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sasa_milic #1 Posted 17 March 2019 - 12:26 AM

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I don't know what I'm doing wrong, it's like my AMX 1390 is cursed.

 

I have 54% winrate with BC12t and 2 gun marks.

With AMX 1390, 41% winrate.

 

Female crew in both (3rd skill close to 100%, fully researched, same equipment (vStab, Optics, Binocs).

 

Yet, 1390 is totally useless. Looking at xvm stats at the beginning I would say that 1390 gets much much worse teams in every f***ing battle...

 



Balc0ra #2 Posted 17 March 2019 - 12:33 AM

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Well you simply found a cursed tank. We all get one now and then.

 

Personally, I love the 13 90. As it's my most played light. Tho I got it when it was a tier 8. I loved it more as a tier 9. As the faster reload, lower clip size and more pen made it more versatile for my style. It's a great passive and active spotter. And hit and run bully tank. Tho I have a 5 skilled crew on mine. I run a hybrid setup for both spotting styles. 



qpranger #3 Posted 17 March 2019 - 12:40 AM

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There is no such thing as a cursed tank, it is Wargaming shamelessly adjusting your global win rate via a particular tank. Try the same tank on another account and it will be totally different.



barison1 #4 Posted 17 March 2019 - 12:45 AM

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1390 is real good tho, good clip potential with fast reload, pretty smal with good camo and mobile

Edited by barison1, 17 March 2019 - 12:45 AM.


apaleytos #5 Posted 17 March 2019 - 12:47 AM

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I played only few battles with the "reformed" 1390 and it looked really solid.Im bad LT player and used it mostly to do scout missions.

i see that you have only 818 avrg dmg with it so obvioulsy cant play it well.

 

You seem to like that M40/M43 :trollface: 

 


Edited by apaleytos, 17 March 2019 - 12:48 AM.


CyberRage #6 Posted 17 March 2019 - 01:31 AM

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Probably because you switch to the tank when having a win streak. The MM greatly influences your chance of winning.

XxKuzkina_MatxX #7 Posted 17 March 2019 - 07:03 AM

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You played the 12t five times the battles you played in the 13 90 so give it time and the win rate might stabilize around a better value. Also you need to do more damage in the 13 90 to have better chances of winning, set yourself a target at 1.5k damage for example.

BR33K1_PAWAH #8 Posted 17 March 2019 - 07:13 AM

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View Postqpranger, on 17 March 2019 - 02:40 AM, said:

There is no such thing as a cursed tank, it is Wargaming shamelessly adjusting your global win rate via a particular tank. Try the same tank on another account and it will be totally different.

 

Jokes aside, bc12t on this account:

 

and on my old one:

 

Getting too old for this gaming sh1t :(



shane73tank #9 Posted 17 March 2019 - 08:54 AM

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If your a leverage damage is < 1 clip then you are playing it wrong,  play it like you play the 12t, live longer and pump out late game damage , it’s an awesome tank 

TankkiPoju #10 Posted 17 March 2019 - 09:09 AM

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View PostBR33K1_PAWAH, on 17 March 2019 - 07:13 AM, said:

 

Jokes aside, bc12t on this account:

 

and on my old one:

 

Getting too old for this gaming sh1t :(

 

You probably played old account B-C 12t before the current 3-5-7 MM. It's way harder now to actually carry games in a tier 8 light tank.

BR33K1_PAWAH #11 Posted 17 March 2019 - 09:15 AM

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View PostTankkiPoju, on 17 March 2019 - 11:09 AM, said:

 

You probably played old account B-C 12t before the current 3-5-7 MM. It's way harder now to actually carry games in a tier 8 light tank.

