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fwhaatpiraat #1 Posted 06 March 2019 - 10:19 PM

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Hi everyone,

 

We all know there are various metrics around that (should) indicate skill in WoT: WN8, winrate, RushRating. However, all of these metrics have their own flaws and could be padded, which make them not trustworthy anymore. For instance, WN8 can be padded by farming damage from the red line, winrate can be padded by platooning and RR can be padded by getting Kamikaze medals. So because of this I figured it was time to create a new metric that is the ultimate indicator of skill. I defined the following requirements:

- The new metric should not be paddable.

- The metric takes into account what year it is: having 3k dpg in tanks in 2013 was a lot more impressive than 3k dpg in 2019. Therefore the metric scales with the year we're in.

- Bots with 0 WN8 (but still a decent-ish winrate) get filtered out.

- The new metric is based on the 'balance-constant'. Such as the speed of light in a vacuum and the gravitational constant. Having such a constant into the formula of the new metric contributes to the precision and trustworthyness of the metric.

 

I decided to call the new metric: WN69, since it is loosely based on WN8 and people are familiar with that metric and its predecessors like WN7. '69' just seems to fit the new metric well, hence 'WN69'. The WN69 for a given player is based on his/her WN8 rating. However, the WN69-formula acts like an adjustment for WN8, that makes the difference between WN8 (paddable) and WN69 (not paddable + filters out bots + takes the year into account).

 

The formula for WN69 is as follows:

All parameters seem kinda straightforward, I think. The term '8' is used because that's what WN69 is based on. What's so smart of the WN69 metric is that it gives an error when you fill in '0' as 'player WN8', since you cannot divide by zero. This way, bots with 0 WN8 won't have a WN69-value. Really neat, I'd say. As said, the balance constant is a kinda strange constant number, apparently the value of this number is: 727,75548859. Only downside (imo) is that it requires some calculations on a calculator.

 

Let's give an example for a player with 1850 WN8:

 

 

What is your WN69? It would be nice if all forumites do their calculation and share their WN69 here so we could discuss it. :)

 

 

 

 


Edited by fwhaatpiraat, 06 March 2019 - 10:23 PM.


arthurwellsley #2 Posted 06 March 2019 - 10:30 PM

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Because 69 is endless fun?

 

I thought that the meaning of life was 42?


Edited by arthurwellsley, 06 March 2019 - 10:30 PM.


nakkipeppu #3 Posted 06 March 2019 - 10:34 PM

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That's a very interesting method of assessing skill, and I can see it's merits. Nowadays we have way too many different ratings, which makes it extremely difficult to get a holistic view on the player ability - between all these different ratings, it's absolutely imperative we need to create a new one to replace them all - so there's just one superior rating, not 10.

 

I think it kind of falls a bit short though. As it is now, since you're using gravitational constant when defining balance constant, the whole thing obviously becomes unbalanced. You probably should divide the values with gravitational constant all across the board - by pure logic it would then become perfectly balanced.

 

But it's better than the method I use nonetheless - I devised a rating that's based on the bass, wetness and pure oomph factor of the sound my e-donger makes, when I slap it on other peoples faces.

 

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In my rating, I'm rated as "honey glazed week old bratwurst" by the way.

Edited by nakkipeppu, 06 March 2019 - 10:35 PM.


NekoPuffer_PPP #4 Posted 06 March 2019 - 10:41 PM

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I came up with 7439878,378402275 but I think I probably messed up.

 

Side note: I fully support and approve of this new metric.



8126Jakobsson #5 Posted 06 March 2019 - 10:42 PM

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I get you, fwhaat'

 

 

 

 



fwhaatpiraat #6 Posted 06 March 2019 - 10:48 PM

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View PostPervyPastryPuffer, on 06 March 2019 - 10:41 PM, said:

I came up with 7439878,378402275 but I think I probably messed up.

 

Side note: I fully support and approve of this new metric.

 

I assume you did something wrong with the formula indeed. Did you use brackets for the term below the line?

NekoPuffer_PPP #7 Posted 06 March 2019 - 10:49 PM

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View Post8126Jakobsson, on 06 March 2019 - 10:42 PM, said:

I get you, fwhaat'

 

 

 

 

 

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View Postfwhaatpiraat, on 06 March 2019 - 10:48 PM, said:

I assume you did something wrong with the formula indeed. Did you use brackets for the term below the line?

 

I can't math. I don't even know what you mean, where do the brackets go? I just can't...

LincolnTank #8 Posted 06 March 2019 - 10:54 PM

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3.16

evilchaosmonkey #9 Posted 06 March 2019 - 10:58 PM

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Ohh matron mine was 69.69

 

Now that's just 'unfair plane' kinky if you ask me.



Long_Range_Sniper #10 Posted 06 March 2019 - 10:59 PM

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I'm purple.

fwhaatpiraat #11 Posted 06 March 2019 - 10:59 PM

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View PostPervyPastryPuffer, on 06 March 2019 - 10:49 PM, said:

 

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I can't math. I don't even know what you mean, where do the brackets go? I just can't...

