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evilchaosmonkey #21 Posted 06 March 2019 - 11:45 PM

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View PostMaximu_invader, on 06 March 2019 - 10:39 PM, said:

i just made calculation,there is no difference in players who has 1500wn8 and 3000wn8. Im gonna do more calculations later,but i dont belive this formula is good..
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let me guess it is 69.69000000022383....try again with different wn8...i belive it will be the same

 

 

Sigh.....

Did you miss the fractions class at primary school by any chance?

 

When you know what the OP has done, you'll smile.....



BravelyRanAway #22 Posted 06 March 2019 - 11:46 PM

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View PostLong_Range_Sniper, on 06 March 2019 - 09:59 PM, said:

I'm purple.

Try it without the gimp-suit.



NekoPuffer_PPP #23 Posted 06 March 2019 - 11:46 PM

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View Postfwhaatpiraat, on 06 March 2019 - 10:19 PM, said:

I decided to call the new metric: WN69

 

View Postevilchaosmonkey, on 06 March 2019 - 10:58 PM, said:

Ohh matron mine was 69.69

 

Now that's just 'unfair plane' kinky if you ask me.

View Postpihip, on 06 March 2019 - 11:08 PM, said:

69,69000000022384

View PostPervyPastryPuffer, on 06 March 2019 - 11:24 PM, said:

69,69000000022384

View Postmalowany, on 06 March 2019 - 11:33 PM, said:

69.6900000002

 

For pete's sake fwhaat how the flying **** do you come up with this stuff???



evilchaosmonkey #24 Posted 06 March 2019 - 11:47 PM

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View PostPervyPastryPuffer, on 06 March 2019 - 10:46 PM, said:

 

 

For pete's sake fwhaat how the flying **** do you come up with this stuff???

 

He's a cunning genius in my opinion.

Long_Range_Sniper #25 Posted 06 March 2019 - 11:52 PM

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View PostBravelyRanAway, on 06 March 2019 - 10:46 PM, said:

Try it without the gimp-suit.

 

The sexual innuendo and general depravity in this thread is frankly disgusting.

 

View Postevilchaosmonkey, on 06 March 2019 - 10:47 PM, said:

He's a cunning genius in my opinion.

 

Yep, it's a cunning stunt.



Evilier_than_Skeletor #26 Posted 06 March 2019 - 11:54 PM

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View Postevilchaosmonkey, on 06 March 2019 - 11:47 PM, said:

 

He's a cunning genius in my opinion.

Now the question is if he also planned that this not at all arbitrary formula also happens to place any player as the top player of the world...:trollface:



fwhaatpiraat #27 Posted 06 March 2019 - 11:55 PM

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View PostMaximu_invader, on 06 March 2019 - 11:39 PM, said:

i just made calculation,there is no difference in players who has 1500wn8 and 3000wn8. Im gonna do more calculations later,but i dont belive this formula is good..
22:41 Added after 2 minutes

 

let me guess it is 69.69000000022383....try again with different wn8...i belive it will be the same

 

 

It's a bit like winrate or WN8, there are multiple ways to get the same value! :)

Maximu_invader #28 Posted 06 March 2019 - 11:56 PM

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View Postevilchaosmonkey, on 06 March 2019 - 10:45 PM, said:

 

Sigh.....

Did you miss the fractions class at primary school by any chance?

 

When you know what the OP has done, you'll smile.....

 

yes,i knew it right after i reply to this post,but too late bro...he fooled me :D that man know stuff,he must be sensei :D

Baldrickk #29 Posted 07 March 2019 - 12:05 AM

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View Postfwhaatpiraat, on 06 March 2019 - 10:19 PM, said:

 

 

Too obvious.

wn8 × 2019 × 8 × 3.14

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wn8 × 727,75548859

 

yawn.  Good job though.  I guess.



LordMuffin #30 Posted 07 March 2019 - 07:39 AM

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View Postfwhaatpiraat, on 06 March 2019 - 10:19 PM, said:

Hi everyone,

 

We all know there are various metrics around that (should) indicate skill in WoT: WN8, winrate, RushRating. However, all of these metrics have their own flaws and could be padded, which make them not trustworthy anymore. For instance, WN8 can be padded by farming damage from the red line, winrate can be padded by platooning and RR can be padded by getting Kamikaze medals. So because of this I figured it was time to create a new metric that is the ultimate indicator of skill. I defined the following requirements:

- The new metric should not be paddable.

- The metric takes into account what year it is: having 3k dpg in tanks in 2013 was a lot more impressive than 3k dpg in 2019. Therefore the metric scales with the year we're in.

- Bots with 0 WN8 (but still a decent-ish winrate) get filtered out.

- The new metric is based on the 'balance-constant'. Such as the speed of light in a vacuum and the gravitational constant. Having such a constant into the formula of the new metric contributes to the precision and trustworthyness of the metric.

 

I decided to call the new metric: WN69, since it is loosely based on WN8 and people are familiar with that metric and its predecessors like WN7. '69' just seems to fit the new metric well, hence 'WN69'. The WN69 for a given player is based on his/her WN8 rating. However, the WN69-formula acts like an adjustment for WN8, that makes the difference between WN8 (paddable) and WN69 (not paddable + filters out bots + takes the year into account).

