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HassenderZerhacker #1 Posted 05 February 2019 - 10:26 PM

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I just come out of a battle where top tier platoons of both sides didn't shoot each other.

They were all members of the same clan.

I accompanied our top tiers (tier 10) in my tier 8 and the enemy instantly started to shoot me, our team's top tiers standing there and doing nothing !!

 

are they breaking the rules?

should I report them?

 


Edited by HassenderZerhacker, 05 February 2019 - 10:36 PM.


Jumping_Turtle #2 Posted 05 February 2019 - 10:27 PM

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I dont get that. What is more fun that killing your clanmembers

Isharial #3 Posted 05 February 2019 - 10:34 PM

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it is dinger responsibility to kill another dinger on the enemy team, even if it means you focus them and only them :P :izmena:

 

 

seriously though, an enemy is an enemy is it not? I really don't get that kind of behaviour... 

I believe its also classed as rigging?



SlyMeerkat #4 Posted 05 February 2019 - 10:38 PM

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Not at all unless they are rigging to do missions but thats extremely rare 

XxKuzkina_MatxX #5 Posted 05 February 2019 - 10:39 PM

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  • Which tank were you playing?
  • Which tanks your top tiers were playing?
  • Which map and which position were you in?

 

Sorry for that! :)



HassenderZerhacker #6 Posted 05 February 2019 - 10:43 PM

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View PostXxKuzkina_MatxX, on 05 February 2019 - 10:39 PM, said:

  • Which tank were you playing?
  • Which tanks your top tiers were playing?
  • Which map and which position were you in?

 

Sorry for that! :)

 

huh?

enemies were IS-7 and AMX, ours IS-7 and E-100

I was in my stock WZ-111 tank destroyer (tier8)

map: karelia

position: ummm... opposite the heavy line, where defending arties sit on assault mode.


Edited by HassenderZerhacker, 05 February 2019 - 10:45 PM.


Nishi_Kinuyo #7 Posted 05 February 2019 - 10:46 PM

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I can and will target clanmembers (current or former) if they're on the enemy team.


Edited by Nishi_Kinuyo, 05 February 2019 - 10:48 PM.


arthurwellsley #8 Posted 05 February 2019 - 10:47 PM

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Weird because what ever clan I have been in when we have counted in and you get one of your clan platoons on the enemy team, you do your absolute maximum to kill your own clanmates, it's a point of honour.

PabloGee #9 Posted 05 February 2019 - 10:48 PM

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1st world problems 

Jumping_Turtle #10 Posted 05 February 2019 - 10:50 PM

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No replay ?



XxKuzkina_MatxX #11 Posted 05 February 2019 - 10:53 PM

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View PostHassenderZerhacker, on 05 February 2019 - 11:43 PM, said:

 

huh?

enemies were IS-7 and AMX, ours IS-7 and E-100

I was in my stock WZ-111 tank destroyer (tier8)

map: karelia

position: ummm... opposite the heavy line, where defending arties sit on assault mode.

 

Thank you. Were you at the inside of the corner (close to the rock) or on the outside?

 

 

For a lightly armored TD (depending on the MM) you can use the rocks at K6 and F0 from either side. There a bush next to each rock from which you can double-bush and snipe the other side. People know that now so make sure you don't stay still behind the bush for too long. Take a shot and retreat behind the rock, don't be greedy! :)


Edited by XxKuzkina_MatxX, 05 February 2019 - 11:04 PM.


Homer_J #12 Posted 05 February 2019 - 10:54 PM

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View PostHassenderZerhacker, on 05 February 2019 - 09:26 PM, said:

I just come out of a battle where top tier platoons of both sides didn't shoot each other.

They were all members of the same clan.

 

Nope, the only time that happens is if someone else kills one set first.

HassenderZerhacker #13 Posted 05 February 2019 - 11:07 PM

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View PostXxKuzkina_MatxX, on 05 February 2019 - 10:53 PM, said:

 

Thank you. Were you at the inside of the corner (close to the rock) or on the outside?

 

 

For a lightly armored TD (depending on the MM) you can use the rocks at K6 and F0 from either side. There a bush next to each rock from which you can double-bush and snipe the other side. People know that now so make sure you don't stay still behind the bush for too long. Take a shot and retreat behind the rock, don't be greedy! :)

 

I don't get why you are so interested in the details, you will have to explain it!

 

I was at A3, just 50 meters behind our heavies and another tank that were in A2, both enemies drove into A2 as well, they destroyed one of our allies (not their clanmates), there was brief brawl, then they saw me and and killed me, while our heavies were still in A2. Then the enemies drove through to our base while both our heavies drove to the enemy base.


Edited by HassenderZerhacker, 05 February 2019 - 11:09 PM.


Dorander #14 Posted 05 February 2019 - 11:16 PM

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It's a bit iffy but probably not. There aren't any rules about who you are supposed to shoot first, or even that you have to take every shot presented to yourself.

