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Freak0ut13 #1 Posted 10 February 2019 - 02:23 PM

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Hello,

 

today i want to told you about my feelings to play this game. I am a new player and I archived to drive T5 tanks. Everytime I reached a new tier I was happy for the moment of purchasing the tank. And when I was playing the frustration began to raise from game to game. I do mistakes like every beginner but I am not that guy to rush into the frontline. I stay back drive with my buddys and see the enemy tanks. And then the frustration begins.  10x "Amorshoot" with the 7,5cm and the enemy oneshots me. I play the german tanks and i know that they are weaker armored but I don't get it that I be about 80% a oneshot. Please don't understand me wrong. Not from tankdestroyer. I get shot from Mediums and Heavy and some Lights (AMX ELC)? The other problem is that I don't understand why I should play as a T5 tank against a T7? This is the biggest stupid thing of the game, because you can't damage the tanks. At the moment I am thinking to quit the game. Or play arty or TD.

 

Would to know any hints or to hear about other new gamer experience about this. And how it feels to play as a low tier and be the rock on the feet for the team.

 

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Karlito



piratha #2 Posted 10 February 2019 - 03:01 PM

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The Skoda T24 has 132Pen @Tier 5, not bad. It fires slow though. An alternative is to go with the M4 and mount the derp gun == FUN. Same for KV-1(s) or the Pz. IV H. Derping negates armor, in general, plus you can cripple the other tanks and help the team further.

 

In your beginning games go for maximizing Viewrange, it helps you (assisted damage) and the team (you provide targets). Spend some timer at tier 3 and 4 (thinking of the Luchs!).

 

You òike Germans tanks? Then take a Pz. T25, all aroung cheap crew trainer. Don't rush for a Tier8 Premium.. not yet.

 

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MeetriX #3 Posted 10 February 2019 - 03:12 PM

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Most tier V can easily damage most tier VII.

Killing a full health tier VII is a different thing.



thetartanbaron #4 Posted 10 February 2019 - 03:50 PM

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If you want to be effective in 3-5-7 matchmaking then play TDs because they have big enough guns to damage tanks two tiers higher head on (and Oi-exp at tier 5). Armour means very little at tier 5 and means nothing when you are facing tier 6 and 7 tanks. Stealth and mobility will keep you alive long enough to do some damage. There's a reason you see lots of T67 around tier 5

 

Work to max out your vehicles view range by using binos or coated optics and also have concealment as first skill on your crews.

 

 


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Gremlin182 #5 Posted 10 February 2019 - 04:00 PM

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They envisage the game as a team game.

So when you are a tier 5 and the game has Three tier 7 Five tier 6 and you at the bottom among the Seven tier 5 tanks.

So you take on the same tier tanks and against the higher tiers you help where you can.

That's a generalisation as it depends on other factors.

 

Game has always been +2 -2  except for the early days when it was worse.

TDs work pretty well some are stealthy others have good frontal armour and anyway you are generally not in close combat enemies are often shooting someone else.

Light tanks work well too

 

Low tier facing high tier if it becomes a pain check out tanks that have large howitzers like the 105mm on the M4 Sherman or PZIVH It doesn't matter what the enemy is you can hurt them.

Play as a support tank or TD

 



Freak0ut13 #6 Posted 10 February 2019 - 05:19 PM

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View PostMeetriX, on 10 February 2019 - 03:12 PM, said:

Most tier V can easily damage most tier VII.

Killing a full health tier VII is a different thing.

 

Can you name some tanks? Because this is a answer which is not helping. My experience in T5 is a other.
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View Postthetartanbaron, on 10 February 2019 - 03:50 PM, said:

If you want to be effective in 3-5-7 matchmaking then play TDs because they have big enough guns to damage tanks two tiers higher head on (and Oi-exp at tier 5). Armour means very little at tier 5 and means nothing when you are facing tier 6 and 7 tanks. Stealth and mobility will keep you alive long enough to do some damage. There's a reason you see lots of T67 around tier 5

 

Work to max out your vehicles view range by using binos or coated optics and also have concealment as first skill on your crews.

