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Dr_Blackshark #1 Posted 06 February 2019 - 05:43 PM

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Hey! I won't have any time to check on the game in the next few weeks and my only question about the current patch, as i didn't see it anywhere. Did they finally implement the promised ,,special" ammo nerf to the game? I can't wait to have 25-30% more dpm than a huge portion of the players.

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MR_FIAT #2 Posted 06 February 2019 - 05:44 PM

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No not yet.

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View PostDr_Blackshark, on 06 February 2019 - 05:43 PM, said:

Hey! I won't have any time to check on the game in the next few weeks and my only question about the current patch, as i didn't see it anywhere. Did they finally implement the promised ,,special" ammo nerf to the game? I can't wait to have 25-30% more dpm than a huge portion of the players.

 

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Dr_Blackshark #4 Posted 06 February 2019 - 05:52 PM

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View PostObjec7, on 06 February 2019 - 05:48 PM, said:

 

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Ohh what a nice person, i asked something and received an insult. Thanks for coming.

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jack_timber #5 Posted 06 February 2019 - 05:54 PM

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View PostObjec7, on 06 February 2019 - 04:48 PM, said:

 

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A simple yes or no would have sufficed....

 


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NoobySkooby #6 Posted 06 February 2019 - 06:06 PM

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If they nerf gold ammo then I want my standard ammo buffed, by a very huge margin.

Balc0ra #7 Posted 06 February 2019 - 06:09 PM

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View PostDr_Blackshark, on 06 February 2019 - 05:52 PM, said:

 

Ohh what a nice person, i asked something and received an insult. Thanks for coming.

 

Well he is not 100% wrong either. As it won't work as well on every single tank you own vs others. Considering your most played tanks have issues as is with equal tiers on the HT lane. It's not like you will fair better vs a Type 4 doing 180 damage to it constantly. Or a VK 100.01 head on with 50mm more effective armor at the "weakspot" then you have pen. 

 

As that's what most fear it will do. Give more power to the wrong tanks more so then fix anything. That and I suspect you won't do 25% more damage them most on a stock high tier grind. As that's the players that will be kicked down. Not you driving the super heavy.

 

 


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XxKuzkina_MatxX #8 Posted 06 February 2019 - 06:11 PM

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Those changes are still in the very early stages of development. My guess would be at least 3 months before they even begin testing on a sandbox server if they ever make it this far.

seXikanac #9 Posted 06 February 2019 - 06:29 PM

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View PostObjec7, on 06 February 2019 - 05:48 PM, said:

 

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Another stats bullie reported

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AliceUnchained #10 Posted 06 February 2019 - 06:31 PM

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View PostDr_Blackshark, on 06 February 2019 - 05:43 PM, said:

Hey! I won't have any time to check on the game in the next few weeks and my only question about the current patch, as i didn't see it anywhere. Did they finally implement the promised ,,special" ammo nerf to the game? I can't wait to have 25-30% more dpm than a huge portion of the players.

 

Of course, anyone performing better than you is a 'gold spammer' and you're actually (far) better than we could possibly derive from your stats but well all the better players are always on the other team and they always 'spam gold'. Mderators should lock and junk this non-constructive nonsense thread straight away.

Dr_Blackshark #11 Posted 06 February 2019 - 09:26 PM

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View PostAliceUnchained, on 06 February 2019 - 06:31 PM, said:

 

Of course, anyone performing better than you is a 'gold spammer' and you're actually (far) better than we could possibly derive from your stats but well all the better players are always on the other team and they always 'spam gold'. Mderators should lock and junk this non-constructive nonsense thread straight away.

 

They can close it, i've got my answers anyway. But let's get the facts straight first. I didn't say any of those that you replied to me. I'm not one of the best players, i never claimed to be, there are better and worse players in the game. But there are better players who know the tactics, and weakspots, weakness, strength of the tanks, and there are ,,better" players who get higher avg dmg per battle by almost autopenning the same tier tanks with gold ammo, and there are players who recklessly spam gold even in 2 tiers lower tanks.

In this game there are tanks with better armour, tanks with better speed...........and tanks with better penetration. But this last thing ruins the balance, as it provides a ,,buff" for the tank. There should be tanks that you shouldn't penetrate from the front with your gun, you would have to flank it. This thing makes the game unenjoyable for slow tanks that rely only on their armour. With this 25-30% dmg penalty you will have to make a compromise between dpm and alpha dmg, what will force you to make some decisions.

For the possible answer: ,,shut up everyone can spam gold". The answer is no. Without prem tanks, and prem account, the average player can't simply afford to shoot more than 3-4 gold rounds per match if you want to make any profit.


Edited by Dr_Blackshark, 06 February 2019 - 09:33 PM.


Bad_Mojo_incoming #12 Posted 06 February 2019 - 09:36 PM

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View PostDr_Blackshark, on 06 February 2019 - 05:52 PM, said:

 

Ohh what a nice person, i asked something and received an insult. Thanks for coming.

