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Does the AMX 50B worth the grind?


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Humansland #1 Posted 13 March 2019 - 08:43 AM

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Heyya,

I am looking for your opinion of grinding the notorious amx 50 b. Would it worth the effort or should I just stop at the 50 100? I've seen the stats on tanks gg and checked some replays. I was not convinced, to say the least...

Obsessive_Compulsive #2 Posted 13 March 2019 - 08:47 AM

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it has amazing potential in the right hands, it is not very forgiving. right now with so many type 5's around the apcr is a down side for sure. others may have different opinions. I am grinding 50 120 right now and thats a little painful at times. if that helps.

DuncaN_101 #3 Posted 13 March 2019 - 08:55 AM

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I love the thing but I'm horrible in it.

The 50 100 and the 50 120 are also nice to play so the grind isn't too bad.

 

Edit: the type 5 can be a huge annoyance but this goes for every t8/9/10 really 


Edited by DuncaN_101, 13 March 2019 - 08:56 AM.


qpranger #4 Posted 13 March 2019 - 09:06 AM

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Choose T57 instead, it has some bouncy armor.

The_Georgian_One #5 Posted 13 March 2019 - 10:04 AM

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It's not a bad tank, but it's so out of current meta that it's not even funny.

Jauhesammutin #6 Posted 13 March 2019 - 10:21 AM

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View PostHumansland, on 13 March 2019 - 07:43 AM, said:

Heyya,

I am looking for your opinion of grinding the notorious amx 50 b. Would it worth the effort or should I just stop at the 50 100? I've seen the stats on tanks gg and checked some replays. I was not convinced, to say the least...

 

It's a good tank. 50 120 was painful. 

 

T57 Heavy is the brawling autoloader. It's slow but has some armor (it can really troll sometimes). The gun handling is poor, but it unloads and reloads fast. So basically you drive to the heavy flank and brawl there. It's not good for flanking or sniping. The gold shell is 340 HEAT so you can cut trough heavies like butter.

 

Kranvagn (before buff) is the wrost one. It has better mobility and gun handling than T57 but it's still not good. It has the longest reload and the longest intra-clip reload. It doesn't have the mobility and gun handling to stay with the mediums and it doesn't have the armor or DPM to stay with the heavies. The HEAT pen is only 300 so you might struggle with some tanks. It's basically a ridge line warrior. Find a good ridge and camp.

 

50B is the fastest and has the best gun handling. It's reload and intra-clip reload are in the middle, not the best but not painful. Thanks to it's mobility it can stay with the mediums and doesn't need to go to the heavy flank. 325 APCR is good for sniping and for close quarters. Armor is rubbish so HE/HESH will punish you.

 

I would say 50B is the best for carrying games, while T57 Heavy is the best for just rolling over the enemy. T57 reloads so fast that usually you can get 2 clips (3200dmg) even if the enemy just yoloes over you. 



humphrey10 #7 Posted 13 March 2019 - 11:16 PM

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I would probably say that it is the best of the Tier X heavy autoloaders, dunno if its just me not being able to work the T57 heavy with the garbage gun handling but the speed and gun on the Amx is very nice if played correctly.

The grind is pretty terrible, well from what i remembered, as the AMX 50 100 is sooooo out of meta and to an extent the amx 120 which i played before the buff. Tier 7 is utter trash but tier 5/6 are not too bad



wEight_Tanker #8 Posted 14 March 2019 - 02:04 PM

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I got the 50 100. Derpy gun. But has a better deal than the m4 45. Both are made out of paper but this one has an autoloader. Finished off an m4 51 before he could. Enough time to track, roll to the side and just shoot.

Hellfoxe #9 Posted 14 March 2019 - 02:15 PM

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View PostHumansland, on 13 March 2019 - 08:43 AM, said:

Heyya,

I am looking for your opinion of grinding the notorious amx 50 b. Would it worth the effort or should I just stop at the 50 100? I've seen the stats on tanks gg and checked some replays. I was not convinced, to say the least...

 

Before the type 5, obj 268 v4 and FV4005 it was worth to grind but now you can died fast enough because you turret wouldn't hold last if deal with autoloaders do.

pecopad #10 Posted 14 March 2019 - 02:42 PM

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Love autoloaders, but tier 9 is just a painful and expensive grind.  

 

Maybe when 50B is the top of the tree I'll do it.


Edited by pecopad, 14 March 2019 - 02:43 PM.


Shizuthink #11 Posted 14 March 2019 - 04:22 PM

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I like all 3 of them. 50 100, 50 120 and 50B that is but if I'd have to choose just one, I'd definitely pick the 50B. Such an awesome tank. On the other hand, I really dislike the T57 Heavy.

shikaka9 #12 Posted 14 March 2019 - 04:26 PM

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Yes it is worth, if you survive 50/100 and 50/120 grindcore :)

Dr_Oolen #13 Posted 14 March 2019 - 04:34 PM

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No. Even if you go full gold its still a useless tank these days. It wouldnt be bad if it didnt get insta rekt through turret for 2k within 5 seconds of getting spotted before it even gets to shoot the 2nd shot... :XD Alternatively you could just redline and never get spotted in the first place, but that kinda isnt the sort of playstyle one would hope to play 50B for...

 

The real issue is that these days all t10 revolves around camping in a hulldown spot, and 50b is pretty much the only t10 heavy that has no turret armor :XD Does it need to get turret armor? No, it doesnt, we just need overall less aids at T10, less aids maps that heavily favor hulldown play, and better balance so that all the hulldown tanks arent (even disregarding their turret armor/gun depression) straight up better in all other aspects than all the other tanks anyway. 