 

They'd have to shoot each other sooner or later, or let the battle end in a draw. If they did the latter then you could make an argument that they were engaging in excessive passive play. If somebody won that battle, I don't see the problem (ruleswise anyway)



HassenderZerhacker #15 Posted 05 February 2019 - 11:17 PM

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View PostDorander, on 05 February 2019 - 11:16 PM, said:

It's a bit iffy but probably not. There aren't any rules about who you are supposed to shoot first, or even that you have to take every shot presented to yourself.

 

They'd have to shoot each other sooner or later, or let the battle end in a draw. If they did the latter then you could make an argument that they were engaging in excessive passive play. If somebody won that battle, I don't see the problem (ruleswise anyway)

 

by not engaging each other, they caused my premature death.

game was won by the enemy capping.



Homer_J #16 Posted 05 February 2019 - 11:22 PM

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View PostHassenderZerhacker, on 05 February 2019 - 10:07 PM, said:

 

I don't get why you are so interested in the details, you will have to explain it!

 

I was at A3, just 50 meters behind our heavies and another tank that were in A2, both enemies drove into A2 as well, they destroyed one of our allies (not their clanmates), there was brief brawl, then they saw me and and killed me, while our heavies were still in A2. Then the enemies drove through to our base while both our heavies drove to the enemy base.

 

How bizarre.

 

Every clan I've been in has had a problem not shooting each other when they were on the same team, never mind opposite teams.

 

Maybe they were worried they would be accused of rigging missions of they actually fought.


Edited by Homer_J, 05 February 2019 - 11:23 PM.


Dorander #17 Posted 05 February 2019 - 11:24 PM

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View PostHassenderZerhacker, on 05 February 2019 - 10:17 PM, said:

 

by not engaging each other, they caused my premature death.

game was won by the enemy capping.

 

If that is all, then don't think so no. Choosing to shoot you instead of their clanmates is a legitimate choice. Blocking you to let their teammates get a clean shot is against the rules. Revealing your location so they can go kill you is against the rules. Choosing an alternative method of legitimately playing and winning by capping the base isn't against the rules.

XxKuzkina_MatxX #18 Posted 05 February 2019 - 11:24 PM

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View PostHassenderZerhacker, on 06 February 2019 - 12:07 AM, said:

 

I don't get why you are so interested in the details, you will have to explain it!

 

I was at A3, just 50 meters behind our heavies and another tank that were in A2, both enemies drove into A2 as well, they destroyed one of our allies (not their clanmates), there was brief brawl, then they saw me and and killed me, while our heavies were still in A2. Then the enemies drove through to our base while both our heavies drove to the enemy base.

 

  • Tier 10 heavies will prefer not to shoot at each other if they find a softer target especially if their pen isn't that great like the IS-7 or don't have good gun handling like the E-100.
  • The tier 8 WZ is a suitable target with little armor AND dangerous if left alive.
  • Try it yourself, put a soft tank within a group of heavies and you'll get focused/prioritized 99% of the time.

 

I am interested in situations like this because it help keeping me alert to such reactions/moves and it's the most exciting part now in randoms after 53k battles!

 

What exactly lead to victory/defeat? Which move was useless but resulted in a lot of damage? What could be done when the enemy take this or that position? Which position is more useful when a certain event "X" happens? etc. If you run enough of these simulations, you'll have a ready, and fast, solution to a current problem.

 

Also i am interested to help answering your question since we played together before.



HassenderZerhacker #19 Posted 05 February 2019 - 11:29 PM

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View PostXxKuzkina_MatxX, on 05 February 2019 - 11:24 PM, said:

 

  • Tier 10 heavies will prefer not to shoot at each other if they find a softer target especially if their pen isn't that great like the IS-7 or don't have good gun handling like the E-100.
  • The tier 8 WZ is a suitable target with little armor AND dangerous if left alive.
  • Try it yourself, put a soft tank within a group of heavies and you'll get focused/prioritized 99% of the time.

 

I am interested in situations like this because it help keeping me alert to such reactions/moves and it's the most exciting part now in randoms after 53k battles!

 

What exactly lead to victory/defeat? Which move was useless but resulted in a lot of damage? What could be done when the enemy take this or that position? Which position is more useful when a certain event "X" happens? etc. If you run enough of these simulations, you'll have a ready, and fast, solution to a current problem.

 

Also i am interested to help answering your question since we played together before.

 

it was no matter of preference, it was a matter of clanmates not shooting each other.

XxKuzkina_MatxX #20 Posted 05 February 2019 - 11:31 PM

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View PostHassenderZerhacker, on 06 February 2019 - 12:29 AM, said:

 

it was no matter of preference, it was a matter of clanmates not shooting each other.

 

Could be also the case, if they were doing a mission or something like that.




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