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Zselek #1 Posted 05 February 2019 - 06:49 PM

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Why is that, every time I play in my b-c 12t I ALWAYS have an elc even 90 against me, even when I am the only light and they get one. It is just so frustrating to play against the same tank over and over again. Not to mention that it is better at being a light tank than bc 12t.

 



Kartoshkaya #2 Posted 05 February 2019 - 06:53 PM

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Game is probably rigged

PervyPastryPuffer #3 Posted 05 February 2019 - 07:09 PM

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...same type of thread popped up (from yours truly) when there was a Skorpion in every tier 8 match, back when it was the hot ****.

 

New tanks go on sale, eventually there's lots of people playing them, and then a generic whine thread as such pops up on the forum...

 

The cycle repeats.

 

Damn, this forum is like a freakin' eco-system, what the... :ohmy:



wsatnutter #4 Posted 05 February 2019 - 07:20 PM

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Zselek #5 Posted 05 February 2019 - 07:24 PM

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well I'm truly sorry if I don't enjoy playing against a stronger tank and I hate to start every game with a disadvantage

 



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Why is that, every time I play in my ELC even 90 I ALWAYS have an BC-12t against me, even when I am the only light and they get one. It is just so frustrating to play against the same tank over and over again. Not to mention that they are way too easy to kill, I feel MM lets the enemy team down there.

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Is this the same as me driving a HT and I always have a jap Heavy as my counterpart? 

Ceeb #8 Posted 05 February 2019 - 09:29 PM

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When I drive my ELC 90, i get paired with a 432... completely unfair and i'm being picked on

 

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Robbie_T #9 Posted 05 February 2019 - 09:42 PM

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Elc 90 aint that bad to get paired up against...

i know some other lts that i rather not see.



CyberRage #10 Posted 05 February 2019 - 10:37 PM

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ELC 90 Even is not a problem, it's just bullsh*t that one of the best scouts in the game is gated as a premium. There isn't any other scout like it through normal means.

Edited by CyberRage, 05 February 2019 - 10:37 PM.


Balc0ra #11 Posted 05 February 2019 - 11:59 PM

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View PostCyberRage, on 05 February 2019 - 10:37 PM, said:

ELC 90 Even is not a problem, it's just bullsh*t that one of the best scouts in the game is gated as a premium. There isn't any other scout like it through normal means.

 

It has tier 4 DPM, less alpha then even the tier 5 ELC. It's a great passive scout. But not even the best in terms of camo or mobility vs normal lights he faces. Even the T71 DA is more or less all round better vs it. It has camo and a small size. But that alone won't dominate vs others lights. As that only works depending on what guns he has behind him. In a 1 on 1 vs even the 12t. 1100 dpm and the worlds longest clip reload will only get you that far. As on that area, you have the Type 62/64, 13 57 and German Bulldog that is better. But that's because they were sold and balanced pre LT change, for a MM were they could never be top tier. And always faced +3 targets. Not -2 targets. So vs those... it lacks... more or less everything.

 

But... I suspect it's more commonly seen atm as most are training crews in it in preparations for the wheeled lights.


Edited by Balc0ra, 06 February 2019 - 12:00 AM.


TankkiPoju #12 Posted 06 February 2019 - 07:58 AM

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You are not supposed to fight against other same tier light tanks but against tier 10 super heavies.

 

Sheesh why cant people learn this.



Cobra6 #13 Posted 06 February 2019 - 08:27 AM

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View PostZselek, on 05 February 2019 - 05:49 PM, said:

Why is that, every time I play in my b-c 12t I ALWAYS have an elc even 90 against me, even when I am the only light and they get one. It is just so frustrating to play against the same tank over and over again. Not to mention that it is better at being a light tank than bc 12t.

 

 

I'm sorry but the Bc12t is definitely a better light then the ELC. The only thing the ELC has is camo which doesn't do damage or kill enemies.

If you can't engage an EVEN90 with a Bc12t it's really you that is the problem.

 

Funny thing is, the Bc12t was the worst T8 light tank mainly because of it's very uncompetitive DPM but the EVEN90 is even worse actually.

 

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Edited by Cobra6, 06 February 2019 - 08:32 AM.


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View PostZselek, on 05 February 2019 - 06:49 PM, said:

Why is that, every time I play in my b-c 12t I ALWAYS have an elc even 90 against me, even when I am the only light and they get one. It is just so frustrating to play against the same tank over and over again. Not to mention that it is better at being a light tank than bc 12t.

 

 

WHY ARE YOU MAD TO FIGHT AGAINST THE ELC EVEN 90

the Russian Premium light is like 10X better

only good thing is about the ELC is that it's great scout tank

It's so damn hard to play ELC even 90 if it's not An open map

Yet i managed to 3rd Mark wich was the most hardest thing

I would be happy to meet the ELC even 90 if they aren't experienced



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View PostCobra6, on 06 February 2019 - 08:27 AM, said:

 

I'm sorry but the Bc12t is definitely a better light then the ELC. The only thing the ELC has is camo which doesn't do damage or kill enemies.

