Lee3452 #6 Posted 01 February 2019 - 06:05 PM

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View PostSaintMaddenus, on 01 February 2019 - 04:45 PM, said:

I'm nearly at the BP grind.  I'm glad of the advice as I don't have the exp to free exp it.    I have heard the tanks after are worth the effort though.

 

I sure hope so. May have to leave it for a while and come back to it. Good job its winter.

Lycopersicon #7 Posted 01 February 2019 - 06:49 PM

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I am working my way through it, and it sure feels quite impotent. Average DPG ~500 at this moment, which is a decent but not outstanding tier 5 level. The good news is that this is deep red level, meaning that practically everyone does much better. I also bounce about 500 per game and get killed practically every time (I only survive those glorious games where my team kills everyone before I arrive). This all with 54% win ratio, which is absurdly good. Might be a fluke of course, but it seems that killing a BP is still a task that takes enemies some effort, even when it is bottom tier, and my teams can use this free time for doing something useful.

 

With all this, I find this tank oddly fascinating, and I have not yet lost the hope to find some miracle method that will make it work. I have watched hours of videos of BP doing decent work, and all I have learnt so far is that it simply has to be played better. Somehow. Nothing special, position better, angle better, shoot better, react faster, that stuff. Magic, in other words.



ObusMagic #8 Posted 01 February 2019 - 06:53 PM

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View PostLycopersicon, on 01 February 2019 - 05:49 PM, said:

I am working my way through it, and it sure feels quite impotent. Average DPG ~500 at this moment, which is a decent but not outstanding tier 5 level. The good news is that this is deep red level, meaning that practically everyone does much better. I also bounce about 500 per game and get killed practically every time (I only survive those glorious games where my team kills everyone before I arrive). This all with 54% win ratio, which is absurdly good. Might be a fluke of course, but it seems that killing a BP is still a task that takes enemies some effort, even when it is bottom tier, and my teams can use this free time for doing something useful.

 

With all this, I find this tank oddly fascinating, and I have not yet lost the hope to find some miracle method that will make it work. I have watched hours of videos of BP doing decent work, and all I have learnt so far is that it simply has to be played better. Somehow. Nothing special, position better, angle better, shoot better, react faster, that stuff. Magic, in other words.

 

I gave up in mine after 33 battles and freexped the rest. 1050dpg is crapfor me I do 1371 in my oni and 1300 in t29, hell even my 13 75 is at 1275 and that tank runs ouf ot ammo every 2nd game. Hell i have a higher dpg in my amx 12t.

NekoPuffer_PPP #9 Posted 01 February 2019 - 08:24 PM

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>Black Prince

>Worst tank in game(?)

>Conclusion: WG are racist. :ohmy: (we know that's not really the case)



Lee3452 #10 Posted 01 February 2019 - 10:41 PM

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View PostPervyPastryPuffer, on 01 February 2019 - 07:24 PM, said:

>Black Prince

>Worst tank in game(?)

>Conclusion: WG are racist. :ohmy: (we know that's not really the case)

 

Not racist just hates the Brits.:playing:

ObusMagic #11 Posted 01 February 2019 - 10:42 PM

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View PostLee3452, on 01 February 2019 - 09:41 PM, said:

 

Not racist just hates the Brits.:playing:

 

​black brits

MajorSheetStainz #12 Posted 02 February 2019 - 06:52 AM

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Most of the Brit tanks in game that I've played so far, are pants apart from the Cromwell.



Wintermute_1 #13 Posted 02 February 2019 - 11:38 AM

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There do need to be some crappy tanks.

Derethim #14 Posted 02 February 2019 - 03:07 PM

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View PostWintermute_1, on 02 February 2019 - 11:38 AM, said:

There do need to be some crappy tanks.

 

Yup, but they should change like the meta. The tanks that suck completely i.e. Churchill Gun Carrier, AMX M4 45, Tiger (P), Black Prince, Type 61, STB-1 and many more, should be buffed and the most op tanks should be nerfed.

ObusMagic #15 Posted 02 February 2019 - 05:04 PM

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View PostMajorSheetStainz, on 02 February 2019 - 05:52 AM, said:

Most of the Brit tanks in game that I've played so far, are pants apart from the Cromwell.

 

​Not really. Cromwell, Caern, Conq, Sconq, buffed Tortoise are all very good. Charioteer and fv4005 are arguable. Some people like the Comet ( i do)

SABAOTH #16 Posted 02 February 2019 - 05:52 PM

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View PostMajorSheetStainz, on 02 February 2019 - 06:52 AM, said:

Most of the Brit tanks in game that I've played so far, are pants apart from the Cromwell.

 

You say that only because they drive on the wrong side of the road :coin:

Lee3452 #17 Posted 02 February 2019 - 11:13 PM

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View PostSABAOTH, on 02 February 2019 - 04:52 PM, said:

 

You say that only because they drive on the wrong side of the road :coin:

 

 

I thought the European mainland does drive on the wrong side of the road.:popcorn:Cos that's what they were built for.:teethhappy:



MajorSheetStainz #18 Posted 03 February 2019 - 01:02 AM

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View Postbaribal_80, on 02 February 2019 - 04:04 PM, said:

 

​Not really. Cromwell, Caern, Conq, Sconq, buffed Tortoise are all very good. Charioteer and fv4005 are arguable. Some people like the Comet ( i do)

 

Cromwell was very good Comet was okay not got any of the others on your list.

I like the tier 7 premium heavy but the tier 8 premium medium I can't stand.



cro001 #19 Posted 03 February 2019 - 01:10 AM

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Black Prince is so bad that even David Fletcher thinks it is among top 5 worst tanks UK has built. But there is a saving grace, top speed with upgraded engine was supposed to be much higher, so WG can buff that easily. If it was up to me, I'd increase top speed to 20+ km/h and buff gun dispersion values when moving so it can shoot at enemies semi-reliably while moving - that would make it less chore to play.

 

Luckily for you, Caernarvon and both Conquerors are insanely strong.



P33K #20 Posted 03 February 2019 - 01:42 AM

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BP is ok vs same tier or lower, T8 games are somewhat manageable depending on map. But vs tier 9, oh well... at least you can sidescrape sometimes.

If not some speed, it would need at least reasonable buff to fire rate.






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