 

If my memory serves me well 3/5/7 came in the same patch as bc12t - 9.18. But you are right, it was better for tier 8 back then, before WG made their tweaks to MM.

sasa_milic #12 Posted 17 March 2019 - 09:20 AM

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View Postshane73tank, on 17 March 2019 - 08:54 AM, said:

If your a leverage damage is < 1 clip then you are playing it wrong,  play it like you play the 12t, live longer and pump out late game damage , it’s an awesome tank 

 

But I am playing it the same way as BC12t, it just cannot survive long enough due to extremely bad teams it gets every time...

 



PowJay #13 Posted 17 March 2019 - 09:22 AM

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I'm on a phone at the moment so can't bring up full stats. AMX 13 90 is my most-played vehicle with over 400 battles more than any other. The only reason for this is Campaign missions. It's my most capable LT and at tier IX it has the highest potential for available HP on the enemy team.

 

I've never really had a positive win rate in it, but I'm currently at 48.94% off 1136 battles. That's 556 wins and 580 losses. It's not a huge deficit, that I could make up easily if I could get to grips with it properly. 

 

My comment relates to the damage: not quite 746HP/battle. I don't seem to be able to get assist damage listed on WoT-Life mobile or the WoT Assistant app, so I can't give an opinion on that, but I completed LT-15 3 with Honours the other day (7K HP gun/assist damage) and only 450 of that was gun damage. 6950 HP was assist, with four kills coming off the back of my spotting. 

 

The problem is that you can't make a difference by spotting alone. If your allies are tools, are shooting something else, or you're not even in the right place for maximum benefit, then you won't make a significant difference while scouting.

 

This might not apply to the OP, who can handle the tier VIII, but it's just my thoughts on gun damage vs spotting damage in LTs these days.

 

First off: you have to be versatile. Secondly, tier IX does seem to be the second tier (after X) where you just can't afford to be average and expect to win. 

 

Some of the worst player stats I've seen come at tier X (35% win rates after a few hundred battles) but the tier IX win rates are often not much better despite widespread, say, 48% to 52% win rates in lower tiers.

 

The responsibility at tier IX isn't quite so much as X, but more than VIII. 

 

Just my two pence, and, as I said: without my spotting HP figures to interpret .

 

Edit.... Totally forgot that the 13 90 moved up a tier. I'm not sure if I'm doing better or worse in it at IX!

 

 


Edited by PowJay, 17 March 2019 - 10:45 AM.


shane73tank #14 Posted 17 March 2019 - 09:26 AM

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View Postsasa_milic, on 17 March 2019 - 08:20 AM, said:

 

But I am playing it the same way as BC12t, it just cannot survive long enough due to extremely bad teams it gets every time...

 

 

in the past people have uploaded 5 replays and then some good souls have passed on some decent advice- give it a go

shikaka9 #15 Posted 17 March 2019 - 09:26 AM

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View Postsasa_milic, on 16 March 2019 - 11:26 PM, said:

 

Female crew

 

 

This? :trollface:



Cobra6 #16 Posted 17 March 2019 - 10:35 AM

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I do very well in the Bc12t yet my winratio is very low in it.... It's just random teams in that one.

 

When the 13 90 was tier 8 I did quite badly in it but then when it went to tier 9 I suddenly did a lot better as it finally received it's long overdue buffs to make it competitive.

 

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AliceUnchained #17 Posted 17 March 2019 - 10:35 AM

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View Postsasa_milic, on 17 March 2019 - 12:26 AM, said:

Yet, 1390 is totally useless. Looking at xvm stats at the beginning I would say that 1390 gets much much worse teams in every f***ing battle...

 

There's your problem.

 

View Postsasa_milic, on 17 March 2019 - 09:20 AM, said:

But I am playing it the same way as BC12t, it just cannot survive long enough due to extremely bad teams it gets every time...

 

And once more. Stop looking at XVM numbers, and stop blaming others. Perhaps then you'll learn something.



TheDrownedApe #18 Posted 17 March 2019 - 11:15 AM

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The 1390 got way better with the changes. 

 

Before averaged 1232 damage @55% 

After 1876 @ 58%






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