If you can't engage an EVEN90 with a Bc12t it's really you that is the problem.

 

Funny thing is, the Bc12t was the worst T8 light tank mainly because of it's very uncompetitive DPM but the EVEN90 is even worse actually.

 

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It is not thus easy.

The ELC EVEN is tiny as [edited], w high means it have many advantages over the B-C 12t or other light tanks for this reason alone. 

 

1: It can hide in bushes other lights can't use.

2: It doesn't get hit as often at range or in close range as other light tanks due to size.

 

The ELC can do many more super aggressive plays and get away with it compared to a Bulldog only due to size. The Bulldog would get wrecked, the Even might not even get hot.

 

If you look at tank curves on wot-news, you will find that ELC EVEN performs slightly above average for many players, while B-C 12t are in line or slightly below.

The Bulldog GF performs in line.

T92 slightly below.

 

So the Even 90 is one of the better,  2nd best, T8 light tanks when it comes to winning games for players across entire skill spectrum.

The best one being the LT-432

 

Because it have that small size, godly camo and a 660 dmg burst.


Edited by LordMuffin, 06 February 2019 - 09:43 AM.


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View PostLordMuffin, on 06 February 2019 - 08:41 AM, said:

It is not thus easy.

The ELC EVEN is tiny as [edited], w high means it have many advantages over the B-C 12t or other light tanks for this reason alone. 

 

1: It can hide in bushes other lights can't use.

2: It doesn't get hit as often at range or in close range as other light tanks due to size.

 

The ELC can do many more super aggressive plays and get away with it compared to a Bulldog only due to size. The Bulldog would get wrecked, the Even might not even get hot.

 

If you look at tank curves on wot-news, you will find that ELC EVEN performs slightly above average for many players, while B-C 12t are in line or slightly below.

The Bulldog GF performs in line.

T92 slightly below.

 

So the Even 90 is one of the better,  2nd best, T8 light tanks when it comes to winning games for players across entire skill spectrum.

The best one being the LT-432

 

Because it have that small size, godly camo and a 660 dmg burst.

 

Thing is though, all the things you name are passive "skills", none of them remove enemy HP (only viable way to win in 99% of the matches) or are heavily reliant on team mates shooting what you spot. 

For an aggressive light tank player the EVEN90 is one of the worst choice as the gun handling is trash, the DPM is criminally low and the acceleration is pants.

 

It's a good defensive light tank which is why the majority of players (who play more defensively) are doing ok with it. It's not a very good offensive light which is generally the way better players tend to play their lights.

 

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I feel your pain. MM should be forced to have premium vs premium rule IMO.

 

Or at least should make attempt to match same tanks. 

 

think how I feel when MM put my IS4+AXM 50B up againts a MAUS platoon... yeah that didn't end well either.



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View PostCobra6, on 06 February 2019 - 10:08 AM, said:

 

Thing is though, all the things you name are passive "skills", none of them remove enemy HP (only viable way to win in 99% of the matches) or are heavily reliant on team mates shooting what you spot. 

For an aggressive light tank player the EVEN90 is one of the worst choice as the gun handling is trash, the DPM is criminally low and the acceleration is pants.

 

It's a good defensive light tank which is why the majority of players (who play more defensively) are doing ok with it. It's not a very good offensive light which is generally the way better players tend to play their lights.

 

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Yet it sports a higher winrate for good players compared to BC-12t, M41 90 GF, T92 etc.

Good players are better at winning games in the ELC Even then they are at winning games in any of the previous mentioned tanks. 

Only the LT-432 is better at it.

 

So if you play to win, you should pick the ELC Even over the other T8 lights except LT-432 Because the Even is simply better at it for good players. 



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View PostLordMuffin, on 06 February 2019 - 10:42 AM, said:

 

Yet it sports a higher winrate for good players compared to BC-12t, M41 90 GF, T92 etc.

Good players are better at winning games in the ELC Even then they are at winning games in any of the previous mentioned tanks. 

Only the LT-432 is better at it.

 

So if you play to win, you should pick the ELC Even over the other T8 lights except LT-432 Because the Even is simply better at it for good players. 

 

I see that in my own plays as well, I do win games in it as much as other tier 8 lights (except Bc12t but my avg. dam. in that is much higher funnily enough) but it doesn't *FEEL* as competitive as all the other lights and therefore it isn't for me.When I drive the EVEN90 I feel artificially handicapped by stupid gun handling and bad DPM for no reason.

Judging by most of the reactions you read on the EVEN90 on these forums and the opinion of the better players in their videos/streams, there seems to be a consensus on the EVEN90 being a fun gimmick but not a good tank even though it statistically might be. Maybe because if you go toe-to-toe with anything else you'll get obliterated more so then any other light tank in the game pretty much.

 

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