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Saar_Lion #81 Posted 07 February 2019 - 11:49 PM

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This mix n match is such boolshiz

 

I'd rather wait 4 or 5 minutes for a single tier match where I know I'll stand half a chance, and I'll enjoy pitting what wits I have against similar spec vehicles, than get chucked in against 2 tiers higher and used as somebodies score padding

 

QUALITY sells in the end WG - and mixing tiers is the opposite of quality in terms of player experience



WoT_RU_Doing #82 Posted 07 February 2019 - 11:55 PM

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Looks good...very pleased to see that the MM isn't planning to remove +/-2, but at the same time will find a greater variety of battles. Being top tier a bit more often should go down well for many players I think. Lets hope it works as intended...

Sennh #83 Posted 07 February 2019 - 11:58 PM

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nice improvement :)

remove the artillery, and this game will be awesome. it is not fun to be targeted by 2/3 arty at the same time, when it happens, i leave the game.

 

 



BadStress #84 Posted 08 February 2019 - 12:05 AM

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+2 / -2 MM is very good only for Wargaming and very bad for players. With current mm and permanently stunned and damaged from arta (preventing me from camping) i do not enjoy the game anymore.

As @skill4ltu said it is imposible to make a tier 8 heavy that is balanced against tier 10 heavy tanks and not overpover against tier 6 heavy tanks.

Wargaming will fix mm only when people will start to quit the game.



WoT_RU_Doing #85 Posted 08 February 2019 - 12:13 AM

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View PostBadStress, on 07 February 2019 - 11:05 PM, said:

+2 / -2 MM is very good only for Wargaming and very bad for players. With current mm and permanently stunned and damaged from arta (preventing me from camping) i do not enjoy the game anymore.

As @skill4ltu said it is imposible to make a tier 8 heavy that is balanced against tier 10 heavy tanks and not overpover against tier 6 heavy tanks.

Wargaming will fix mm only when people will start to quit the game.

 

Personally I enjoy playing tier 8 against tier X's, especially when I outplay them. However, I also very much enjoy being mid tier against +/-1 tier. Anyone who feels the same obviously favours +/-2 MM. I think +/-1 would be incredibly boring as you will only ever have battles with two tiers involved.

HadurHun #86 Posted 08 February 2019 - 12:34 AM

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So we will get to fight 49% of battles as only t8s, 49% vs t9 and t10 and 1.9% tier 7 and 0.1% t6?
not sure if that's a deal!

Gremlin182 #87 Posted 08 February 2019 - 12:35 AM

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Any matchmaker would struggle tonight 9 light tanks on each team 6 of them wheeled.

Quite a few playing the ELC bis so tomorrow they will probably be on wheels too.

Glad I unlocked the tier 7 only 5 per team there :)

 



iKnewIT #88 Posted 08 February 2019 - 12:44 AM

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View PostAndy_Tanker, on 07 February 2019 - 11:59 PM, said:

How is 4-5-6 template any better than 3-5-7 (when u have 1 extra tier 10 to crap on the tier 8s) or the fact that ppl with pref MM tanks complain about always being in +1 matches when some of the tier 8  preferential premiums are better than their regular counterparts(ex: Type 59 and T34-3) and they only get +1- MM.

 

Sorry, I'm sick of trying to explain it for the last two Years, so I won't write any new post.

But, if You want to know why, go and read old ones.

 

http://forum.worldof...8#entry15813178

 

http://forum.worldof...5#entry15858075

 

http://forum.worldof...4#entry15817794

 

I hope it will be enough...

 

p. s. More highest tier tanks per battle (or in templates; with or without templates) in 2 and 3 levels battles means You will be more times on topof a battle list.


Edited by iKnewIT, 08 February 2019 - 01:00 AM.


BadStress #89 Posted 08 February 2019 - 12:53 AM

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View PostWoT_RU_Doing, on 07 February 2019 - 11:13 PM, said:

 

Personally I enjoy playing tier 8 against tier X's, especially when I outplay them. However, I also very much enjoy being mid tier against +/-1 tier. Anyone who feels the same obviously favours +/-2 MM. I think +/-1 would be incredibly boring as you will only ever have battles with two tiers involved.

 

 

 

Depends also on the tank. Is ok when playing with progetto 46, lorraine 40t, somua and same other tanks and spaming gold ammo against tier 10, but there are many tanks that are bad. When i play my Tiger P i feel useless... no speed, no pen and no armor against tier 9. On the other hand it is much easier to play with a tier 9 tank, you will have a better status with a tier 9 tank than with a tier 7 or tier 8 tank.



HerrWilhelm #90 Posted 08 February 2019 - 12:55 AM

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How about tiers 1-7?

iKnewIT #91 Posted 08 February 2019 - 01:04 AM

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View PostHerrWilhelm, on 08 February 2019 - 01:55 AM, said:

How about tiers 1-7?