 

Welcome to the WG WoT forum. This is starting to become increasingly like 4chan's 'politically incorrect' board.

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Dr_Blackshark #13 Posted 06 February 2019 - 09:44 PM

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View PostBad_Mojo_incoming, on 06 February 2019 - 09:36 PM, said:

 

Welcome to the WG WoT forum. This is starting to become increasingly like 4chan's 'politically incorrect' board.

 

This site becoming like 4chan would be an improvement in many cases, and the next thing would be the Pepe camo for the tanks :D

Sesrex #14 Posted 06 February 2019 - 09:46 PM

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Too many snowflakes for it to become even 1% of 4chan

Dr_Blackshark #15 Posted 06 February 2019 - 09:53 PM

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View PostSesrex, on 06 February 2019 - 09:46 PM, said:

Too many snowflakes for it to become even 1% of 4chan

 

Well, i wouldn't say that. 4chan is all about inappropriate content and insulting each other. In the right circumstances it's hillarious, but you wouldn't quote any 4chan content, let's say on the subway or on a bus to everyone. This site however should be about helping the others so that stuff is unacceptable here.

PervyPastryPuffer #16 Posted 06 February 2019 - 10:01 PM

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View PostDr_Blackshark, on 06 February 2019 - 05:52 PM, said:

Ohh what a nice person, i asked something and received an insult. Thanks for coming.

 

*sings* "Welcome to the forum, it gets worser every day..."

 

They haven't changed it yet, but I can't be wrong in saying it's one of the most anticipated changes announced for 2019, if not the most anticipated.

 

I pray every night, for them to save the day,

To nerf the gold rounds, cuz' that's the only way,

Bring back the ol' times, when this game was fun,

And save the community...from making a run.

 

 

...okay, that settles it, I chose the wrong profession. I should make music. :ohmy:



Sesrex #17 Posted 06 February 2019 - 10:01 PM

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I have no idea what he wrote as it was already *edited*.

 

Looks like the German tech tree gets much love again. Panther 2 is gonna be OP.

 

Tank Gun Projectile Old damage indicator New damage indicator
IS-3 122mm BL-9 122mm BR-471D 390 290
T-44 100mm LB-1 100mm UBR-412P 250 190
IS-7 130mm S-70 130mm UBR-482P 490 360
KV-5 107mm ZIS-6M 107mm UBR-420P 300 225
KV-2 152mm M-10 152mm IBE arr. 1915/28 700 500
Object 268 152mm M-64 152mm UBK551M 750 530
IS-4 122mm M62-T2 122mm BK-9 440 320
T-100 LT 100mm T-100 100mm 3VBB 300 225
Object 430U 122mm M62-T2U 122mm BK-9U 440 320
Tiger ii 10.5 cm Kw.K. L / 68 105mm Pzgr 40 320 240
Ferdinand 12.8 cm PaK 44 L / 55 128mm PzGr 40 490 360
Maus 12.8 cm Kw.K. 44 L / 55 128mm PzGr 40 490 360
Jagdtiger 12.8 cm PaK L / 61 128mm PzGr 43 560 410
E 100 15 cm Kw. K. L / 38 150mm Gr 39 H3A G 750 530
Panther ii 8,8 cm Kw. KL / 100 88mm Pzgr 40 L 240 180
JagdPz E 100 17 cm PaK 170mm Gr 46 H1A 1050 735
Leopard 1 10.5 cm Bordkanone L7A3 105mm HEAT-T T384E4 390 290
Pershing 90 mm Gun T15E2M2 90mm HVAP M304 240 180
T57 heavy tank 120 mm Gun T179 120mm HEAT-T M469 400 300
T110E4 155 mm AT Gun T7E2 155mm APCR M112E1 750 530
T110E3 155 mm AT Gun T7E2 155mm APCR M112E1 750 530
T69 90 mm Gun T178 90mm HEAT-T M348 240 180
T49 152 mm Gun Launcher XM81 (conventional) 152mm HEAT XM409 700 500
M48A5 Patton 105 mm Gun M68 105mm HEAT-T T384E4 390 290
AMX 13 90 90 mm F3M 90mm Frt.Prf. mle. 1944 240 180
Bat.-Chatillon 25 t 105 mm mle. 57 (D. 1504) 105mm OCC-105-57 390 290
AMX AC mle. 1948 120 mm AC SA46 120mm Frt.Prf. ble. 1945 400 300
Tortoise 120 mm AT Gun L1A1 120mm APDS L1 400 300
Super Conqueror 120 mm Gun L1A1 120mm APDS L1 400 300
FV217 Badger OQF 123 mm Mk. one 123mm APDS Mk. 2 480 350
TVP T 50/51 100 mm AK1 100mm Prupalny vz. 50 320 240
Progetto M40 mod. 65 Cannone da 105/51 M68 105mm cg 105/51 HEAT M456 360 270
WZ-111-1G FT 130 mm 59-130JG FT 130mm Po-130G 560 410
Type 5 Heavy 15 cm / 45 41st Year Type 150mm Common Type 0 NOT Kai 1400 750

