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Bad_Mojo_incoming #1 Posted 12 February 2019 - 05:16 PM

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I mean how in God's name is this possible? WHO has a gun at tier 8 that can pen a Superpershing's riot shield? 3 times from the front?

I would VERY much like an explanation for this. I really would.

 

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Homer_J #2 Posted 12 February 2019 - 05:28 PM

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Where's your hitlog?  Where's your replay?  Where's the screenshot of the hit.

 

All we have is an image of some penetrations of the 88mm spaced armour, nothing to say they did damage.  And penetration marks aren't even that reliable.


Edited by Homer_J, 12 February 2019 - 05:28 PM.


Bad_Mojo_incoming #3 Posted 12 February 2019 - 05:33 PM

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View PostHomer_J, on 12 February 2019 - 05:28 PM, said:

Where's your hitlog?  Where's your replay?  Where's the screenshot of the hit.

 

All we have is an image of some penetrations of the 88mm spaced armour, nothing to say they did damage.  And penetration marks aren't even that reliable.

 

As you can see in the first pic, this was done in Frontline, and the game doesn't record frontline replays, sadly. And hitlog was off, as I was using Aslain mod, which have a better hitlog, but due to the 1.4.0.0.1 micropatch, it was deactived at the time and I haven't activated the ingame log.

 

Check out my HP, I just a little over a 1000 HP thats about 3 shots with a 390 alpha gun. I understand that you are somewhat sceptical, but you'll just have to believe that these 3 were my only hits resulting in HP loss, otherwise they wouldn't look like penetrations.


Edited by Bad_Mojo_incoming, 12 February 2019 - 05:37 PM.


enu_ #4 Posted 12 February 2019 - 05:45 PM

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how do i have replays from frontline?

ends with 208_bf_epic_normandy ~5MB each

 

and about hitlogs, you dont need mod for that, there is in game hitlog for ages now


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wsatnutter #5 Posted 12 February 2019 - 06:22 PM

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replays are in the replay folder m8

Balc0ra #6 Posted 12 February 2019 - 06:30 PM

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You say 390 and 3. So IS-3A for I'm guessing? And with HEAT by the looks of it. So 271 pen. Thing is that your mantle is not impervious to HEAT ammo. Gap is not that big for him to lose that much pen. Tank.gg says it has 500 to over 1K effective armor there, as it adds like 10 plates of spaced armor for some reason. But that's not 100% correct. It's not that many plates there.

 

All it is, is an 88mm plate over what's about 300mm effective underneath it there.  And that HEAT ammo can high pen roll to about 340 pen. And heat loses about 5% pr 10cm it travels. But the gap there is to small vs say the lower plate. So yeah. It's not 100% impossible depending on where he actually hit on the mantle. And further out on the other two hits, it's ofc way less. Thus even more likely to pen. If you hit the upper corners it's not even 200.
 


Edited by Balc0ra, 12 February 2019 - 06:33 PM.


pecopad #7 Posted 12 February 2019 - 06:30 PM

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Why the need for the replay, we have the Pic...

 

But you know who penned you, so can you give us the solution? I want one of those....



Homer_J #8 Posted 12 February 2019 - 06:34 PM

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View PostBad_Mojo_incoming, on 12 February 2019 - 04:33 PM, said:

 

 resulting in HP loss, otherwise they wouldn't look like penetrations.

Nope.  Spaced armour pens look like pens.

 

View Postpecopad, on 12 February 2019 - 05:30 PM, said:

Why the need for the replay, we have the Pic...

 

We have a pic which tells us he got hit on the mantlet, it doesn't say he didn't get hit elsewhere.

 

Anyway, looks like it's tanks.gg which is wrong.



gpalsson #9 Posted 12 February 2019 - 06:40 PM

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WG!!!!

EXPLAIN THIS!!!



baratoz1701 #10 Posted 12 February 2019 - 06:40 PM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 12 February 2019 - 05:30 PM, said:

All it is, is an 88mm plate over what's about 300mm effective underneath it there.  And that HEAT ammo can high pen roll to about 340 pen. And heat loses about 5% pr 10cm it travels. But the gap there is to small vs say the lower plate. So yeah. It's not 100% impossible depending on where he actually hit on the mantle. And further out on the other two hits, it's ofc way less. Thus even more likely to pen. If you hit the upper corners it's not even 200.

 

 

heat never loses pen over any distance



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View Postbaratoz1701, on 12 February 2019 - 06:40 PM, said:

 

heat never loses pen over any distance

 

You might want to read up on HEAT and spaced armor as well as watch this:



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View Postgpalsson, on 12 February 2019 - 05:40 PM, said:

WG!!!!

EXPLAIN THIS!!!

 

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View PostBad_Mojo_incoming, on 12 February 2019 - 04:16 PM, said:

I mean how in God's name is this possible? WHO has a gun at tier 8 that can pen a Superpershing's riot shield? 3 times from the front?