 

The formula for WN69 is as follows:

All parameters seem kinda straightforward, I think. The term '8' is used because that's what WN69 is based on. What's so smart of the WN69 metric is that it gives an error when you fill in '0' as 'player WN8', since you cannot divide by zero. This way, bots with 0 WN8 won't have a WN69-value. Really neat, I'd say. As said, the balance constant is a kinda strange constant number, apparently the value of this number is: 727,75548859. Only downside (imo) is that it requires some calculations on a calculator.

 

Let's give an example for a player with 1850 WN8:

 

 

What is your WN69? It would be nice if all forumites do their calculation and share their WN69 here so we could discuss it. :)

 

 

 

 

I spotted an error, it is not 3.14, it is pi.

 

Now, some might wonder why pi is in this equation aswell. And to that I have no answer, except that pi is in many weird equations.

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View PostPervyPastryPuffer, on 06 March 2019 - 11:24 PM, said:

 

...that's not how your formula goes. ...or, not how I'd read it.

 

But, doing each step exactly how you said brought me to this number: 69,69000000022384 so that works.

That is exactly how the formula goes and how it should be read mathematically.

 

The other one would be.

WN8 times 8 times 2019 times 3.14 divided by, in brackets, wn8 times balance constant.

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View PostMaximu_invader, on 06 March 2019 - 11:39 PM, said:

i just made calculation,there is no difference in players who has 1500wn8 and 3000wn8. Im gonna do more calculations later,but i dont belive this formula is good..
22:41 Added after 2 minutes

 

let me guess it is 69.69000000022383....try again with different wn8...i belive it will be the same

 

Yes it will be the same, since the wn8 number is irrelevant to the outcome.

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View PostPervyPastryPuffer, on 06 March 2019 - 11:46 PM, said:

 

 

For pete's sake fwhaat how the flying **** do you come up with this stuff???

Basic maths. 

It could have looked.

 

WN8 value times 69 divided by wn8 value.

 

 

It we could have been the formula for wn42 aswell.

((WN8 value + WR)  / wn8 value) + current year × pi / tank constant (154.69). Round to nearest whole number.

 

Wn42 is of course a way better metric then wn69, since it takes winrate into account aswell.


Edited by LordMuffin, 07 March 2019 - 08:37 AM.


TheDrownedApe #31 Posted 07 March 2019 - 08:31 AM

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View PostBaldrickk, on 06 March 2019 - 11:05 PM, said:

Too obvious.

wn8 × 2019 × 8 × 3.14

-------------------------------------

wn8 × 727,75548859

 

yawn.  Good job though.  I guess.

 

You mean you didn't get the big hint from the title?

Obsessive_Compulsive #32 Posted 07 March 2019 - 09:03 AM

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How about I just projectile vomit onto a black canvass and then we all sit around and smell what my stats are?

Noo_Noo #33 Posted 07 March 2019 - 09:08 AM

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I got 3 :amazed: :(

Dr_Oolen #34 Posted 07 March 2019 - 09:16 AM

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Brb, gonna go pad the metric by waiting until next year. Kappa

facmanpob #35 Posted 07 March 2019 - 09:27 AM

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Some people need more maths in their lives :ohmy:

 

Bravo to the OP for making me smile on this blustery London morning :teethhappy:


Edited by facmanpob, 07 March 2019 - 09:28 AM.


8126Jakobsson #36 Posted 07 March 2019 - 10:24 AM

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View PostObsessive_Compulsive, on 07 March 2019 - 09:03 AM, said:

How about I just projectile vomit onto a black canvass and then we all sit around and smell what my stats are?

 

Cabbage with acid undertones. Nutty. A hint of decomposed freesia. 

A modern classic, in my humble opinion.  



jabster #37 Posted 07 March 2019 - 10:26 AM

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View Postevilchaosmonkey, on 06 March 2019 - 10:45 PM, said:

 

Sigh.....

Did you miss the fractions class at primary school by any chance?

 

When you know what the OP has done, you'll smile.....

 

It made me smile when I ‘got’ it.

_PanzerBitterbal_ #38 Posted 07 March 2019 - 10:40 AM

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View Post8126Jakobsson, on 06 March 2019 - 10:42 PM, said:

I get you, fwhaat'

 

 

 

 

 

The only 69 I could find had something to do with Kamasutra :hiding:

SaintMaddenus #39 Posted 07 March 2019 - 11:17 AM

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Well I have 069 on my kv3 already so I was ahead of the game :)   6969000000022380  I don't have the 4 after that 8 :)

Bora_BOOM #40 Posted 07 March 2019 - 12:35 PM

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- Hey, amateurs!

- Who, us?

- Yes, yes, come here?

- Why should we?

- If you want to troll this is the new meta. You gotta do it properly and you need some work and thought behind it.

- But, but.. How, what? I don’t get it!

- First learn to read: it’s not "what", it is "fwhaat". Second, it is the new stat to measure "your" stats. And the result is obviously higher than your intelligence quotient.

 

:trollface:







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