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Not yet but soon i should imagine 

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View PostDr_Blackshark, on 06 February 2019 - 09:26 PM, said:

They can close it, i've got my answers anyway. But let's get the facts straight first. I didn't say any of those that you replied to me. I'm not one of the best players, i never claimed to be, there are better and worse players in the game. But there are better players who know the tactics, and weakspots, weakness, strength of the tanks, and there are ,,better" players who get higher avg dmg per battle by almost autopenning the same tier tanks with gold ammo, and there are players who recklessly spam gold even in 2 tiers lower tanks.

 

Just cut the BS as the implication with this is obvious enough:

 

View PostDr_Blackshark, on 06 February 2019 - 05:43 PM, said:

I can't wait to have 25-30% more dpm than a huge portion of the players.

 

So don't backpedal now and claim you meant something else. 

 

View PostDr_Blackshark, on 06 February 2019 - 09:26 PM, said:

In this game there are tanks with better armour, tanks with better speed...........and tanks with better penetration. But this last thing ruins the balance, as it provides a ,,buff" for the tank. There should be tanks that you shouldn't penetrate from the front with your gun, you would have to flank it. This thing makes the game unenjoyable for slow tanks that rely only on their armour. With this 25-30% dmg penalty you will have to make a compromise between dpm and alpha dmg, what will force you to make some decisions.

For the possible answer: ,,shut up everyone can spam gold". The answer is no. Without prem tanks, and prem account, you can't simply afford to shoot more than 3-4 gold rounds per match if you want to make any profit on average.

 

Utter nonsense which has been clarified and explained to great lengths already. You also show a distinct lack of understanding of the game, and oversimply it to such an extent any meaningful continuation to this 'discussion' is almost impossible. If better penetration ruins balance, then everything ruins balance: higher Tier vehicles have better penetration, thus with current MM balance is ruined. Tank Destroyer class generally has higher penetration thus ruins balance. Tier X mediums, and some Tier IX, have higher penetration than equal Tier heavies thus ruin balance. Practically all vehicles have premium rounds with higher penetration thus all ruin balance. Do you now see how utterly ridiculous your first 2 sentences are?

 

This whole 'you should not be able to this and that' nonsense is not an argument, it's not even a valid point. It's a personal opinion, and based on absolutely nothing. It also becomes completely and utterly ridiculous considering all the corridor brawl PoS maps we have currently. If you feel that driving to one end of a corridor and sit there holding down the mouse button, perhaps even tapping the wasd keys a few times while expecting to auto-bounce rounds is exciting, balanced, proper gameplay I respectfully disagree. And I will ram premium rounds through your motionless, static front if I have been put on a map where flanking options are non-existent (because the other corridor is locked down as well, and the open middle covered by base camping TD's and other 'active' players). 

 

Furthermore, vehicles which rely on armor can still bounce premium rounds when used properly while at the same time also have guns and premium rounds to fire in return. Heavily armored vehicles are amongst the best performing vehicles in WoT currently which would indicate armor does work (especially when used properly). It merely becomes less effective against higher penetration rounds (be those premium rounds, or standard from higher Tier). Not useless. Certainly not in situations where lower Tiers, or even equal Tiers, fire it at vehicles they are unable to penetrate (reliably) otherwise. That is your balance issue, not the premium rounds themselves. The MM, broken PoS vehicles with no weak spots, general imbalance between vehicles, and horrible map design catering for 'Steve' and 'Bob' are the core issues. The (increased) usage of premium rounds is a direct response to those. A symptom, not a cause. Claiming that a reduction in damage will 'force' a decision is just laughable; when you cannot penetrate with standard rounds you will still use those premium rounds. What you will be forced to, is using more of them. Reducing damage will break balance even more than is broken already. 

 

Your possible answer example is just more nonsense, underlining your lack of valid arguments. It has no relevance to what I've written before, and thus is meaningless. When you can't properly argue with what is actually written, you'll just make up something ridiculous (and not at all stated) and argue against that. The more ridiculous the made up part, the easier it is to argue against. But I'll bite: First off, you'd have to explain what you consider 'spamming', define it properly. Then you'd have to make it visible that such 'spamming' actually is taking place, and not just in a select view matches and not just by a select view players. Because if only a very small portion of players engages in this alleged 'spamming', the issue and its impact is very small, and thus any blanket 'fix' would be way overdrawn. On the other hand, if 'spamming' is taking place on a rather large scale then most players actually do seem to have the means to fund it, rendering your 'answer' moot. Invalid. It would also likely point to some underlying issue as to why it is being 'spammed' on such a large scale. 

 

Edit: fixed some annoying typos I missed first time.


Edited by AliceUnchained, 07 February 2019 - 07:01 PM.


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