 

Any tank who belongs in privileged team ( = team which has set for victory before game start) 

 

 



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Without a replay, there's little anyone can actually do. 

Bad_Mojo_incoming #15 Posted 12 February 2019 - 09:05 PM

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View PostHomer_J, on 12 February 2019 - 06:34 PM, said:

Nope.  Spaced armour pens look like pens.

 

We have a pic which tells us he got hit on the mantlet, it doesn't say he didn't get hit elsewhere.

 

Anyway, looks like it's tanks.gg which is wrong.

 

Ok, found the replay, spaced armor hits really look like pens. You were right.

 

I checked the replay, 2 hits on the mantlet was non penetrating (why are those displayed as pens, I don't know)

But 1 hit was from a Su130 with HEAT, right through the spaced armor. 320 pen goes through 400 effective spaced armor, how is that?

 

Here's the rep, or, more specifically, here WOULD it be if I could attach it, but 'I'm not permited to upload it.'

 

Here's a link http://wotreplays.eu...z_m_41_90_mm_gf


Edited by Bad_Mojo_incoming, 12 February 2019 - 09:09 PM.


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View PostBad_Mojo_incoming, on 12 February 2019 - 08:05 PM, said:

 

Ok, found the replay, spaced armor hits really look like pens. You were right.

 

I checked the replay, 2 hits on the mantlet was non penetrating (why are those displayed as pens, I don't know)

 

 

Because they penetrate the first layer of armour then get stopped by one of the others of course.  If would be stupid to have them ding off a 10mm spaced armour plate wouldn't it.

 

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320 pen goes through 400 effective spaced armor, how is that?

We already told you tanks.gg has it wrong.  There are 3 layers of armour.  The spaced plate, the mantlet and the turret front.  Not 5/6/8/10/ however many tanks.gg has invented.  Total is about 300mm.

 

So 320 pen goes through 300mm armour, who'd have thunk?



Balc0ra #17 Posted 12 February 2019 - 10:00 PM

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View Postbaratoz1701, on 12 February 2019 - 06:40 PM, said:

 

heat never loses pen over any distance

 

When it travels to its target. Then no. When it detonates on spaced armor and still travels towards the armor. Then yes it does. Thus why most say it's not that ideal vs spaced armor. As if the gap is too big between the plate and the actual armor he can damage. He might lose to much pen. As then it loses 5% pr 10 cm traveled. As in the beam it shoots out from the shell. Not the shell itself. As the longer the beam, the less effective it is if you will.

 

View PostBad_Mojo_incoming, on 12 February 2019 - 09:05 PM, said:

But 1 hit was from a Su130 with HEAT, right through the spaced armor. 320 pen goes through 400 effective spaced armor, how is that?

 

A: it's not 320 flat pen. You still have the 25% high roll. And B: As we said, tank.gg is wrong in terms of effective armor value, as it has way too many spaced plates listed. And the closer to the edge you get on that top plate, the main armor behind it drops to between 300 to 200 effective. So with HEAT that has a high pen that doesn't travel long. You still have a chance. 


Edited by Balc0ra, 12 February 2019 - 10:02 PM.


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View PostBad_Mojo_incoming, on 12 February 2019 - 09:05 PM, said:

Ok, found the replay, spaced armor hits really look like pens. You were right.

 

I checked the replay, 2 hits on the mantlet was non penetrating (why are those displayed as pens, I don't know)

But 1 hit was from a Su130 with HEAT, right through the spaced armor. 320 pen goes through 400 effective spaced armor, how is that?

 

Here's the rep, or, more specifically, here WOULD it be if I could attach it, but 'I'm not permited to upload it.'

 

Here's a link http://wotreplays.eu...z_m_41_90_mm_gf

 

If hit 1 is the top most, there's a strip of 120-150 mm of armour there, it's tiny but it's there.

You got unlucky, that's all.



the_nebuchadnezzar #19 Posted 13 February 2019 - 01:18 AM

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The real question is: why the hell do you play SuperPershing in FrontLine?! 

Bad_Mojo_incoming #20 Posted 13 February 2019 - 07:42 AM

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View Postthe_nebuchadnezzar, on 13 February 2019 - 01:18 AM, said:

The real question is: why the hell do you play SuperPershing in FrontLine?! 

 

Gee, I don't know...maybe, because it's reasonably fast, got good armor (most of the time), has enough pen for most tier 8 tanks, and because I don't have any powercreep tanks, like the Defender, Patriot or Liberte, or tanks with broken guns like Skorpion, Su130, S1...and cz this tank has a 5 skilled crew.

 

But, I'm not playing FL anymore, either way. Total waste of time without a premium account, IMO as I'm pretty much done grinding tier 8 tanks, and I can farm faster in random.






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