 

Just use a calculator: fill in your WN8, multiply by 2019, multiply by 8, multiply by 3,14, divide by your WN8, divide by 727,75548859.

Joggaman #12 Posted 06 March 2019 - 11:00 PM

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View PostLincolnTank, on 06 March 2019 - 10:54 PM, said:

3.16

 

«For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.»

evilchaosmonkey #13 Posted 06 March 2019 - 11:01 PM

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View Postfwhaatpiraat, on 06 March 2019 - 09:59 PM, said:

 

Just use a calculator: fill in your WN8, multiply by 2019, multiply by 8, multiply by 3,14, divide by your WN8, divide by 727,75548859.

 

The forum can't even see the MM is random, how the hell do you think they'll work that out? 

You must constantly go through life being upset, with expectations this high.

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View PostLong_Range_Sniper, on 06 March 2019 - 09:59 PM, said:

I'm purple.

 

She's doing it wrong if you are.  Try telling her to ease off a bit.

PanzerVor87 #14 Posted 06 March 2019 - 11:08 PM

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I got 69,69000000022384 :confused:

250swb #15 Posted 06 March 2019 - 11:12 PM

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We don't need new metrics to make diamonds out of shite, we need Wargaming to sort their act out pronto.

fwhaatpiraat #16 Posted 06 March 2019 - 11:19 PM

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View Postpihip, on 06 March 2019 - 11:08 PM, said:

I got 69,69000000022384 :confused:

 

That seems quite decent, I'd say. :)

NekoPuffer_PPP #17 Posted 06 March 2019 - 11:24 PM

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View Postfwhaatpiraat, on 06 March 2019 - 10:59 PM, said:

Just use a calculator: fill in your WN8, multiply by 2019, multiply by 8, multiply by 3,14, divide by your WN8, divide by 727,75548859.

 

...that's not how your formula goes. ...or, not how I'd read it.

 

But, doing each step exactly how you said brought me to this number: 69,69000000022384 so that works.



malowany #18 Posted 06 March 2019 - 11:33 PM

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69.6900000002 - and I dont really know what that means. I mean I like the double 69 here, I do aprove of this message but no idea what else it suggests.

Objec7 #19 Posted 06 March 2019 - 11:36 PM

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View Postfwhaatpiraat, on 06 March 2019 - 10:19 PM, said:

Hi everyone,

 

We all know there are various metrics around that (should) indicate skill in WoT: WN8, winrate, RushRating. However, all of these metrics have their own flaws and could be padded, which make them not trustworthy anymore. For instance, WN8 can be padded by farming damage from the red line, winrate can be padded by platooning and RR can be padded by getting Kamikaze medals. So because of this I figured it was time to create a new metric that is the ultimate indicator of skill. I defined the following requirements:

- The new metric should not be paddable.

- The metric takes into account what year it is: having 3k dpg in tanks in 2013 was a lot more impressive than 3k dpg in 2019. Therefore the metric scales with the year we're in.

- Bots with 0 WN8 (but still a decent-ish winrate) get filtered out.

- The new metric is based on the 'balance-constant'. Such as the speed of light in a vacuum and the gravitational constant. Having such a constant into the formula of the new metric contributes to the precision and trustworthyness of the metric.

 

I decided to call the new metric: WN69, since it is loosely based on WN8 and people are familiar with that metric and its predecessors like WN7. '69' just seems to fit the new metric well, hence 'WN69'. The WN69 for a given player is based on his/her WN8 rating. However, the WN69-formula acts like an adjustment for WN8, that makes the difference between WN8 (paddable) and WN69 (not paddable + filters out bots + takes the year into account).

 

The formula for WN69 is as follows:

All parameters seem kinda straightforward, I think. The term '8' is used because that's what WN69 is based on. What's so smart of the WN69 metric is that it gives an error when you fill in '0' as 'player WN8', since you cannot divide by zero. This way, bots with 0 WN8 won't have a WN69-value. Really neat, I'd say. As said, the balance constant is a kinda strange constant number, apparently the value of this number is: 727,75548859. Only downside (imo) is that it requires some calculations on a calculator.

 

Let's give an example for a player with 1850 WN8:

 

 

What is your WN69? It would be nice if all forumites do their calculation and share their WN69 here so we could discuss it. :)

 

 

 

 


Edited by Objec7, 06 March 2019 - 11:36 PM.


Maximu_invader #20 Posted 06 March 2019 - 11:39 PM

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i just made calculation,there is no difference in players who has 1500wn8 and 3000wn8. Im gonna do more calculations later,but i dont belive this formula is good..
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View Postevilchaosmonkey, on 06 March 2019 - 09:58 PM, said:

Ohh matron mine was 69.69

 

Now that's just 'unfair plane' kinky if you ask me.

 

let me guess it is 69.69000000022383....try again with different wn8...i belive it will be the same

 







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