Edited by Dr_Oolen, 14 March 2019 - 04:40 PM.


tajj7 #14 Posted 14 March 2019 - 04:53 PM

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No its just not meta, it also tends to get matched up against actual heavy tanks, usually on corridor/city maps, hilarious when this happens as a tier 8 in a 3-5-7 and you basically have a Maus just pressing W to win whilst your 50B red line snipes. 

 

If you want a mobile autoloader get one of the meds, they do the same job, get matched against other meds and have the benefits of being a med (smaller, more agile, with better camo). 


Edited by tajj7, 14 March 2019 - 04:54 PM.


fwhaatpiraat #15 Posted 14 March 2019 - 06:18 PM

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View Posttajj7, on 14 March 2019 - 04:53 PM, said:

No its just not meta, it also tends to get matched up against actual heavy tanks, usually on corridor/city maps, hilarious when this happens as a tier 8 in a 3-5-7 and you basically have a Maus just pressing W to win whilst your 50B red line snipes. 

 

If you want a mobile autoloader get one of the meds, they do the same job, get matched against other meds and have the benefits of being a med (smaller, more agile, with better camo). 

Good one. Progetto seems the best 50b-replacement to me and adds mobility and autoreloader advantage.



Dr_Oolen #16 Posted 14 March 2019 - 06:40 PM

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View Posttajj7, on 14 March 2019 - 04:53 PM, said:

No its just not meta, it also tends to get matched up against actual heavy tanks, usually on corridor/city maps, hilarious when this happens as a tier 8 in a 3-5-7 and you basically have a Maus just pressing W to win whilst your 50B red line snipes. 

 

If you want a mobile autoloader get one of the meds, they do the same job, get matched against other meds and have the benefits of being a med (smaller, more agile, with better camo). 

 

View Postfwhaatpiraat, on 14 March 2019 - 06:18 PM, said:

Good one. Progetto seems the best 50b-replacement to me and adds mobility and autoreloader advantage.

 

Yeah, pretty much what you say. Theres no place for 50B as it has practically the same armor/HP/speed/gun like the autoloading mediums, except those autoloading mediums are much smaller, have much better camo and are way more maneuvrable and dont take the spot of a tank that one would expect to do the heavy pushing/lifting in a game.

 

I suppose 50B perfectly highlights the massive imbalance between heavies/tanks with armor and mediums/paper tanks. Because in itself 50B is a solid tank with good stats that wouldnt in any way suggest it should be bad. But it is bad because it is supposed to play the role of a heavy tank. Meanwhile meds with similar stats are average in terms of being T10 meds, but T10 meds arent even expected to do the heavy lifting and to contribute that much, so no one really cares about them not being competitive with all the stronk balanced heavies like supercanceror/5a/277/is7.

 

EDIT: so basically i guess the problem is that 50B is utterly crapat being a heavy tank and can only play the redline/support role, at which the similar mediums are better anyway while not hampering their team in terms of MM. So literally playing 50B these days pretty much means you leave your team with 1 less actual heavy tank compared to enemy team and with 1 more sub-par support tank.

 

That said i dont even really see how 50B (and the whole line tbh) could be rebalanced to make sense... i suppose best option would be if it was classed as a medium tank/TD in terms of MM so that it would actually get matched with tanks of same expected role (there arent enough of these around to be matched against each other). As buffing it to be a competitive heavy tank against wZ/277/is7s/conqueror would literally require massive turret armor buff (but then we just have a kranvagn, with, say, less gun depression and turret armor penetrable by 310+ heat, that in return gets better penetration/gun handling) or it would need obscene gun handling buffs/interclip reload buff so that it doesnt have to expose itself for as long. Something like dispersions of 0.1/0.1/0.06 instead of 0.18/0.18/0.1, 2.1 aimtime instead of 2.5 and 2 s interclip instead of 2.5 s. Alternatively I suppose a complete rethinking of the line - like just giving those heavies only 2 shots in a clip while giving them better overall dpm and slightly better gun handling 

 

So we would end up with something like:

- murrican autoloaders - some troll armor, average gun depression, very high dpm, fast burst, large clips, slow, bad gun handling, average alpha (id just change t69 and t54e1 into heavies and buff them a bit to more resemble t57. So on t54e1 some more armor and more penetration and more dpm while nerfing mobility and gun handling; same stuff for t69 while also changing alpha from 240 to 300.

- swedish autoloaders - (assuming their currently tested rebalance) - stronk turret armor, high gun depression, good dpm, slow burst, average clip, average speed, average gun handling, good alpha

- french autoloaders - no armor, above average gun depression, high dpm, medium speed burst, small clips, fast, good gun handling, average alpha. So, lets say, 50B would be changed like so: clip size 4 -> 2; reload 30 -> 15; dispersions 0.18/0.18/0.1 -> 0.14/0.14/0.08; aimtime 2.5 -> 2.3. Similar sort of rebalance for 50120 and 50100. But the question is whether large clips dont make more sense for paper tanks... but for sure they dont work on these tanks at this point at all. And with such small clips the tanks would have to expose themselves quite often aswell... but for much shorter period of time... I guess it could work better as the issue with those tanks now is that they never get to unload whole clip anyway unless they want to lose 90% of HP doing that.


Edited by Dr_Oolen, 14 March 2019 - 07:12 PM.


apaleytos #17 Posted 15 March 2019 - 08:13 PM

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50B is good players only tank,requires excellent positioning,awareness and skill to exploit enemy mistakes...

 

Here skill4ltu trying to 4mark(100%) his 50B on RU server having an amazing game.

 


Edited by apaleytos, 15 March 2019 - 08:14 PM.





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