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Two tank destroyers, one same gameplay? Time to bust this myth!

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[BSHDBCG]

So basically the Kanonen Jadg Panzer seems to do a better job. 

[eekeeboo]

BSHDBCG, on 13 March 2019 - 11:09 AM, said:

So basically the Kanonen Jadg Panzer seems to do a better job. 

 

​Depends on how you like to play your TD 

[Aurendil]

So the whole purpose of this comparison article is to show CdA whiners out there that their tank is not so bad after all...

[Cobra6]

Both are outclassed by the Skorpion, SU-130 and Charioteer since they don't have a turret and are thus artificially handicapped in World of Corridors and World of Snapshots.

 

Honestly I'd not spend money on a static-gun TD in WoT at the moment unless it's the E-25, you are just limiting your potential too much.

 

Edit: Type corrected, thanks Turtle!

 

Cobra 6

Edited by Cobra6, 13 March 2019 - 04:53 PM.

[Jumping_Turtle]

Cobra6, on 13 March 2019 - 12:45 PM, said:

Both are outclassed by the Scorpion

 

The one with the K you mean I hope.

[eekeeboo]

Aurendil, on 13 March 2019 - 11:42 AM, said:

So the whole purpose of this comparison article is to show CdA whiners out there that their tank is not so bad after all...

 

It's to help provide a comparison that maybe some content creators will do but maybe not everyone goes to search and look for the comparisons. 

 

Cobra6, on 13 March 2019 - 11:45 AM, said:

Both are outclassed by the Scorpion, SU-130 and Charioteer since they don't have a turret and are thus artificially handicapped in World of Corridors and World of Snapshots.

 

Honestly I'd not spend money on a static-gun TD in WoT at the moment unless it's the E-25, you are just limiting your potential too much.

 

Cobra 6

 

Some people also like to kemp bush and farm corridor damage. 

[Cro006]

Well, you can kemp bush in SU 130 and train crews for better TDs in SU and Skorpion so... French TD's never looked interesting to me. What I'd like to see is turreted Soviet TDs, I looove them turrets

[LordSkyFury]

IF I had to choose from those 2 TDs, I would pick Scorpion G.

[PipeHugger]

So the AMX has 7.5 hp/tonne advantage in PTW and yet its hull traverse is much, much worse. Seems a bit weird.

[CyberRage]

Wheeled vehicles made turretless TDs even more useless, only the most OP ones still see any play. The fact that a turreted TD ( Skorpion G ) has a better gun than all tier 8 turretless TDs is a joke.

[Laatikkomafia]

eekeeboo, on 13 March 2019 - 01:50 PM, said:

 

It's to help provide a comparison that maybe some content creators will do but maybe not everyone goes to search and look for the comparisons. 

 

 

Some people also like to kemp bush and farm corridor damage. 

 

The Skorpion (G) and SU130 do that better as well. The tanks have a turret, higher alpha AND higher DPM.

[Cobra6]

eekeeboo, on 13 March 2019 - 11:50 AM, said:

 

Some people also like to kemp bush and farm corridor damage. 

 

Shame that WG has been progressively removing all the good bushes from all maps though XD

 

Cobra 6

[eekeeboo]

Laatikkomafia, on 13 March 2019 - 03:28 PM, said:

 

The Skorpion (G) and SU130 do that better as well. The tanks have a turret, higher alpha AND higher DPM.

 

But significantly worse armour and ability to be open top surprised by artillery! 

 

Cobra6, on 13 March 2019 - 03:53 PM, said:

 

Shame that WG has been progressively removing all the good bushes from all maps though XD

 

Cobra 6

 

Never let that stop you! Knock down all the bushes and make your very own personalised bush! 

 

 

 

[Laatikkomafia]

eekeeboo, on 13 March 2019 - 06:07 PM, said:

 

But significantly worse armour and ability to be open top surprised by artillery! 

 

 

Never let that stop you! Knock down all the bushes and make your very own personalised bush! 

 

 

 

 

Let's be real here.

 

The only upsides the AMX has over Skorpion are: One degree more gun depression, admittedly more gun elevation and higher standard ammo shell velocity.

 

Yes, the AMX has more armor. But it also has less HP and less trading potential due to the lower alpha.

The AMX has 5mm more top hull armor than the Skorpion. 15mm isn't enough to stop any clicker shells.

[eekeeboo]

Laatikkomafia, on 13 March 2019 - 05:16 PM, said:

 

Let's be real here.

 

The only upsides the AMX has over Skorpion are: One degree more gun depression, admittedly more gun elevation and higher standard ammo shell velocity.

 

Yes, the AMX has more armor. But it also has less HP and less trading potential due to the lower alpha.

The AMX has 5mm more top hull armor than the Skorpion. 15mm isn't enough to stop any clicker shells.

 

It's also more suited to people who aren't so great at knowing spotting and camo ratings. It's able to to play a little more aggressively in the hands of someone who perhaps doesn't have the best judgement on timing. 

[Desyatnik_Pansy]

eekeeboo, on 13 March 2019 - 05:54 PM, said:

It's also more suited to people who aren't so great at knowing spotting and camo ratings. It's able to to play a little more aggressively in the hands of someone who perhaps doesn't have the best judgement on timing. 

 

I disagree and would say the Skorpion is still stronger in that regard just based on a turret and more alpha. 

[eekeeboo]

Desyatnik_Pansy, on 13 March 2019 - 06:05 PM, said:

 

I disagree and would say the Skorpion is still stronger in that regard just based on a turret and more alpha. 

 

​That's true for people who know when and how to push without taking giant HE rounds to the face for choosing the wrong time to do it  

[clickfingers]

they are both good, the jagdpanzer is quite fast, on flat ground it can easy go speeds up to 70 k/m, the only thing is you have to be even more careful with it not to get caught out in the open, the french td is good also, but sometimes they feel as is they come up short, in the dpm department, and the reload is there for a bit long, in comparison to the damage output, versus the scorpion, and the su-130pm.

 

and yes as mentioned before, the amount of usable positions is lacking, with all the dips, and corridors in open fields, and therefor long range shots are often not possible, sometimes not until they are untop of your position,

as for the amount of bushes, sometimes there is a good position, but there is only one tiny spot to hide behind, making it for the enemy quite obvious, where the damaging shot came from, all they have to do is blind fire that tiny spot,

where you are hiding behind, and nullify your existense as a turretless td.

Edited by clickfingers, 13 March 2019 - 07:15 PM.

[Desyatnik_Pansy]

eekeeboo, on 13 March 2019 - 06:08 PM, said:

​That's true for people who know when and how to push without taking giant HE rounds to the face for choosing the wrong time to do it  

 

Comparably, the AMX CDA Pushes around, fires once, gets tracked on the retreat and from then on can't do anything because he's a turretless TD, while the Skorp is still a threat because he has a turret and 490 Alpha is a lot more threatening than most tanks firing HE At him. I say this as someone who greatly enjoyed and 3 Marked my CDA, the Skorp is definitely way stronger for someone who isn't well-versed in camouflage and whatnot just because of a meatier boomstick and the turret.