 

It should work in the same way for all tiers.

FriendlyBomb #92 Posted 08 February 2019 - 02:24 AM

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View PostObsessive_Compulsive, on 07 February 2019 - 09:03 PM, said:

 

that is not 3 words. I am not counting them as I am not the best with numbers but according to my fingers its way more than 3.

 

That was funny

thetoughcookie #93 Posted 08 February 2019 - 05:09 AM

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"
  • 4-5-6, 4-4-7 and even 5-5-5 for three-tier battles"

How cool is it to have 1-2 extra tier 10 when playing tier 8. WTF WG. Really....? This is wrong way. Totally wrong way. WHY?



KoeTajSimaIOdakleMuPravo #94 Posted 08 February 2019 - 05:13 AM

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Why do people keep asking for skill based MM?

You had it like 3 times, and it is called Ranked battles aka the most cancerous MM that has ever existed.

Only thing that should be skill based is ability to research light tanks



WoT_RU_Doing #95 Posted 08 February 2019 - 05:14 AM

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View Postthetoughcookie, on 08 February 2019 - 04:09 AM, said:

"
  • 4-5-6, 4-4-7 and even 5-5-5 for three-tier battles"

How cool is it to have 1-2 extra tier 10 when playing tier 8. WTF WG. Really....? This is wrong way. Totally wrong way. WHY?

 

To increase the number of times you get matches that you are top tier or single tier...I thought they explained it quite well in the video

_HAZE7 #96 Posted 08 February 2019 - 05:28 AM

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Is eu the server down for anyone else?

 

edit: nevermind it's back up


Edited by _HAZE7, 08 February 2019 - 05:30 AM.


Geoffrey_Ironfist #97 Posted 08 February 2019 - 05:47 AM

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Personally, I don't mind being bottom tier as long as I do not have to face tanks two tiers higher. That is too frustrating. Often my team mates just bugger off leaving my bottom tier tank to hold a flank against all their top tier tanks, because far too often players care for their own stats rather than to win a battle (the "no cap kill all" mentality, as long as I can take care of the highest tier tanks with my bottom tier tank).

 

I feel skill-based matchmaking would be a good thing up to a point, because as I tend to play at lower tiers (I am currently slowly moving through tier VI as my highest tier) where people are of mixed skills, on some days I have far too many battles that are over before you know it when I get to do next to nothing - maybe just die in half of them while being overwhelmed by the entire enemy team and reach the enemy base in the other half of the games without encountering any enemy tanks that are not already dead. Neither is any fun at all. Some form of skill-based team balancing would be a good thing, whatever shape that has.



TYKKIPASI #98 Posted 08 February 2019 - 06:14 AM

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View PostTheArk_2014, on 07 February 2019 - 03:36 PM, said:

:popcorn:

 

I have two big bags of Pop-Corn ...

 

 

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... but still ... here my opinion ...

 

Well, WG, no matter what new MM you will bring to us (the players), there will be always players who will complain about the MM ...

... unless you balance the teams by the players' abilities/skills (at least for the high tier tanks or even only for the Heavy Tanks), good players vs good players, bad players vs bad players, etc.

 

The thing that the players hate the most is the lost battles because of of a few Bad Players.

 

:B

 

Players who hate the most that the battle is lost because of a few "Bad Players" should try and play better in order to win the battle. Using xvm has led us to the point where some players decide to quit or yolo, because they calculate that there is no point playing the game since the team is so bad. 

And for the skill-based mm; it does not work. No one wants to play all the time to their maximum skill level. Yes, challenging games are good every now and then and you can learn something from them but if games are all the time at the max level you can play, the fun disappears. 

Skill based events like ranked battles are enough if you want to play with the people with same skill set (if you have played these, you know that battles have very different feeling). Let the random battles be random. 

iKnewIT #99 Posted 08 February 2019 - 07:36 AM

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View Postthetoughcookie, on 08 February 2019 - 06:09 AM, said:

"
  • 4-5-6, 4-4-7 and even 5-5-5 for three-tier battles"

How cool is it to have 1-2 extra tier 10 when playing tier 8. WTF WG. Really....? This is wrong way. Totally wrong way. WHY?

 

The answer is in p. s., but You may go and read some mine old posts too.

 

View PostiKnewIT, on 08 February 2019 - 01:44 AM, said:

 

Sorry, I'm sick of trying to explain it for the last two Years, so I won't write any new post.

But, if You want to know why, go and read old ones.

 

http://forum.worldof...8#entry15813178

 

http://forum.worldof...5#entry15858075

 

http://forum.worldof...4#entry15817794

 

I hope it will be enough...

 

p. s. More highest tier tanks per battle (or in templates; with or without templates) in 2 and 3 levels battles means You will be more times on topof a battle list.

 



Vovan_marksman #100 Posted 08 February 2019 - 07:57 AM

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If your team are full with campers, any MM will not help you to win.




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