 

 

 

Thanks for your answer. Yeah the Crew is one part which is not so good at the moment. Especially at the beginning :) - Thanks for your answer
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View Postpiratha, on 10 February 2019 - 03:01 PM, said:

The Skoda T24 has 132Pen @Tier 5, not bad. It fires slow though. An alternative is to go with the M4 and mount the derp gun == FUN. Same for KV-1(s) or the Pz. IV H. Derping negates armor, in general, plus you can cripple the other tanks and help the team further.

 

In your beginning games go for maximizing Viewrange, it helps you (assisted damage) and the team (you provide targets). Spend some timer at tier 3 and 4 (thinking of the Luchs!).

 

You òike Germans tanks? Then take a Pz. T25, all aroung cheap crew trainer. Don't rush for a Tier8 Premium.. not yet.

 

:honoring:

 

Thanks for the advise

thetartanbaron #7 Posted 10 February 2019 - 06:00 PM

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Yeah the Crew is one part which is not so good at the moment.

 

 

I dont know how wealthy you are or how much your time is worth to you but every time I went up a tier to a new tank I used to train my crew to 75% with credits then grind the rest of the way to 100% but now I just spend the 800 gold and train them up to 100% straight away. I find there is a big difference between even a 90% crew and a 100% crew. Plus it lets you start working on their skills sooner. Having good crew is at least half the game.

 

Like some posters have said you can try derp guns to hurt high tier tanks. I've tried them but got intensely frustrated with their inaccuracy. In fact I switched the 105mm howitzer on my M4 back to the 76mm and my stats in the tank immediately got better as I was able to actually hit something at over 100m.To penetrate high tier tanks sometimes you have to use premium ammo. Its there, may as well use it.



Gremlin182 #8 Posted 10 February 2019 - 07:07 PM

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Decent Tier 5 tanks well I like them

Light

German VK 16-02 Its got a high pen MG with great burst damage then you have to get away and reload its a close in assassin as is the Tier 4 Luchs

French AMX ELC bis very sneaky can be played with the limited traverse 90mm like a TD or with the 75mm with a 360 turret.

 

Medium

Russian T34

American M4 Sherman or the UK Sherman III

German PZIVH

OOPS EDIT TIME

Heavies

Russian KV1 this one is imo a keeper works very well with the 85mm gun or the 122mm gun using HE shells easy to play solid armour when angled.

American The T1 Its decent but added mostly because it leads via the M6 to the T29 which is an great tier 7 heavy tank and another worth keeping.

German Heavies I like but only from the Tiger and up and that's tier 7 

Japanese Tier 5 Pretty good Tier 6 very strong

 

TD

Russian Su85 good and those that follow it also good

American T67 amazing when played well M10 pretty good

UK  choice here maneuverable not much armour or tons of armour but very slow.

At tier 5 is the Archer its a little unusual as its much faster going backwards so can be tricky.

AT2 a semi mobile bunker that I love.

Germany Stug III G nice balanced TD and the Hetzer at tier IV is great too.

 

 

 

 

 


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Jigabachi #9 Posted 11 February 2019 - 12:01 AM

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This game is out for almost 10 years now, help with the basics is spread all across the internet. You just need to put some effort into finding it.

First hints:

1. The wiki: http://wiki.wargamin.../World_of_Tanks (especially the battle mechanics)

2. Different tutorials by WG:

Spoiler

 



captainpigg #10 Posted 11 February 2019 - 08:43 AM

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View Postkisli, on 11 February 2019 - 12:41 AM, said:

 

Because WarGaming decided that would be most profitable in short term, player experience be damned.

 

You've been playing it for over 6 years now, hardly what I'd call "short term". Plus it used to be +5mm as you well know.

Freak0ut13 #11 Posted 11 February 2019 - 08:53 AM

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View Postkisli, on 11 February 2019 - 01:41 AM, said:

 

Because WarGaming decided that would be most profitable in short term, player experience be damned.

