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Poll: XVM in WoT (257 members have cast votes)

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Should XVM be banned ?

  1. Yes (170 votes [66.15%])

    Percentage of vote: 66.15%

  2. No (87 votes [33.85%])

    Percentage of vote: 33.85%

If you said yes, then why (few options i could thnk of)?

  1. I got stat-shamed. (9 votes [3.50%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.50%

  2. I'm a purplecum who gets focused 24/7 (38 votes [14.79%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.79%

  3. It gives somehow an unfair advantage (86 votes [33.46%])

    Percentage of vote: 33.46%

  4. ??? (31 votes [12.06%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.06%

  5. I said NO! (93 votes [36.19%])

    Percentage of vote: 36.19%

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ThinGun #61 Posted 14 February 2019 - 04:41 PM

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View Postsignal11th, on 14 February 2019 - 04:36 PM, said:

 

 yes we do have xvm on the forums because as soon as anyone makes a ridiculous post or assumption most people check their stats but we do it manually and not have a nice friendly app to give it us.

 

But we don't.  Looking up stats on a third party site is NOT XVM.  And most people seem to agree that looking up stats manually is OK, it's just using XVM to display them in-game that's a problem.



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View PostThinGun, on 14 February 2019 - 04:25 PM, said:

 

I don't think there's any question about whether people rely on it or get an advantage from it - of course they do, otherwise, why use it?

 

The only debate is whether such advantage is unfair or not.  You say it is, I say it isn't.  There's no science or empirical evidence to support either opinion - the grown up thing to do is "agree to differ".

 

  It gets unfairer the better you are as there is more chance of you being the focal point of XVM information. Really though if its unfair for even a small majority it should just be removed, games of skill should be as evenly balanced as possible to me it makes them more interesting. You probably don't get focused by XVM users, I get it rarely, Signal will get more than me as he is blue on XVM, Uni's first look on the team sheet is probably to check if the enemy have arty :P Due to the fact that if anything is going to ruin their game it will be someone in arty reacting to the info they have.

 

Concerning the agree to differ point, its quite clear that WG only really react to loud noisy responses, a group of us want it removing from matches. It's becoming a more popular stance, hopefully, they will get rid of it before I reach blue status :)


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ThinGun #63 Posted 14 February 2019 - 04:42 PM

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View Posttajj7, on 14 February 2019 - 04:41 PM, said:

 

And you are wrong, there is no discussion here and no evidence is needed because its based on the literal definition of the word 'fair'. 

 

Fair means access for everyone, external mods are not accessible to everyone who plays the game for various reasons (many may not even know about them, some might not want to download non certified/verified stuff etc, etc.), stuff in game IS, therefore is fair.  Just because you were unable to find crew training even though it is right in front of you does not make it fair, it just makes you blind. 

 

If you want to argue, take it up with the dictionary. 

 

Pfft.  Everyone CAN use XVM.  End of.

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View Postsignal11th, on 14 February 2019 - 04:36 PM, said:

 

because as soon as anyone makes a ridiculous post or assumption most people check their stats but we do it manually and not have a nice friendly app to give it us.

 

Just a curious question. Let's say playes want all their stats for themself. Would you be ok with that ? You dont want them ingame, but lets assume I do not want my stats visible for anyone but me...

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View PostRati_Festa, on 14 February 2019 - 04:42 PM, said:

 

  It gets unfairer the better you are as there is more chance of you being the focal point of XVM information. Really though if its unfair for even a small majority it should just be removed, games of skill should be as evenly balanced as possible to me it makes them more interesting. You probably don't get focused by XVM users, I get it rarely, Signal will get more than me as he is blue on XVM, Uni's first look on the team sheet is probably to check if the enemy have arty :P Due to the fact that if anything is going to ruin their game it will be someone in arty reacting to the info they have.

 

Concerning the agree to differ point, its quite clear that WG only really react to loud noisy responses, a group of us want it removing from matches. It's becoming a more popular stance, hopefully, they will get rid of it before I reach blue status :)

 

SO basically, if I go into game and see QuickFingers on the enemy team and focus my attention on destroying him ... that would be fair. 

If I saw an anonymous Uni on the enemy and focus my attention on destroying him .. that would be unfair.

 

Not sure the logic holds up.



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View PostJumping_Turtle, on 14 February 2019 - 03:45 PM, said:

 

Just a curious question. Let's say playes want all their stats for themself. Would you be ok with that ? You dont want them ingame, but lets assume I do not want my stats visible for anyone but me...

fine with me but you misread me, I said I don't want them in "battle" , stats in "game" I'm fine with.

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View PostThinGun, on 14 February 2019 - 03:45 PM, said:

 

SO basically, if I go into game and see QuickFingers on the enemy team and focus my attention on destroying him ... that would be fair. 

If I saw an anonymous Uni on the enemy and focus my attention on destroying him .. that would be unfair.

 

Not sure the logic holds up.

 

You focus someone who doesn't have XVM.. it's unfair regardless of whether or not they can download or if they know about it.

ThinGun #67 Posted 14 February 2019 - 04:49 PM

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View Postsignal11th, on 14 February 2019 - 04:47 PM, said:

fine with me but you misread me, I said I don't want them in "battle" , stats in "game" I'm fine with.

 

But not everyone knows how to look up stats, so that would give you an unfair advantage ...

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View PostThinGun, on 14 February 2019 - 03:49 PM, said:

 

But not everyone knows how to look up stats, so that would give you an unfair advantage ...

 

Again... for the hard of hearing, I can see peoples stats in game anytime I want if you don't know how to do that it's your own fault because it's supplied in game but I can't look them up when I'm fighting...………..XVM lets you do this thus giving you an advantage I don't have.

