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X_Warlock_X #1 Posted 17 March 2019 - 04:28 AM

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Progression tanks should be better than Premium tanks.

 

The very basic main WRONG Thing that i have found with this game , is Progression tanks are not as better as Premium tanks.

Premium tanks should have had only the ability to make more credits & xp.

or while Only some Premium tanks should be made better than Progression.

 

i mean WG you have made most of the tier 8 Progressions to be almost worthless to grind for , compared to Premium counterparts.

 

i mean why a Premium tank should be better than Progression , just cuz you want make some money.

 

1) 112 & WZ 111 better than 110

2) Lt-432 better than LTTB

3) Lorraine 40 t better than AMX 50 100
4 ) AMX M4 mle. 49 better than AMX 65 t
5) WZ-120-1G FT better than WZ-111-1G FT
6) leKpz M 41 90 mm , HWK 30 better than HWK 12
7) Rheinmetall Skorpion better than Rhm.-Borsig
8) T26E5, T34 better than T32
9) Object 252U Defender , IS-3A better than IS-3
10) 50 Tp better than 53 Tp

etc..etc..

 

Now i may be wrong , and not entirely correct.

But so far i have noticed that most of Premiums are better than Progressions in some or other aspects.

 



Balc0ra #2 Posted 17 March 2019 - 06:16 AM

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View PostX_Warlock_X, on 17 March 2019 - 04:28 AM, said:

The very basic main WRONG Thing that i have found with this game , is Progression tanks are not as better as Premium tanks.

Premium tanks should have had only the ability to make more credits & xp.

or while Only some Premium tanks should be made better than Progression.

 

Thing is that... there is no nerfing them now at this point, as you clearly did see what did happen when they wanted to change the KV-5. And we did see what did happen when they nerfed the T26E4. And even if they sell new premiums that are weaker. People will still buy the old, as the new is worthless. And buffing the normal tanks to be better? Well that works even less. As you don't want the IS-3 to be a Defender on steroids to name one.

 

View PostX_Warlock_X, on 17 March 2019 - 04:28 AM, said:

1) 112 & WZ 111 better than 110

 

I don't recall anyone saying they sold their 110 because they have the WZ-111. Only thing that saves that tank is the 250 HEAT pen, as that 186 AP pen is not doing you good vs the the other tier 8 prem HT's on this list to make it better. I still loved the lower alpha and faster higher pen reload on my 110.

 

View PostX_Warlock_X, on 17 March 2019 - 04:28 AM, said:

3) Lorraine 40 t better than AMX 50 100

 

 I still fear the 50 100 when he is loaded more so then the Lorr. As a faster reload and medium mobility don't make it better as such always. As the 50 100 can clip the Lorr. Lorr can't even clip most tier 8's.

 

View PostX_Warlock_X, on 17 March 2019 - 04:28 AM, said:

4 ) AMX M4 mle. 49 better than AMX 65 t

 

Yeah well... even if they nerfed the M4 mle into the ground, it would still be better. 

 

View PostX_Warlock_X, on 17 March 2019 - 04:28 AM, said:

6) leKpz M 41 90 mm , HWK 30 better than HWK 12

 

Thing to keep in mind here is pre nerf LT changes. 

 

View PostX_Warlock_X, on 17 March 2019 - 04:28 AM, said:

8) T34 better than T32

 

I'm gonna say no. It has armor and the highest pen gun of any tier 8 HT. But it lacks in everything else to be useful in the current meta. T32 suffers diffently. But  T34 is arguably the worst tier 8 premium I own after the CDC. And the one I play the least. I've looked at my WZ-111 more then I did that thing of late. And I don't even play that.



tank276 #3 Posted 17 March 2019 - 09:12 AM

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i mean why a Premium tank should be better than Progression

 

YOUR QUESTION

 

just cuz you want make some money.

 

YOUR ANSWER (its true)

 

 

 



Jigabachi #4 Posted 17 March 2019 - 09:18 AM

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That's how it once was. Premium tanks were slightly worse or at the level of the techtree tanks. Some premium tanks had their strongpoints and advantages, but most of them were still balanced.
But that all changed when the fire greed nation attacked...

Edited by Jigabachi, 17 March 2019 - 09:20 AM.


Zenopop #5 Posted 17 March 2019 - 09:43 AM

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times change in todays fast age I cant see any reason why people would spend real money on a weak Premium tank - and they have to be unique - apart from that its all about them making real money

tajj7 #6 Posted 17 March 2019 - 10:27 AM

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No they should be about the same level and premiums should not be tied to bad tech tree tanks, they should be balanced to the tier.

 

There is IMO little point in a non-competitive premium, a bad tech tree tank you can grind through and never play again. A bad premium is just pointless. 



Xqual #7 Posted 17 March 2019 - 10:34 AM

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the old tier8 prems like is6, wz-111, 112 were all slightly worse than any other tier8 heavy.

Now all them tanks are more or less obsolete. 110 is a great tank, it will roll over them 3 tanks laugh move on and kill the next.
But that are from the old days. When premium tanks should NOT be superiour to elitetanks.

Things have changed since then you know.

Now all new premium tanks have to be superiour to anything you can reseach.


 



Laatikkomafia #8 Posted 17 March 2019 - 10:45 AM

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I do understand it is almost impossible for the tanks of same tier to be 100% equally good. But having premium tanks that are flat out superior than their corresponding tech tree tanks will be the end of WoT in the long run.

 

In the end, tech tree is what keeps people playing. With no proper ranked system or any kind of proper achievements (apart from the campaign missions), unlocking new tanks is the main progress one can make in WoT. Now, if you can actively pay to get better tanks than in the tech tree can offer, why bother grinding lines anymore? Especially when only a few tier 10s are actually viable.

 

Currently it is not uncommon to have tier 8 matches where all tier 8s are premium tanks. Why would anyone drive the T32 over Patriot, IS-3 over Defender / IS-3A, HWK 12 over HWK 30 or even the VK45A / Tiger II over Mauerbrecher?

 

I never thought I'd say this, but I want SerB back.

 

 



UserZer00 #9 Posted 17 March 2019 - 10:46 AM

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View Posttajj7, on 17 March 2019 - 10:27 AM, said:

No they should be about the same level and premiums should not be tied to bad tech tree tanks, they should be balanced to the tier.

 

There is IMO little point in a non-competitive premium, a bad tech tree tank you can grind through and never play again. A bad premium is just pointless. 

I think there should be two types of premiums:

  1) (slightly) OPed

  2) Credit / crew skill grinding

 

The slightly OPed one are there to give wallet warriors a way to avoid grinding a tank line to get the tank they want and allow them direct access to the "end grind" of a certain tank line.

 

The grinding premiums would be the "classic" premiums, slightly worse than the normal tech tree tank, but with increase in credit and crew skill grinding.

 

To avoid the "pay to win" complaints it would also be great if you could grind "premium" benefits for tech tree tanks.  Maybe add a certain amount of experience required after a tank is elited to unlock extra credit earning and another amount for additional crew experience. They could even make it possible to grind for increased free experience, etc.

 



undutchable80 #10 Posted 17 March 2019 - 10:53 AM

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Create an EU3 server for only premium tanks. Leaves EU1 and 2 for regular tech tree tanks only. 

PayMore #11 Posted 17 March 2019 - 11:33 AM

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Does the salvatution army serve better meals than gordon ramsey?

vixu #12 Posted 17 March 2019 - 11:39 AM

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you cannot expect premium tanks to be worse then all progression tanks. They should not be better, though.




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