 

I think that WoT got a lot of people who play it and  that the matchmaking for +-1 Tier no need longer looking for good matchups

Redraven59 #12 Posted 11 February 2019 - 08:58 AM

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View Postcaptainpigg, on 11 February 2019 - 08:43 AM, said:

 

You've been playing it for over 6 years now, hardly what I'd call "short term". Plus it used to be +5mm as you well know.

 

Yes, you're right. 100K years ago we lived in the caverns. Should we continue now?

Zmago5000 #13 Posted 11 February 2019 - 09:19 AM

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As a new player i was never dissapointed at start,..jumping tiers and exploring new fetures,....

what has  happened is  that I reached tier9/10 exp and credits  wall,....and that is killing boring,..70k exp for a gun, 200k exp for new tank  wtf? And paying credits just to play tier 9/10 wtf ?
 



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View PostZmago5000, on 11 February 2019 - 09:19 AM, said:

As a new player i was never dissapointed at start,..jumping tiers and exploring new fetures,....

what has  happened is  that I reached tier9/10 exp and credits  wall,....and that is killing boring,..70k exp for a gun, 200k exp for new tank  wtf? And paying credits just to play tier 9/10 wtf ?

The game is entirely free to play, but that doesn't mean that you can play the entire content without any drawbacks.

So you either have to pay or to grind credits.

Bonus question: Why do you even want to play hightiers?



Gremlin182 #15 Posted 11 February 2019 - 11:53 AM

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Although I now have a lot of tier 9 and 10 tanks and some of them I enjoy playing its not for everyone.

I still play tier 4 and up 4 only because the Luchs is so much fun.

Tier 8 used to be the best now its probably the worst tier which is why Frontline needs to become a regular addition to the game so we can get a break from meeting tier 9 and 10 opponents.

Sure we don;t get to meet lower tiers but we don't meet them in random battles any more though a fix is on the way for that hopefully.

 

Meeting lower tiers is good for completing some missions where you need to get kills or block damage.

Higher tiers means any damage and kills you get give more xp and credits, which is why the old +3 scout MM was fantastic.

Maybe the MM is so messed up now because of the constant Get a tier 8 premium tier 8ts earn loads of credits That and the fact that tier 9 and 10 are very expensive to run has pushed more of us into that tier.

 

 



kisli #16 Posted 11 February 2019 - 03:41 PM

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View Postcaptainpigg, on 11 February 2019 - 08:43 AM, said:

You've been playing it for over 6 years now, hardly what I'd call "short term". Plus it used to be +5mm as you well know.

 

3-5-7 was introduced in 2016.

 

Personally I tolerate being -2, even welcome it , depending on a tank. Occasionally. Like 1 in 3, maybe even 1 in 2.

Constant, 80%+ of the time, bottom tier in 3-5-7 template, where most battles are decided by skill disparity of the lucky 3....... well, take this job and shove it.  And that is before I even start to consider maps and so called tank balance.

 

Good thing newbies get addicted before they figure it out, it keeps the game alive.



Baldrickk #17 Posted 11 February 2019 - 03:47 PM

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View Postkisli, on 11 February 2019 - 01:41 AM, said:

 

View PostFreak0ut13, on 10 February 2019 - 02:23 PM, said:

 The other problem is that I don't understand why I should play as a T5 tank against a T7? 

 

Because WarGaming decided that would be most profitable in short term, player experience be damned.

Or maybe by halfway uo a tech tree you are out of the kiddie-pool and it's time to be ready to swim for real?



kisli #18 Posted 11 February 2019 - 07:23 PM

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Gotta have fresh supply of seals for the whales.

Baldrickk #19 Posted 11 February 2019 - 07:50 PM

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It would help to actually do 2+ damaging shots on average.

He could double his average damage in the Hetzer by mounting the 105 and penning one shot per battle.

The problem isnt +-2

SiliconSidewinder #20 Posted 11 February 2019 - 07:51 PM

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by the way WG announced a while ago that they will change the MM to a 5/5/5 tamplate.

 

so people will have a higher chance to be top tier in the future again, but obviously will also meet more top tier tanks in their other games. Sounds fair to me, though I still liked the old MM better.







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