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View Postsignal11th, on 14 February 2019 - 04:47 PM, said:

fine with me but you misread me, I said I don't want them in "battle" , stats in "game" I'm fine with.

 

I didnt missread you, I was just curious if you would be ok with no stats at all besides your own.

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View PostJumping_Turtle, on 14 February 2019 - 03:52 PM, said:

 

I didnt missread you, I was just curious if you would be ok with no stats at all besides your own.

 

I personally wouldn't care if they game had no stats but then what would be the point of playing it. Just to reiterate I don't have a problem with XVM in garage,out of game,websites or even XVM t-shirts and cereal bowls but when I click battle nobody should be able to see how bad or good or average I am or the same for other players I'm playing against. If they want to do that then they should have to wait till after the battle then look me up and go,, fecking ebay account bot or hey he's actually pretty good. More likely the first one.

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Jumping_Turtle #71 Posted 14 February 2019 - 05:14 PM

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View Postsignal11th, on 14 February 2019 - 04:57 PM, said:

 

I personally wouldn't care if they game had no stats but then what would be the point of playing it.

 

I didnt mean no stats, but those stats would only be visible for the players themself. So I can see my own stats, but could not see yours.

 

 

And the puspose of the game is of course to have fun ;)



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View Postsignal11th, on 14 February 2019 - 04:57 PM, said:

 

I personally wouldn't care if they game had no stats but then what would be the point of playing it. Just to reiterate I don't have a problem with XVM in garage,out of game,websites or even XVM t-shirts and cereal bowls but when I click battle nobody should be able to see how bad or good or average I am or the same for other players I'm playing against. If they want to do that then they should have to wait till after the battle then look me up and go,, fecking ebay account bot or hey he's actually pretty good. More likely the first one.

 

Says you.  

 

You have an opinion.  Other people don't share your opinion.  Live with it, instead of trying to enforce YOUR idea of fair play on everyone else, eh?

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View Postsignal11th, on 14 February 2019 - 04:52 PM, said:

 

Again... for the hard of hearing, I can see peoples stats in game anytime I want if you don't know how to do that it's your own fault because it's supplied in game but I can't look them up when I'm fighting...………..XVM lets you do this thus giving you an advantage I don't have.

 

So ... if I can't see stats in game, it's my fault.  If I can see them in battle, I'm cheating?

Hmmm.  Your use of 'logic' is ... oddly illogical.

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View PostJumping_Turtle, on 14 February 2019 - 04:14 PM, said:

 

I didnt mean no stats, but those stats would only be visible for the players themself. So I can see my own stats, but could not see yours.

 

 

And the puspose of the game is of course to have fun ;)

As my above post said I haven't got a problem with anyone seeing my stats or anyone elses as you can already do this in the actual game itself as you know. I don't need people to see my stats, my stats are my stats they are for me so to answer you question It wouldn't bother me no.

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View PostThinGun, on 14 February 2019 - 04:15 PM, said:

 

Says you.  

 

You have an opinion.  Other people don't share your opinion.  Live with it, instead of trying to enforce YOUR idea of fair play on everyone else, eh?

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So ... if I can't see stats in game, it's my fault.  If I can see them in battle, I'm cheating?

Hmmm.  Your use of 'logic' is ... oddly illogical.

 

lol I think you need to understand the word logic a little better.. We can both see them in the game, I can't see them in the battle but you can.. what is your logic telling you?

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View Postsignal11th, on 14 February 2019 - 04:47 PM, said:

fine with me but you misread me, I said I don't want them in "battle" , stats in "game" I'm fine with.

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You focus someone who doesn't have XVM.. it's unfair regardless of whether or not they can download or if they know about it.

 

So it's unfair to focus on someone because of XVM, but not if you know them by reputation?

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So all this can be fixed with two checkboxes :

 

[ ] Do not share my stats in battle

[ ] Do not share my stats at all with anyone but me



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View PostThinGun, on 14 February 2019 - 04:20 PM, said:

 

So it's unfair to focus on someone because of XVM, but not if you know them by reputation?

 

That isn't the argument though is it, it's completely separate argument. Someone's reputation is something "you" have learnt from the game it isn't given to you by an app.

Edited by signal11th, 14 February 2019 - 05:23 PM.


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View Postsignal11th, on 14 February 2019 - 05:21 PM, said:

 

That isn't the argument though is it, it's completely separate argument. Someone's reputation is something "you" have learnt from the game it isn't given to you by an app.

Its funny if I saw Thingun in game, I would definately focus him :)



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View PostRati_Festa, on 14 February 2019 - 04:25 PM, said:

Its funny if I saw Thingun in game, I would definately focus him :)

 

Yep Fv4005...…….DERP. pm after game ahh yes sorry about that but xvm highlighted you and I wanted to say hi.

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View PostRati_Festa, on 14 February 2019 - 05:25 PM, said:

Its funny if I saw Thingun in game, I would definately focus him :)

 

Just blacklist him. Even with xvm gone you will be able to spot him easily ;)

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View PostRati_Festa, on 14 February 2019 - 04:21 PM, said:

 

So in my example where the 3 arty gang up on the enemy unicum and we win as he is literally removed from game due to the fact that he is purple and they have XVM. That didn't give the arty players a better chance of winning?

 

 When a unicum sees 3 arty, he will stay unspotted as long as possible+ search for cover. 3 arty can gang up on 1 unicum, but that will only hurt themselves as while they focus on 1 tank, the enemy arty keeps decimating their allies.

 

1 lone purple cant win you the game. It depends on his team. You can boast as long as you want about your 'proven facts'.

 

It is also good to note that to recognize many unicums you dont even need XVM. Just look at the clan.


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